Nolan Arenado Thread - Page 4

mrb842 · 02-05-2021, 12:05 PM

all you need to know about the state of baseball is that I have not seen one store in the cardinals area post on social media come look at our arenado cards or sell us yours or anything related to him and he's their biggest acquisition since la russa

BlueJaysRockies · 02-05-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mrb842

all you need to know about the state of baseball is that I have not seen one store in the cardinals area post on social media come look at our arenado cards or sell us yours or anything related to him and he's their biggest acquisition since la russa

Well, there hasn't been 100 social videos on him yet herding people to his cards. Just let the queue clear and his time will come.

BC Hunt · 02-05-2021, 12:46 PM

Sold my emerald and picked up a chrome purple - sold the emerald before trade, damn.

mrb842 · 02-05-2021, 01:06 PM

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Well, there hasn't been 100 social videos on him yet herding people to his cards. Just let the queue clear and his time will come.

he's the biggest cardinals acquisition since mcgwire and you see nothing on social media from stores in that region on him.

now imagine the knicks getting durant or the bulls getting luka or the bears getting watson.

texmcpherson · 04-17-2021, 05:05 PM

“hE cAn’T hIt AwAy fRoM CoOrs!”

cloakroom · 04-17-2021, 07:55 PM

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“hE cAn’T hIt AwAy fRoM CoOrs!”

Nice strawman. he isn't an elite hitter outside of Coors, and that's always been the argument. I'm just glad that come September we'll be able to put all of the Coors effect deniers to bed finally.

texmcpherson · 05-10-2021, 08:57 AM

35 games into the season with not playing his home games at Coors.

.281 AVG
.340 OBP
.511 SLG
6 HR
23 RBI’s
OPS+ 139

I know the critics will say it’s a small sample size but to that I say it looks like he’s proving them wrong. Still absolutely solid numbers.

Akimbo14 · 05-10-2021, 12:00 PM

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35 games into the season with not playing his home games at Coors.

.281 AVG
.340 OBP
.511 SLG
6 HR
23 RBI’s
OPS+ 139

I know the critics will say it’s a small sample size but to that I say it looks like he’s proving them wrong. Still absolutely solid numbers.

Yes, absolutely solid performance so far. I'm now a Cards fan and love following the team.

I'm surprised his prices continue to drop. His flagship PSA 10 has been on a steady decline for the past few months and now sits at $140-$150. Maybe it's a market correction from the spring training hype.

He is on the path for another gold glove, maybe an all-star appearance, and a return to the playoffs. He is slowly building on his HOF resume.

Wade Mulroy · 05-10-2021, 12:05 PM

As a Cardinals fan, I've loved the short time we've had him here. He certainly brings an energy and charisma that we haven't had from a superstar in a very long time.

babybull · 05-10-2021, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mrb842

he's the biggest cardinals acquisition since mcgwire and you see nothing on social media from stores in that region on him.

now imagine the knicks getting durant or the bulls getting luka or the bears getting watson.

Paul Goldschmidt would like a moment for rebuttal.

BBases31 · 05-10-2021, 02:47 PM

His chrome updates seem cheap at $30? It doesn't help that he's playing in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in baseball. I'd put his Hall of Fame chances around 30%

Zoop · 05-10-2021, 03:05 PM

Pulled these two out of repacks within a week of each other:

I'm loving Nolan. It seems like every time we need him to come through with a clutch hit or grab, he does it. He's dependable.

PhilT · 05-10-2021, 03:09 PM

Got one his home run challenge cards coming!

cloakroom · 05-10-2021, 04:57 PM

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His chrome updates seem cheap at $30? It doesn't help that he's playing in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in baseball. I'd put his Hall of Fame chances around 30%

doesn't help Machado has much better HOF chances and i believe is 2 years younger playing for a more exciting team. he's a seen a slight bump and i'd imagine he sees a bigger bump before Nolan.

