Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Setting the record straight in reference to your word “your” above...

I doubt you were referring to me, but just in case, that sale wasn’t mine. I knew nothing about that listing until it was over.

The date on the back of that card says 2017.

The set is 2018-19 Topps NOW PL. Definitely one of Foden’s earliest cards.

It represents Foden’s first goal. First, (only?), card to do so.

Without a doubt, questionable listing or not, that card is valuable, and if you think any other base card from any year or brand will outsell it, (or any one of the other 60 copies that exist), in raw form, I’d be interested in hearing about it and why you think so.

the card is from mid 2019.

It came after two major releases - Donruss & Prizm, there was also his Topps Living, a Japanese WCCF release and tens of Match Attacks / Adrenalyn and sticker releases and such like before it.

It isn't one of his earliest cards. I'm sorry, and it most certainly isn't the Foden "grail" as that listing stated. I know you have a hard-on for Topps Now at the moment, but you're getting pretty dumb now.

[fadster]

The title on that Foden is misleading, and repetition of the 2017 claim in the description makes it clear the intention is to con a buyer who hasn't done their research. If a correctly titled and described one sells for that price then that will mean something.

[YayNJ]

thank-you.

sanity at last.

[ksemmel]

Anyone know the 2018 Prizm Print runs for the Green/Orange wave and the black/gold waves?

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

the card is from mid 2019.

It came after two major releases - Donruss & Prizm, there was also his Topps Living, a Japanese WCCF release and tens of Match Attacks / Adrenalyn and sticker releases and such like before it.

It isn't one of his earliest cards. I'm sorry, and it most certainly isn't the Foden "grail" as that listing stated. I know you have a hard-on for Topps Now at the moment, but you're getting pretty dumb now.

- 2018-19 Donruss base raw yesterday sold for $33.

- 2018-19 Prizm base raw sold a few days ago for $21.

- Topps Living, (very similar to Topps NOW in that it's an online ONLY, print to order card), sold raw for $79 recently.

- WCCF sold recently for $99, (assuming I have the correct card here).

- Are there any Attax or Adrenalyn raw base cards worth mentioning? (I seriously don't know, but am interested in learning).

So, let's see who's "pretty dumb" here... (since YOU chose those words)

I'm going to flat out ask you point blank...

Do you think any of those raw base cards mentioned above, (or any other Foden base card from any year or any brand), will out sell the next raw 2018-19 Topps NOW Foden card that gets listed on eBay?

[YayNJ]

for the last time - the card was sold on the back of a dishonest description and listing designed to con people.

that might fly with you, but to me (and many others) that isn't good behaviour. After your "bigger buck " comment, I'm assuming anything goes.

Downright lie - it was listed a rookie
Downright lie - it was listed as Foden's "grail" card
Dishonesty - the seller constantly listed the wrong year
Dodgy - the seller listed the card at a ridiculous price to invite stupid offers based on the above dishonesty.

You are choosing a very strange hill to die on. After your weird meltdown the other day perhaps it's time to take a day off?

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

for the last time - the card was sold on the back of a dishonest description and listing.

that might fly with you, but to me (and many others) that isn't good behaviour.

Downright lie - it was listed a rookie
Downright lie - it was listed as Foden's "grail" card
Dishonesty - the seller constantly listed the wrong year
Dodgy - the seller listed the card at a ridiculous price to invite stupid offers based on the above dishonesty.

you are choosing a very strange hill to die on. After your weird meltdown the other day perhaps it's time to take a day off?

You referred to me as being "dumb". Yet I need to take the day off. LOL!

Are you saying you can't answer a simple question? Even "dumb" people can answer simple questions. I'll ask it again and I'll put it in bold this time to make sure you don't miss it:

Do you, YayNJ, think any of those raw base cards mentioned above, (or any other Foden base card from any year or any brand), will out sell the next raw 2018-19 Topps NOW Foden card that gets listed (correctly) on eBay?

[mwheeler27]

Uh oh. Did one back himself into a corner he can’t get out of?

