Calling it Now, Bucs Will Repeat **Official 2021 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Season Thread** - Page 7

blackbears86 · 04-13-2021, 08:29 AM

In the draft, I seriously hope they go with maybe 1-2 offensive linemen, and all defense (d-line, and secondary)

They are set at TE, WR and RB. Really no need to go with skilled offensive players unless a gift falls to them in the draft that they cannot pass up.

Eckstein197 · 04-13-2021, 08:43 AM

Bernard is an excellent pickup, love the addition of him.

Definitely takes RB out of consideration for the draft which I am totally fine with, the RB room is crowded now so let the play figure it out

I think for the draft they will focus on DL and OL the most. First rounder is probably going to be a pass rusher, makes the most sense with JPP heading into a contract year. Need depth and youth there. OT depth will also be addressed, losing Haeg means there is really no decent backup OT. Also can see them grabbing a G/C swing guy for depth. So something along the lines of

2 DL picks (1 EDGE and 1 DT)
2 OL picks (1 OT and 1 G/C)
1 CB (can never have enough)

Another LB/CB who will be primarily used for special teams because the coverage teams were bad this year

Could also see them grabbing a QB in the 5/6 round for depth purposes because I don't think they've signed a backup unless I missed someone

Also wouldn't be shocked to see 3 picks go for the DL. Edge, DT and then a late rounder for depth purposes for training camp

Eckstein197 · 04-13-2021, 08:47 AM

I think the draft will look something like

1st round - EDGE
2nd round - CB
3rd round - OT
4th round - DT
5th round - OG/C
6th round - EDGE
7th round - QB
7th round - Special teams LB

Could flip CB and OT for 2/3 round.

Also don't be surprised if the Bucs move a pick or 2 for future picks. Something like trading this year's 4th for 3rd next year or this year's 6th for a 5th next year. Pushing a couple picks off to next year wouldn't be a bad idea

blackbears86 · 04-13-2021, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I think the draft will look something like

1st round - EDGE
2nd round - CB
3rd round - OT
4th round - DT
5th round - OG/C
6th round - EDGE
7th round - QB
7th round - Special teams LB

Could flip CB and OT for 2/3 round.

Also don't be surprised if the Bucs move a pick or 2 for future picks. Something like trading this year's 4th for 3rd next year or this year's 6th for a 5th next year. Pushing a couple picks off to next year wouldn't be a bad idea

I like this.

Eckstein197 · 04-13-2021, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I like this.

Thank ya, I really think the first 4 rounds are EDGE/CB/OT/DT in some kind of order and I don't see a way they aren't. Unless some crazy talent falls or something

People thinking the Bucs will take a QB early don't realize that's the exact thing Brady got so angry with Belicheck about. The last thing the Bucs are trying to do is piss off Brady. In a vacuum would it be smart? Well yes Brady is old and this team is in win now mode. We don't live in a vacuum though, and Brady showed zero signs of significant decline this past season so just keep surrounding him with as much talent as possible and squeeze as much out of him as possible. The Bucs are lucky the Brady situation worked out in their favor, they've already won a SB so you're playing with house money. Don't wreck the house, just keep building around it.

If you wanna spend say a 5th instead of a 7th on a QB, that's not a problem, once you're out of the 3rd round picks are crapshoots anyways. You don't spend a top 100 pick on a QB right now, you just don't

Eckstein197 · 04-13-2021, 08:59 AM

If once Brady retires in a year or 2, and the team struggles to find a QB it's okay. We got a SB and have no regrets about surrounding him with as much talent as possible. If the Bucs come up just short of winning another SB and they wasted a premium asset like a first round or second round pick on a QB, that's gong to be something you end up regretting.

We also have no idea what the QB market will look like once Brady retires in a couple years. There could be another aging QB kicked out by his current team (cough cough Rodgers), or just quality veterans available because there are so many good young QBs coming into the league right now. Or Brady falters in year 3 and the Bucs draft in the mid teens, they could trade up to snag a franchise caliber QB. It just makes no sense to spend pick 32 on a QB when your team is in win now mode

Eckstein197 · 04-13-2021, 09:03 AM

I'm also fully prepared to watch the draft night 1 all the way through, wait to hear the announcement of the Bucs pick at pick 32, just for them to trade down out of the first round

foleylion08 · 04-13-2021, 04:58 PM

So KeShawn Vaughn is their only running back under contract past this season? Just let the season play out an try to extend whoever excels?

