Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by JRX

I won a chrome refractor 2 days ago, a current auction is almost 100 more. Guess everyone has noticed lol

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Mind sharing the price?

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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I just don't want to see Vladdy become a Joey Votto. I'm digging the plate discipline this year. He's waiting for the right pitch instead of reaching and driving in to the ground. That's good. But don't be too selective. Get your pitch and mash it.

We probably don’t have to worry about this too much. Sure, he’s selective. But that’s a sign of a hitter who commands the plate. (Trout, Harper and Soto all walk a lot, too.) Beyond that, while the offense has been lagging as a whole and Vlad has been getting pitched around a little, he’s still mashing and driving in runs.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by leftymo49

Was his Update RC double printed or something? They've been consistently in the $4-6 range. Since release and through his ups and downs.

What Triple B said. Also, there’s such a Chrome craze right now, that there just isn’t much attention being paid to the Update base.

But the Acuna and Gleyber ‘18 Updates followed a similar path. It took a while for them to garner much attention in the shadow of their Series 2 SP rookies.


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[jduds]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

What Triple B said. Also, there’s such a Chrome craze right now, that there just isn’t much attention being paid to the Update base.

But the Acuna and Gleyber ‘18 Updates followed a similar path. It took a while for them to garner much attention in the shadow of their Series 2 SP rookies.


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Their SPs are too rare to serve as a base flagship. The NNO is not common, but has a decent enough population to function as a base rookie. I think they will get some more love eventually, but the NNO is going to have to get sucked up into more PCs and pricier for people to seek out alternatives. It'll happen, just not as quick as with Acuna.

[Triple B]

The Gem Chrome Refractors are REALLY taking off...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154400658856

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by Triple B

The Gem Chrome Refractors are REALLY taking off...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154400658856

Weird there are BIN for less....

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[Mymoneypls]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

Weird there are BIN for less....

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Not for long...


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[Mymoneypls]

Vladdy, basically can do the splits now at first base. He’s becoming a complete player.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Mymoneypls

Vladdy, basically can do the splits now at first base. He’s becoming a complete player.


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He can also flick his wrists on an off-balanced, excuse-me swing and one-hop it it to the fence.


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[Flkrsn5]

All refractors seem to be shooting through the roof right now and it happened quick!

[Mymoneypls]

Originally Posted by Flkrsn5

All refractors seem to be shooting through the roof right now and it happened quick!

Really?


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[eye4talent]

I’m a little worried about the market. I just bought a US1 vintage stock for $221.

Maybe I just got lucky, considering that Alec Bohm and Jo Adell Vintage Stocks have been selling for considerably more. But still, it was an auction for a sub-100 flagship, from a high-volume consignor.

What am I missing? Is it the Chrome effect? Was it just a one-off that just slipped through the cracks?


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[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m a little worried about the market. I just bought a US1 vintage stock for $221.

Maybe I just got lucky, considering that Alec Bohm and Jo Adell Vintage Stocks have been selling for considerably more. But still, it was an auction for a sub-100 flagship, from a high-volume consignor.

What am I missing? Is it the Chrome effect? Was it just a one-off that just slipped through the cracks?

A black recently sold for $750. Raw golds for around $100-125. Make of that what you will.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

A black recently sold for $750. Raw golds for around $100-125. Make of that what you will.

Yeah, I bought that black. It seemed low, too, compared to some other recent black sales of other players.

The golds are selling stronger than they had been ever since the ‘20 season started. So that’s a good sign. Maybe I just got lucky.




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[Mymoneypls]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Yeah, I bought that black. It seemed low, too, compared to some other recent black sales of other players.

The golds are selling stronger than they had been ever since the ‘20 season started. So that’s a good sign. Maybe I just got lucky.




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What about the rainbow foil US1?


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Mymoneypls

What about the rainbow foil US1?


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Those have not picked up steam. A raw sold last week for $45, and a PSA 10 sold for $158 a few days earlier.


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[stinkus]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m a little worried about the market. I just bought a US1 vintage stock for $221.

Maybe I just got lucky, considering that Alec Bohm and Jo Adell Vintage Stocks have been selling for considerably more. But still, it was an auction for a sub-100 flagship, from a high-volume consignor.

What am I missing? Is it the Chrome effect? Was it just a one-off that just slipped through the cracks?


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Second release, bad photo. People want the first release and SP NNO, and since it has no parallels, rather than going update they go chrome refractor, that’s where the money is.

At least that’s my opinion.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m a little worried about the market. I just bought a US1 vintage stock for $221.

