Nolan Arenado Thread - Page 5

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

The quoted post is that Arenado is essentially in the HOF... right now.

He's not in "right now".

If he can see another 6-8 years of .275-.280 / 25-35 / 80-120, he'd be in on offense alone.

If he can see another 3-4 GG's, he's in on defense alone.

corockies · 05-10-2021, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

He's not in "right now".

If he can see another 6-8 years of .275-.280 / 25-35 / 80-120, he'd be in on offense alone.

If he can see another 3-4 GG's, he's in on defense alone.

Arenado is already tied 3rd all time with Scott Rolen for GG as a 3B. Only Mike Schmidt and Brooks Robinson are ahead of him. Defense accolades alone will give him the HoF nod well before any offensive stats do.

rman112 · 05-10-2021, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by corockies

Arenado is already tied 3rd all time with Scott Rolen for GG as a 3B. Only Mike Schmidt and Brooks Robinson are ahead of him. Defense accolades alone will give him the HoF nod well before any offensive stats do.

So here's what I'm struggling with. Why does his WAR not reflect this? Is his defense not as good as his gold gloves show, or is it his offense?

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

So here's what I'm struggling with. Why does his WAR not reflect this? Is his defense not as good as his gold gloves show, or is it his offense?

The weird part is that his offensive numbers aren't too shabby.

Does WAR have a park differential factor built in? If so, maybe that's deflating his offensive stats due to Coors Field?

BBases31 · 05-10-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

The weird part is that his offensive numbers aren't too shabby.

Does WAR have a park differential factor built in? If so, maybe that's deflating his offensive stats due to Coors Field?

Yes WAR is park-weighted. His wOBA is reduced to what it would be in a league average park

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

Yes WAR is park-weighted. His wOBA is reduced to what it would be in a league average park

Good to know. That is definitely "deflating" his WAR on the offensive side. I say "deflating" loosely as his numbers are good, but I can see how WAR would limit the effect due to the park.

texmcpherson · 05-10-2021, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

I think he's going to need a few years of hitting well as a Cardinal. The fact that all of his offense has come as a Rockie hurts right now, whether fair or not. He needs to show that he is a legitimate hitter, especially with how extreme his Rockies splits are.

Seems like he’s on a good path. If he can keep pace with this small sample size on top of defense it’s definitely a good sign.

dbpsooner · 05-10-2021, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

So here's what I'm struggling with. Why does his WAR not reflect this? Is his defense not as good as his gold gloves show, or is it his offense?

His WAR does reflect his superior defense. He is already top 100 all time dWAR using BR and yet is only 30. He is slightly ahead of where Brooks Robinson was through his age 29 season. Granted Robinson was phenomenal defensively at age 30 plus.

As for park factors, the Coors park factors crushes a player's WAR. Yes it should factor, but you could argue it is weighted too heavily against Rockies players. Getting out of Colorado will only help him in my opinion, but time will tell one way or the other.

cloakroom · 05-10-2021, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedMachine80

Uhhh....nah, no way. Machado is universally disliked for being a dirty player, on top of being inferior on defense. And nothing he does offensively separates him from Nolan. Cardinals aren't exactly a small fanbase, and now with him being in a more visible market on a competing team, he should get a bump before season end.

the overcompensating on Nolan's defense in this thread is hilarious. it's his first year out of Coors and his numbers and WAR are not as good as Machado's. the new blood in the hobby doesn't care about his previous actions, or at the very least not as much as the boomer forums who act as if he's Hitler. Better stats, better age, better fanbase/team. Nolan will look great in the hall of very good. You'd be better off arguing if Kris Bryant is better or not.

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cloakroom

the overcompensating on Nolan's defense in this thread is hilarious. it's his first year out of Coors and his numbers and WAR are not as good as Machado's. the new blood in the hobby doesn't care about his previous actions, or at the very least not as much as the boomer forums who act as if he's Hitler. Better stats, better age, better fanbase/team. Nolan will look great in the hall of very good.

You're making a case for Machado? Really guy?

And are you really arguing that the Padres have a better fanbase than the Cards?

cloakroom · 05-10-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by corockies

Arenado is already tied 3rd all time with Scott Rolen for GG as a 3B. Only Mike Schmidt and Brooks Robinson are ahead of him. Defense accolades alone will give him the HoF nod well before any offensive stats do.

just so you know, that's not how that works.

BigRedMachine80 · 05-10-2021, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cloakroom

the overcompensating on Nolan's defense in this thread is hilarious. it's his first year out of Coors and his numbers and WAR are not as good as Machado's. the new blood in the hobby doesn't care about his previous actions, or at the very least not as much as the boomer forums who act as if he's Hitler. Better stats, better age, better fanbase/team. Nolan will look great in the hall of very good. You'd be better off arguing if Kris Bryant is better or not.

You must be a padres fan, lol. We're not even a quarter of the way through the season and you're trying to scoreboard on his "out of coors" numbers. You must be new if you think he's not legit because of coors. Guess you've never heard of the coors hangover despite every team suffering from it after a series there. Besides, what is it about Manny's .228 BA this season that makes you think he's setting the MLB on fire this year? Arenado is out playing him outside of Coors. I mean, Manny hanging out near the mendoza line is not helping your argument.

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedMachine80

You must be a padres fan, lol. We're not even a quarter of the way through the season and you're trying to scoreboard on his "out of coors" numbers. You must be new if you think he's not legit because of coors. Guess you've never heard of the coors hangover despite every team suffering from it after a series there. Besides, what is it about Manny's .228 BA this season that makes you think he's setting the MLB on fire this year? Arenado is out playing him outside of Coors. I mean, Manny hanging out near the mendoza line is not helping your argument.