MC80_LCM · 04-13-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

So KeShawn Vaughn is their only running back under contract past this season? Just let the season play out an try to extend whoever excels?

That is the only thing that makes me think RB still might be in play. Probably not in the first round but maybe in the back couple rounds.

I'd also love to see them grab a QB maybe if someone slips. None of the top 5 guys will fall but maybe grab someone in the 3rd/4th. I won't claim to know much about these guys or how they project but maybe a Mond/Trask/Davis Mills. I'd really love to get someone in that can sit and learn from Brady.

majestik101 · 04-13-2021, 08:01 PM

What if...

The Bucs traded their first round draft pick (#32) to the 49ers in exchange for Jimmy Geesus

I think my head would explode and I would probably quit football for good (just kidding)

Siberian13 · 04-13-2021, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

What if...

The Bucs traded their first round draft pick (#32) to the 49ers in exchange for Jimmy Geesus

I think my head would explode and I would probably quit football for good (just kidding)

It would be a dumb trade for the Bucs. Good for the 49ers to get that much back though.

blackbears86 · 04-14-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

Thank ya, I really think the first 4 rounds are EDGE/CB/OT/DT in some kind of order and I don't see a way they aren't. Unless some crazy talent falls or something

People thinking the Bucs will take a QB early don't realize that's the exact thing Brady got so angry with Belicheck about. The last thing the Bucs are trying to do is piss off Brady. In a vacuum would it be smart? Well yes Brady is old and this team is in win now mode. We don't live in a vacuum though, and Brady showed zero signs of significant decline this past season so just keep surrounding him with as much talent as possible and squeeze as much out of him as possible. The Bucs are lucky the Brady situation worked out in their favor, they've already won a SB so you're playing with house money. Don't wreck the house, just keep building around it.

If you wanna spend say a 5th instead of a 7th on a QB, that's not a problem, once you're out of the 3rd round picks are crapshoots anyways. You don't spend a top 100 pick on a QB right now, you just don't

Good insight here!

I really haven't paid much attention to the draft rumors in Tampa, but I highly doubt they draft a QB.

They are much better served shoring up protection for Brady and beefing up their aging d-line.

But what do I know?

blackbears86 · 04-14-2021, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MC80_LCM

That is the only thing that makes me think RB still might be in play. Probably not in the first round but maybe in the back couple rounds.
I'd also love to see them grab a QB maybe if someone slips. None of the top 5 guys will fall but maybe grab someone in the 3rd/4th. I won't claim to know much about these guys or how they project but maybe a Mond/Trask/Davis Mills. I'd really love to get someone in that can sit and learn from Brady.

This makes way more sense than drafting a QB

Siberian13 · 04-14-2021, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MC80_LCM

That is the only thing that makes me think RB still might be in play. Probably not in the first round but maybe in the back couple rounds.

I'd also love to see them grab a QB maybe if someone slips. None of the top 5 guys will fall but maybe grab someone in the 3rd/4th. I won't claim to know much about these guys or how they project but maybe a Mond/Trask/Davis Mills. I'd really love to get someone in that can sit and learn from Brady.

Sounds like Mond and Mills are getting some hype for the 2nd round though. Maybe Trask is available going past the 3rd?

Torralbae1 · 04-18-2021, 12:34 PM

On a hobby note, what's going on with Tristan Wirfs. Was hoping to pick up a Optic and Select SP and the winning bids ended up a lot higher than expected. He seems to be getting a lot of love for an OL. Looks to be outselling Quenton Nelson.

majestik101 · 04-18-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Torralbae1

On a hobby note, what's going on with Tristan Wirfs. Was hoping to pick up a Optic and Select SP and the winning bids ended up a lot higher than expected. He seems to be getting a lot of love for an OL. Looks to be outselling Quenton Nelson.

I have no idea. Maybe Buyer's Group is setting the prices?

I like Tristan Wirfs but I'm not paying these outrageous prices for him, not when I can get better cards of established players on the team

Eckstein197 · 04-27-2021, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Torralbae1

On a hobby note, what's going on with Tristan Wirfs. Was hoping to pick up a Optic and Select SP and the winning bids ended up a lot higher than expected. He seems to be getting a lot of love for an OL. Looks to be outselling Quenton Nelson.