Maybe I just got lucky, considering that Alec Bohm and Jo Adell Vintage Stocks have been selling for considerably more. But still, it was an auction for a sub-100 flagship, from a high-volume consignor.

What am I missing? Is it the Chrome effect? Was it just a one-off that just slipped through the cracks?


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I think the condition being listed as "very good" with no specifics given might have scared some bidders off on that one. It's why I didnt bid on it.

[3rdpedal]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m a little worried about the market. I just bought a US1 vintage stock for $221.

Maybe I just got lucky, considering that Alec Bohm and Jo Adell Vintage Stocks have been selling for considerably more. But still, it was an auction for a sub-100 flagship, from a high-volume consignor.

What am I missing? Is it the Chrome effect? Was it just a one-off that just slipped through the cracks?


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Originally Posted by stinkus

Second release, bad photo. People want the first release and SP NNO, and since it has no parallels, rather than going update they go chrome refractor, that’s where the money is.

At least that’s my opinion.

I think I agree. I think the NNO from S2 and Chrome Parallels are the market darlings for Vlad. At least that's where my money is.

[stinkus]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

I think the condition being listed as "very good" with no specifics given might have scared some bidders off on that one. It's why I didnt bid on it.

Eh i list almost every raw card i have as very good, don’t want any BS returns because i mistakenly left it as brand new and isn’t perfect psa 10 quality.


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[Triple B]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

I think the condition being listed as "very good" with no specifics given might have scared some bidders off on that one. It's why I didnt bid on it.

This. A BGS 9.5 US1 Black sold for $4,499 (according to 130PT) on April 1. I don’t think a lot of people are willing to spend big money on anything listed as “very good”. Not to say it won’t happen, but it’s almost graded or bust.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by stinkus

Eh i list almost every raw card i have as very good, don’t want any BS returns because i mistakenly left it as brand new and isn’t perfect psa 10 quality.


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Originally Posted by Triple B

This. A BGS 9.5 US1 Black sold for $4,499 (according to 130PT) on April 1. I don’t think a lot of people are willing to spend big money on anything listed as “very good”. Not to say it won’t happen, but it’s almost graded or bust.

I don't mind if a card is listed as very good. I usually list as like new, but have one now listed as very good. I think its a good idea to spell out the issues the card might have. Leaving the generic ebay description can scare off potential buyers, and I mean good ones too not just grade chasers. I would probably have bid on the Vlad if the seller had described why they listed it as very good.

[eye4talent]

I had forgotten about the VG label, because this seller (who is a consignor) lists all his raw cards that way. I’ve bought from him before and found no real issues with the cards, so I just glossed over the listed condition when I first saw it.

Moral of the story: you can get some great deals from dcsports87 listings.

Also, it looks like we’re going to have a great debate moving forward about Chrome vs. Update. Obviously, that’s been stirring hobby-wide for a little while now, but it’s certainly going to be part of the Vlad collecting world. Personally, I like both and love having numbered parallels from both sets.

I don’t mind the Update photo so much, except for being able to see Sogard so clearly in the background. The fact that Vld is developing into an asset at 1B makes a fielding picture more palatable.


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[Triple B]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I had forgotten about the VG label, because this seller (who is a consignor) lists all his raw cards that way. I’ve bought from him before and found no real issues with the cards, so I just glossed over the listed condition when I first saw it.

Moral of the story: you can get some great deals from dcsports87 listings.

Also, it looks like we’re going to have a great debate moving forward about Chrome vs. Update. Obviously, that’s been stirring hobby-wide for a little while now, but it’s certainly going to be part of the Vlad collecting world. Personally, I like both and love having numbered parallels from both sets.

I don’t mind the Update photo so much, except for being able to see Sogard so clearly in the background. The fact that Vld is developing into an asset at 1B makes a fielding picture more palatable.


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Don’t get me wrong, I hope that shows up in your mailbox and it’s a banger. Grabbing that card for $750 is a steal and a half and I’m glad you got it. Just saying that it doesn’t speak to the market. You got a killer deal.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Don’t get me wrong, I hope that shows up in your mailbox and it’s a banger. Grabbing that card for $750 is a steal and a half and I’m glad you got it. Just saying that it doesn’t speak to the market. You got a killer deal.

You’re right. My market-related concern was alleviated here. Assuming the card is as good as it looks in the photos, the VG description probably just scared off some folks and led to me getting a good deal.

But I do think there will be Team Chrome and Team Update moving forward. Although, it won’t really matter, as both Chrome and Update will go berserk if and when Vlad officially reaches that Soto/Tatis/Acuna gear.




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