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 06:51 PM

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doesn't help Machado has much better HOF chances and i believe is 2 years younger playing for a more exciting team. he's a seen a slight bump and i'd imagine he sees a bigger bump before Nolan.

Machado? Much better chance? What?

Arenado will probably get in on defense alone...

BigRedMachine80 · 05-10-2021, 07:11 PM

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doesn't help Machado has much better HOF chances and i believe is 2 years younger playing for a more exciting team. he's a seen a slight bump and i'd imagine he sees a bigger bump before Nolan.

Uhhh....nah, no way. Machado is universally disliked for being a dirty player, on top of being inferior on defense. And nothing he does offensively separates him from Nolan. Cardinals aren't exactly a small fanbase, and now with him being in a more visible market on a competing team, he should get a bump before season end.

corockies · 05-10-2021, 07:30 PM

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His chrome updates seem cheap at $30? It doesn't help that he's playing in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in baseball. I'd put his Hall of Fame chances around 30%

Arenado's 8 gold gloves nearly have him in the HoF already at age 30.

rman112 · 05-10-2021, 07:41 PM

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Arenado's 8 gold gloves nearly have him in the HoF already at age 30.

His WAR numbers say that he's not really close. While it's obviously not the end-all-be-all, here's some guys that aren't in the Hall, with their Fangraphs WAR.

Bando - 56.2
Buddy Bell - 61.7
Rolen (might get in) - 69.9
Cey - 55.6
Boyer - 54.8

Arenado - 33.6

Donaldson - 43.1
Longoria- 52.7

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 07:46 PM

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His WAR numbers say that he's not really close. While it's obviously not the end-all-be-all, here's some guys that aren't in the Hall, with their Fangraphs WAR.

Bando - 56.2
Buddy Bell - 61.7
Rolen (might get in) - 69.9
Cey - 55.6
Boyer - 54.8

Arenado - 33.6

Donaldson - 43.1
Longoria- 52.7

According to BBRef, he's 31st all-time for 3B in WAR at 41.6.

Also:
8x Gold Gloves
4x Platinum Gloves
5x All Star
4x Silver Slugger

rman112 · 05-10-2021, 07:51 PM

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According to BBRef, he's 31st all-time for 3B in WAR at 41.6.

They're higher on both Arenado and Machado.

BBases31 · 05-10-2021, 07:59 PM

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They're higher on both Arenado and Machado.

Because bWAR always overrates defense. Tommy Edman was #2 in WAR in the NL at some point last week

dbpsooner · 05-10-2021, 08:00 PM

Not sure I get the WAR argument from the nay sayers. It would seem to me that he is well on his way to surpassing most of the other guys listed, all while being considered one of, if not the best defensive 3b of all time.

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2021, 08:01 PM

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Not sure I get the WAR argument from the nay sayers. It would seem to me that he is well on his way to surpassing most of the other guys listed, all while being considered one of, if not the best defensive 3b of all time.

He gets anywhere near sniffing Robinson's 16 GG's, he'll be in on the 1st ballot. Hell, I bet if he can pull off around 10-11, he's a 1st ballot.

rman112 · 05-10-2021, 08:04 PM

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Not sure I get the WAR argument from the nay sayers. It would seem to me that he is well on his way to surpassing most of the other guys listed, all while being considered one of, if not the best defensive 3b of all time.

The quoted post is that Arenado is essentially in the HOF... right now.

rman112 · 05-10-2021, 08:06 PM

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He gets anywhere near sniffing Robinson's 16 GG's, he'll be in on the 1st ballot. Hell, I bet if he can pull off around 10-11, he's a 1st ballot.

I think he's going to need a few years of hitting well as a Cardinal. The fact that all of his offense has come as a Rockie hurts right now, whether fair or not. He needs to show that he is a legitimate hitter, especially with how extreme his Rockies splits are.

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dbpsooner Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Omaha Posts: 3,003 dbpsooner	Not sure I get the WAR argument from the nay sayers. It would seem to me that he is well on his way to surpassing most of the other guys listed, all while being considered one of, if not the best defensive 3b of all time.