His prices are crazy I am honestly surprised. Incredible rookie season, he's my new PC. Have not been able to land a ton due to his prices.

Eckstein197 · 04-27-2021, 01:26 PM

The more I think about the draft, the more convinced I am that the Bucs are going C and OG with 2 of their first 3 picks. Jensen and Cappa are in contract years and this will provide important depth. Also it's a very good OL draft so the talent will fall to the Bucs.

Their other early rounder will be DL probably EDGE rusher.

Can definitely see the Bucs trading a pick or 2 for picks next year, there's not a lot of room on this roster for late drafted rookies.

Bucs will probably draft a RB in the 4-6th round and we will see if he outplays Vaughn.

Only other position I could see the Bucs taking in rounds 1 or 2 besides OG/C and DL would be CB. If a top CB falls, never bad to have another talented CB to add to the Gravediggers

blackbears86 · 04-27-2021, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

The more I think about the draft, the more convinced I am that the Bucs are going C and OG with 2 of their first 3 picks. Jensen and Cappa are in contract years and this will provide important depth. Also it's a very good OL draft so the talent will fall to the Bucs.

Their other early rounder will be DL probably EDGE rusher.

Can definitely see the Bucs trading a pick or 2 for picks next year, there's not a lot of room on this roster for late drafted rookies.

Bucs will probably draft a RB in the 4-6th round and we will see if he outplays Vaughn.

Only other position I could see the Bucs taking in rounds 1 or 2 besides OG/C and DL would be CB. If a top CB falls, never bad to have another talented CB to add to the Gravediggers

I agree with this.

Why waste late round picks on guys who will likely not make the roster?

Trade away the late picks for the future.

Eckstein197 · 04-27-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I agree with this.

Why waste late round picks on guys who will likely not make the roster?

Trade away the late picks for the future.

Yeah I could see the type of trades where you get nothing right now because the pick is round + 1 next year

So trade this years 5th rounder for a 2022 4th

I could also easily see the Bucs trade up a couple times, use those late picks as leverage and get better talent

mainelobster · 04-28-2021, 07:44 AM

They have now resigned Antonio Brown this morning. This team should be better than last year with a true off-season to mesh. Scary how good they could be if healthy.

foleylion08 · 04-28-2021, 07:45 AM

Antonio Brown back on a 1-year, $3.1 million deal.

majestik101 · 04-28-2021, 09:55 AM

Kingofkings1281 · 04-28-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

Antonio Brown back on a 1-year, $3.1 million deal.

This offense is going to be otherworldly.

blackbears86 · 04-28-2021, 07:38 PM

I'm really liking how things are shaping up for the draft:

1. No need to grab offensive skill players unless a gift falls in the Bucs lap.
2. concentrate on both sides of the line and the secondary
3. repeat #2 in the late rounds, unless trading up

Wish list: another stout lineman who will compliment Wirfs and protect the GOAT so he can play 3 more years.

edit: 2nd wish: a linebacker to compliment David (but I have no idea how strong the linebackers are in this draft)

04-13-2021, 08:43 AM	#152
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,756 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	Bernard is an excellent pickup, love the addition of him. Definitely takes RB out of consideration for the draft which I am totally fine with, the RB room is crowded now so let the play figure it out I think for the draft they will focus on DL and OL the most. First rounder is probably going to be a pass rusher, makes the most sense with JPP heading into a contract year. Need depth and youth there. OT depth will also be addressed, losing Haeg means there is really no decent backup OT. Also can see them grabbing a G/C swing guy for depth. So something along the lines of 2 DL picks (1 EDGE and 1 DT) 2 OL picks (1 OT and 1 G/C) 1 CB (can never have enough) Another LB/CB who will be primarily used for special teams because the coverage teams were bad this year Could also see them grabbing a QB in the 5/6 round for depth purposes because I don't think they've signed a backup unless I missed someone Also wouldn't be shocked to see 3 picks go for the DL. Edge, DT and then a late rounder for depth purposes for training camp __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

04-13-2021, 08:47 AM	#153
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,756 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	I think the draft will look something like 1st round - EDGE 2nd round - CB 3rd round - OT 4th round - DT 5th round - OG/C 6th round - EDGE 7th round - QB 7th round - Special teams LB Could flip CB and OT for 2/3 round. Also don't be surprised if the Bucs move a pick or 2 for future picks. Something like trading this year's 4th for 3rd next year or this year's 6th for a 5th next year. Pushing a couple picks off to next year wouldn't be a bad idea __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

