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Old 05-14-2021, 04:45 AM   #876
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The longer this goes on, the worse its going to get. Just had a value modern sub check in today,, and as it now stands i won't see it until next February, but that doesn't account for the exponentially increasing subs recieved in the last 8 months. I'm extremely upset at how PSA handled themselves through 2020 and the first 2 months of 2021. I definitely would have done things differently knowing the actual state that they were in with turnaround times. PSA was fairly deceptive in my eyes with submissions pre CTD dates, and we're all paying for their inability or unwillingness to live in the real world. What they did in March and April was the only way that they could try and regain some semblance of expedience to try and (IMO) not get sued by all of us. It's not working...
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Old 05-14-2021, 05:27 AM   #877
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Old 05-14-2021, 08:47 AM   #878
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Just received my most recent PSA sub results. I’m typically a 85%+ Gem Mint rate for the past few years. But I was 33% on this most recent sub. Worst sub I’ve ever had, by far. And I remember spending twice the amount of time looking over this 15 card sub, than what I normally spend. Just sayin!


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Old 05-14-2021, 08:52 AM   #879
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The longer this goes on, the worse its going to get. Just had a value modern sub check in today,, and as it now stands i won't see it until next February, but that doesn't account for the exponentially increasing subs recieved in the last 8 months. I'm extremely upset at how PSA handled themselves through 2020 and the first 2 months of 2021. I definitely would have done things differently knowing the actual state that they were in with turnaround times. PSA was fairly deceptive in my eyes with submissions pre CTD dates, and we're all paying for their inability or unwillingness to live in the real world. What they did in March and April was the only way that they could try and regain some semblance of expedience to try and (IMO) not get sued by all of us. It's not working...

Sued for what?!

Out of curiosity, how would you have handled it better?

The situation that took place during the pandemic last year was unprecedented; and they have pivoted as well as they could have considering the situation.

If you’re so unhappy with PSA, consider trying out BGS or SGC?


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Old 05-14-2021, 08:54 AM   #880
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Value Ultra Modern may come to a screeching halt soon. Not that it’s moving rapidly now but I have one that was checked in on 9/11 and is still in research. I had hoped that by the time we got 3-4 days from the CTD hitting that date it would have moved to grading but no such luck.
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Old 05-14-2021, 09:19 AM   #881
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Just received my most recent PSA sub results. I’m typically a 85%+ Gem Mint rate for the past few years. But I was 33% on this most recent sub. Worst sub I’ve ever had, by far. And I remember spending twice the amount of time looking over this 15 card sub, than what I normally spend. Just sayin!


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Old 05-14-2021, 07:51 PM   #882
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Just received my most recent PSA sub results. I’m typically a 85%+ Gem Mint rate for the past few years. But I was 33% on this most recent sub. Worst sub I’ve ever had, by far. And I remember spending twice the amount of time looking over this 15 card sub, than what I normally spend. Just sayin!


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Old 05-15-2021, 07:52 AM   #883
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Old 05-15-2021, 02:00 PM   #884
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The chances of them opening up submissions in 6 weeks is a joke...
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Old 05-15-2021, 02:24 PM   #885
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The chances of them opening up submissions in 6 weeks is a joke...
I would have thought by now we would have seen more movement on the CTD but was told they have close to 2 years worth of grading in house currently, with their present grading staff, if they took no other submissions.

However I have heard they have still been taking submissions from the larger auction houses...and not at $300 or more per card either. Not sure if that is accurate or not but would not shock me with the way PSA does things.

All the major houses seem to have an endless supply of graded material and quite sure it is not recycled material.
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Old 05-16-2021, 11:42 PM   #886
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I would have thought by now we would have seen more movement on the CTD but was told they have close to 2 years worth of grading in house currently, with their present grading staff, if they took no other submissions.

However I have heard they have still been taking submissions from the larger auction houses...and not at $300 or more per card either. Not sure if that is accurate or not but would not shock me with the way PSA does things.

All the major houses seem to have an endless supply of graded material and quite sure it is not recycled material.
Point 1 - probably overstated but definitely in that 12 - 18 month range based on the breadcrumbs that are out there to put the pieces together.

Point 2 - I highly doubt that. That would be a huge breach of the social contract they are trying to make with new management.

Point 3 - Don't trust the large auction houses. I make it a point to never buy from them. It is probably more likely they have shill bidders out there who win and they are relisting.
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Old 05-17-2021, 06:47 AM   #887
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Yikes. Many levels declining by 6-7 days... in one week's time.