Come on YayNJ, put your OPINION where your mouth is. You basically accused me of being dumb. Let’s see which one of us knows more about the topic at hand...dumb old me, or all-knowing you.

I'll take your non-answer as yielding. Surely I'm not smart enough to back you into a corner.

Maybe next time you'll think twice before flying off the handle and intentionally trying to insult someone with your weak-minded opinions of a product you simply don't understand.

[Gin&Juice]

Listed correctly, that Foden card sold for $15 in January:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-Topps-...kAAOSwLlVgDZHI.

[YayNJ]

excellent.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Listed correctly, that Foden card sold for $15 in January:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-Topps-...kAAOSwLlVgDZHI.

Was that a buy it now?

Edit: I really appreciate you posting this. Maybe that will help spur YayNJ to answer my question.

He's clearly avoiding it.

[fadster]

We're comparing apples and oranges, an ondemand product with a short order window and a print run of 61 to a pack pulled base card in the thousands that also had retail and could be picked up for $0.20 on the secondary market. The NOW card could likely outsell the other base cards solely on the basis of print run, aside from that it's a pretty unremarkable card. Perhaps the fairer question is would it outsell other 2018/19 cards with a similar print run (eg donruss parallels), no I don't think it would.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by fadster

We're comparing apples and oranges, an ondemand product with a short order window and a print run of 61 to a pack pulled base card in the thousands that also had retail and could be picked up for $0.20 on the secondary market. The NOW card could likely outsell the other base cards solely on the basis of print run, aside from that it's a pretty unremarkable card. Perhaps the fairer question is would it outsell other 2018/19 cards with a similar print run (eg donruss parallels), no I don't think it would.

I agree it's not easy to compare NOW cards to mass-printed cards. I have to disagree at least slightly that it's an unremarkable card simply because it immortalizes his first PL goal.

Some NOW cards today print in the tens of thousands. 61 is extraordinarily low for an early card of a hot player. Had more people understood the brand better and where it was headed, it would have printed more. That's why we're seeing an uptick in NOW sales today compared to just a year or two ago.

I understand people want to hate on the brand. Some didn't like it at first, and some never will no matter how high sales climb. But it's becoming more and more relevant in today's hobby, and to dismiss this Foden card among so many others simply because it's a NOW card or it's a print-on-demand card, is becoming more and more shortsighted.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I agree it's not easy to compare NOW cards to mass-printed cards. I have to disagree at least slightly that it's an unremarkable card simply because it immortalizes his first PL goal.

Some NOW cards today print in the tens of thousands. 61 is extraordinarily low for an early card of a hot player. Had more people understood the brand better and where it was headed, it would have printed more. That's why we're seeing an uptick in NOW sales today compared to just a year or two ago.

I understand people want to hate on the brand. Some didn't like it at first, and some never will no matter how high sales climb. But it's becoming more and more relevant in today's hobby, and to dismiss this Foden card among so many others simply because it's a NOW card or it's a print-on-demand card, is becoming more and more shortsighted.

I have no problem with Now cards as such and have picked up several when an interesting player pops up. The biggest selling point of Now cards is when they are the first card of a particular player, in the case of Foden it isn't the case which is why it is less interesting than others. The print run is a bonus but there needs to be an underlying reason for the card to be in demand.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by fadster

I have no problem with Now cards as such and have picked up several when an interesting player pops up. The biggest selling point of Now cards is when they are the first card of a particular player, in the case of Foden it isn't the case which is why it is less interesting than others. The print run is a bonus but there needs to be an underlying reason for the card to be in demand.

I agree.

Representing the "First Goal" will help it's long term growth. That is, if Foden continues to be relevant.

[mwheeler27]

It may have been touched on in here before, but here's another example of a raw NOW card bringing decent money at auction:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

Definitely not a rookie card either.

[anshulp]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I agree it's not easy to compare NOW cards to mass-printed cards. I have to disagree at least slightly that it's an unremarkable card simply because it immortalizes his first PL goal.