I think he should just go ahead and start a "Is Manny Machado a HOFer?" thread, compile the data, and get back to us.

ETA: Ouch. He kinda already did. Didn't go too well.

dbpsooner · 05-10-2021, 09:20 PM

Maybe I missed it, but what does Manny Machado have to do with Nolan Arenado?

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Maybe I missed it, but what does Manny Machado have to do with Nolan Arenado?

Nothing, but a salty Machado fan had to try to derail us.

You know, a guy that's been here 3 months, started 8 total threads, and 3 of them are Machado related... hmm

Zoop · 05-10-2021, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Nothing, but a salty Machado fan had to try to derail us.

You know, a guy that's been here 3 months, started 8 total threads, and 3 of them are Machado related... hmm

With how this hobby has been, I’m leery of anyone who has been around just a few months here. I can’t be the only one, even if I’m just one of the few verbalizing it.

Superfractor · 05-11-2021, 12:38 AM

Apparently I purchased a Tristar Nado auto 1/1 back in 2011 and it got lost in the mail. Would love to have that nowadays ha even if it is Tristar.

That screenshot was a post on scrub-card needs/finds for the national lol

ctal · 05-11-2021, 05:45 AM

I agree, he needs a few more GG and would love to see a few more seasons with solid hitting outside Coors

https://www.dropbox.com/s/noegkutylj...%2008.jpg?dl=0

corockies · 05-11-2021, 03:50 PM

Stat line from High Heat today about Arenado:

MLB ranks for Arenado since start of 2015 season:

Games 870 - 4th
HR 213 - 2nd
RBI 670 - 1st
WAR 35.5 - 3rd
Total Bases 1,883 - 1st

Cards and 401K · 05-11-2021, 08:57 PM

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cloakroom · 05-11-2021, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

You're making a case for Machado? Really guy?

And are you really arguing that the Padres have a better fanbase than the Cards?

yes and yes. machado is a better player on a much better HOF path. get over it, clowns. seriously in here saying he's a lock for the HOF off GGs. get a grip. what an asinine take. not only does the coors effect reflect his numbers, but it will also with voters.

cloakroom · 05-11-2021, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I think he should just go ahead and start a "Is Manny Machado a HOFer?" thread, compile the data, and get back to us.

ETA: Ouch. He kinda already did. Didn't go too well.

it actually went well, especially with the compiled data. he's next in line behind Betts, so you can go ahead and try again, buddy. the boomer boards can whine all they want about him, doesn't change numbers. and going through people's previous posts is spiking the first basemens ankle level of toolbag

Akimbo14 · 05-13-2021, 10:13 PM

Mail day!

Very excited to upgrade my 2013 Topps Update Gold. Just in time for another solid game (3-5 with a game winning RBI) paired with a Cardinals win.

I've owned probably 10 Arenado 2013 Topps Update PSA 10s over the years between base, parallels, and Topps Update Chrome. This might be the cleanest one I've seen.

texmcpherson · 05-13-2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cloakroom

yes and yes. machado is a better player on a much better HOF path. get over it, clowns. seriously in here saying he's a lock for the HOF off GGs. get a grip. what an asinine take. not only does the coors effect reflect his numbers, but it will also with voters.

Manny Machado isn’t even the best player on his own team. And just for giggles he isn’t even liked or respected by most of the league; that will “reflect with voters” just ask Curt Schilling. Take your non-sense to the Manny Machado thread.. if there even is one.

corockies · 05-13-2021, 10:45 PM

AB H HR 2B BA R RBI SB OBP OPS GG PlatinumG

Machado 4668 1299 228 247 .278 666 667 70 .337 .822 2 1

Arenado 4261 1245 241 274 .292 669 783 16 .349 .888 8 4

Pretty much the same stats, Arenado has 400 less ABs and is a better clutch hitter (100 more RBI). Defense isn't even close.

05-10-2021, 09:20 PM	#114
dbpsooner Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Omaha Posts: 2,999 dbpsooner	Maybe I missed it, but what does Manny Machado have to do with Nolan Arenado?

05-11-2021, 05:45 AM	#118
ctal Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 78	I agree, he needs a few more GG and would love to see a few more seasons with solid hitting outside Coors https://www.dropbox.com/s/noegkutylj...%2008.jpg?dl=0

05-11-2021, 03:50 PM	#119
corockies Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,321 corockies corockies	Stat line from High Heat today about Arenado: MLB ranks for Arenado since start of 2015 season: Games 870 - 4th HR 213 - 2nd RBI 670 - 1st WAR 35.5 - 3rd Total Bases 1,883 - 1st

05-11-2021, 08:57 PM	#120
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,573	Back from PSA fine Arenado Nine! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-13-2021, 10:13 PM	#123
Akimbo14 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 212	Mail day! Very excited to upgrade my 2013 Topps Update Gold. Just in time for another solid game (3-5 with a game winning RBI) paired with a Cardinals win. I've owned probably 10 Arenado 2013 Topps Update PSA 10s over the years between base, parallels, and Topps Update Chrome. This might be the cleanest one I've seen.

05-13-2021, 10:45 PM	#125
corockies Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,321 corockies corockies	AB H HR 2B BA R RBI SB OBP OPS GG PlatinumG Machado 4668 1299 228 247 .278 666 667 70 .337 .822 2 1 Arenado 4261 1245 241 274 .292 669 783 16 .349 .888 8 4 Pretty much the same stats, Arenado has 400 less ABs and is a better clutch hitter (100 more RBI). Defense isn't even close.