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Old 05-17-2021, 09:49 AM   #888
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Yikes. Many levels declining by 6-7 days... in one week's time.
Almost every level is now at all-time longest wait time - and you have to think that it keeps getting worse from here.
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Old 05-17-2021, 10:42 AM   #889
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I know things aren't looking great, but as of today every single one of my orders has been checked in. I sent 2 orders out the day of them shutting out Regular, express, etc. So those show as...
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Old 05-17-2021, 11:53 AM   #890
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Point 1 - probably overstated but definitely in that 12 - 18 month range based on the breadcrumbs that are out there to put the pieces together.

Point 2 - I highly doubt that. That would be a huge breach of the social contract they are trying to make with new management.

Point 3 - Don't trust the large auction houses. I make it a point to never buy from them. It is probably more likely they have shill bidders out there who win and they are relisting.
To point 1 the info I have came from someone inside PSA.

To point 2 & 3 doubt what you like but I do follow all of the auction houses there are lots of freshly graded cards that they did not pay $300 per card to grade. Kind of hard to take you seriously if you are actually suggesting everything presently being auctioned is a relist.
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Old 05-17-2021, 12:06 PM   #891
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The chances of them opening up submissions in 6 weeks is a joke...
Unless they open another spot and start having submissions shipped there and essentially starting fresh from
Day one while keeping current location still working on cards already in. And once location 1 is caught up start splitting all locations so one doesn’t get overwhelmed Which for a billion dollar company doesn’t seem like a far fetched idea. But then again what do I know lol
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Curious, what were the cards? Ultra Modern?
Modern. Pack pulled by me and subbed in the same week.

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Almost every level is now at all-time longest wait time - and you have to think that it keeps getting worse from here.
It 1000% will get worse. A-LOT worse! As many of us have said, we've not seen bad yet. They've not touched the massive bulk that was sent Dec-March. If Aug-Oct subs are slow, imagine how slow the top of the year subs will be.
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Old 05-17-2021, 01:03 PM   #893
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A lot of 2021 bulk submissions won’t be returned until mid-2022 or later, and if current inflation stays where it is then it’s a precursor to a possible recession next year, if that happens I can’t imagine the # of subs that will go unpaid either because they can no longer afford it or the cards have dropped in value so much it’s not worth it.
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:04 PM   #894
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I would have thought by now we would have seen more movement on the CTD but was told they have close to 2 years worth of grading in house currently, with their present grading staff, if they took no other submissions.

However I have heard they have still been taking submissions from the larger auction houses...and not at $300 or more per card either. Not sure if that is accurate or not but would not shock me with the way PSA does things.

All the major houses seem to have an endless supply of graded material and quite sure it is not recycled material.
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To point 1 the info I have came from someone inside PSA.

To point 2 & 3 doubt what you like but I do follow all of the auction houses there are lots of freshly graded cards that they did not pay $300 per card to grade. Kind of hard to take you seriously if you are actually suggesting everything presently being auctioned is a relist.
wait... do you think auction houses are grading / subbing / listing their own cards? you know they are auctioning off stuff submit by people right?
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:40 PM   #895
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A lot of 2021 bulk submissions won’t be returned until mid-2022 or later, and if current inflation stays where it is then it’s a precursor to a possible recession next year, if that happens I can’t imagine the # of subs that will go unpaid either because they can no longer afford it or the cards have dropped in value so much it’s not worth it.
Would not surprise me to see the very last bulk orders submitted s few months ago being delayed until 2023
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Old 05-17-2021, 03:18 PM   #896
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Doom & Gloom have taken over...

We all knew what we were getting in to. I have 8 orders in, over 200 cards. It will be a joy any time I get a sub back. I'm not sweating a thing
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Old 05-17-2021, 04:03 PM   #897
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if you cant make money on what you subbed at $10 then we are in an absolute catastrophe or thats their own fault for subbing creased Philip Evans rookies
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if you cant make money on what you subbed at $10 then we are in an absolute catastrophe or thats their own fault for subbing creased Philip Evans rookies
This! I am waiting on cards submitted at the $25 mark and I will make lots of money on those. All of my express are complete and will make money on those. My super express (2) are complete and lots of money will be made on those. I am not expecting all of my subs they have to be complete until September/October. By then I will have a clear strategy for my 500 plus cards that are grade worthy.

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Old 05-17-2021, 08:59 PM   #899
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wait... do you think auction houses are grading / subbing / listing their own cards? you know they are auctioning off stuff submit by people right?
Wait...That's a joke, right? It is no secret...Ask any of the major auction houses...maybe any of the auction houses and ask them if they submit cards for consignors. If any of them tells you they do not send in consignor's cards PM me your paypal email addy and I will send you a huge gift.

People really should not post when they really have no idea the way the hobby works.

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Wait...That's a joke, right? It is no secret...Ask any of the major auction houses...maybe any of the auction houses and ask them if they submit cards for consignors. If any of them tells you they do not send in consignor's cards PM me your paypal email addy and I will send you a huge gift.

People really should not post when they really have no idea the way the hobby works.

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