Some NOW cards today print in the tens of thousands. 61 is extraordinarily low for an early card of a hot player. Had more people understood the brand better and where it was headed, it would have printed more. That's why we're seeing an uptick in NOW sales today compared to just a year or two ago.

I understand people want to hate on the brand. Some didn't like it at first, and some never will no matter how high sales climb. But it's becoming more and more relevant in today's hobby, and to dismiss this Foden card among so many others simply because it's a NOW card or it's a print-on-demand card, is becoming more and more shortsighted.

Chiming in here, I think the card is worth a lot. I've personally received an $800 offer for one of mine on instagram. Need to send mine to PSA. Never did understand how Topps messed up the year on the bottom though.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by anshulp

Chiming in here, I think the card is worth a lot. I've personally received an $800 offer for one of mine on instagram. Need to send mine to PSA. Never did understand how Topps messed up the year on the bottom though.

Thanks for chiming in. It's definitely worth a lot.

That buy-it-now sale of $14.99 back in January was from a seller that didn't realize what he had at the time.

It's awesome you have one! You said "one of mine". Do you have more than one?

[anshulp]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Thanks for chiming in. It's definitely worth a lot.

That buy-it-now sale of $14.99 back in January was from a seller that didn't realize what he had at the time.

It's awesome you have one! You said "one of mine". Do you have more than one?

Yes I have 8

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by anshulp

Yes I have 8

Congrats!

[anshulp]

Thanks!

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Foden didn't score his first Premier League goal until 2019.

That card is from AFTER the Donruss 2018-19 release, and even the following years Prizm.

It's from 2019. It's not a rookie in any sense of the word or imagination.

Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here...

Didn't 2018-19 Panini Donruss soccer release in April of 2019?

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by fadster

I have no problem with Now cards as such and have picked up several when an interesting player pops up. The biggest selling point of Now cards is when they are the first card of a particular player, in the case of Foden it isn't the case which is why it is less interesting than others. The print run is a bonus but there needs to be an underlying reason for the card to be in demand.

My friend...

You have this listed in your Comprehensive Major Player Rookie List, (which I SO appreciate that thread you started!):

Phil Foden – 2017-18 Panini WCCF, Match Attax Extra, 2018-19 Panini Donruss

Cardboard Connection has 2018-19 Paninin Donruss as releasing on April 10th, 2019. Is that date correct? If so, is that the same product you're referring to that has Foden's RC card in it?

The reason I ask is because the Topps NOW card was printed less than two weeks later than that Donruss product release date. If the Donruss card is considered a "rookie" card, wouldn't the NOW card also be considered a rookie, even if it was printed just two weeks later?

I'm sincerely and genuinely curious about the above.

[YayNJ]

Yes it did, and still before Phil Fodens first Premier League goal.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

My friend...

You have this listed in your Comprehensive Major Player Rookie List, (which I SO appreciate that thread you started!):

Phil Foden – 2017-18 Panini WCCF, Match Attax Extra, 2018-19 Panini Donruss

Cardboard Connection has 2018-19 Paninin Donruss as releasing on April 10th, 2019. Is that date correct? If so, is that the same product you're referring to that has Foden's RC card in it?

The reason I ask is because the Topps NOW card was printed less than two weeks later than that Donruss product release date. If the Donruss card is considered a "rookie" card, wouldn't the NOW card also be considered a rookie, even if it was printed just two weeks later?

I'm sincerely and genuinely curious about the above.

So far what I've included in those lists are a combination of first release oddballs (in this case the WCCF and Match Attax both from 17/18) plus first mainstream releases (in this case Donruss) if the two are separate. For Foden the Now card doesn't quite fit into either category, the WCCF is over a year older (Feb 2018 I believe) and it's not a major release like Donruss. I have included Topps Now for several more recent players as it's been the very first (or close to) release. I have never said it isn't a rookie card, it just isn't the first. Further down the line I do want to fill out lots of entrie with minor releases, I know I'm missing lot's of them.