04-13-2021, 08:59 AM	#156
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,756 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	If once Brady retires in a year or 2, and the team struggles to find a QB it's okay. We got a SB and have no regrets about surrounding him with as much talent as possible. If the Bucs come up just short of winning another SB and they wasted a premium asset like a first round or second round pick on a QB, that's gong to be something you end up regretting. We also have no idea what the QB market will look like once Brady retires in a couple years. There could be another aging QB kicked out by his current team (cough cough Rodgers), or just quality veterans available because there are so many good young QBs coming into the league right now. Or Brady falters in year 3 and the Bucs draft in the mid teens, they could trade up to snag a franchise caliber QB. It just makes no sense to spend pick 32 on a QB when your team is in win now mode __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches Last edited by Eckstein197; 04-13-2021 at 09:02 AM.

04-13-2021, 09:03 AM	#157
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,756 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	I'm also fully prepared to watch the draft night 1 all the way through, wait to hear the announcement of the Bucs pick at pick 32, just for them to trade down out of the first round __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

04-18-2021, 12:34 PM	#165
Torralbae1 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,357	On a hobby note, what's going on with Tristan Wirfs. Was hoping to pick up a Optic and Select SP and the winning bids ended up a lot higher than expected. He seems to be getting a lot of love for an OL. Looks to be outselling Quenton Nelson. __________________ Looking for: Donruss Optic Rated Rookies Green #'d /5 '14 Certified FOTG Prime Calvin Johnson /'16 Certified FOTG Prime JJ Watt & Tom Brady 2010 Certified Football Master Set(89.84%) Arrelious Benn PC: 527 Autos (291) Unique, (46) 1/1's, (39)National Treasures RPA's /99

04-13-2021, 08:29 AM	#151
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,028 blackbears86	In the draft, I seriously hope they go with maybe 1-2 offensive linemen, and all defense (d-line, and secondary) They are set at TE, WR and RB. Really no need to go with skilled offensive players unless a gift falls to them in the draft that they cannot pass up.

04-13-2021, 04:58 PM	#158
foleylion08 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,623 dynastysportscards17	So KeShawn Vaughn is their only running back under contract past this season? Just let the season play out an try to extend whoever excels?

04-13-2021, 08:01 PM	#160
majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 42,133 majestik101	What if... The Bucs traded their first round draft pick (#32) to the 49ers in exchange for Jimmy Geesus I think my head would explode and I would probably quit football for good (just kidding)

04-27-2021, 01:26 PM	#168
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,756 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	The more I think about the draft, the more convinced I am that the Bucs are going C and OG with 2 of their first 3 picks. Jensen and Cappa are in contract years and this will provide important depth. Also it's a very good OL draft so the talent will fall to the Bucs. Their other early rounder will be DL probably EDGE rusher. Can definitely see the Bucs trading a pick or 2 for picks next year, there's not a lot of room on this roster for late drafted rookies. Bucs will probably draft a RB in the 4-6th round and we will see if he outplays Vaughn. Only other position I could see the Bucs taking in rounds 1 or 2 besides OG/C and DL would be CB. If a top CB falls, never bad to have another talented CB to add to the Gravediggers __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

04-28-2021, 07:44 AM	#171
mainelobster Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,172	They have now resigned Antonio Brown this morning. This team should be better than last year with a true off-season to mesh. Scary how good they could be if healthy.

04-28-2021, 07:45 AM	#172
foleylion08 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,623 dynastysportscards17	Antonio Brown back on a 1-year, $3.1 million deal.

04-28-2021, 09:55 AM	#173
majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 42,133 majestik101

04-28-2021, 07:38 PM	#175
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,028 blackbears86	I'm really liking how things are shaping up for the draft: 1. No need to grab offensive skill players unless a gift falls in the Bucs lap. 2. concentrate on both sides of the line and the secondary 3. repeat #2 in the late rounds, unless trading up Wish list: another stout lineman who will compliment Wirfs and protect the GOAT so he can play 3 more years. edit: 2nd wish: a linebacker to compliment David (but I have no idea how strong the linebackers are in this draft) Last edited by blackbears86; 04-28-2021 at 07:53 PM.