The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-20/21 Edition

[SDcardguy24]

Originally Posted by shizzlemynizzle

People need to stop acting like Griffin and Aldridge are the reason why the nets will have too much talent. Many people didnt think the Harden trade moved the needle for them but somehow these 2 moves do? The team was loaded before the 2 got bought out. It happens every year with contending teams and the Nets havent won a title in their history. Good on them

yeah Aldridge and Griffin are washed, but I'm sure the casual fan will see the Nets adding to more all star players

Also agree Nets fans have had it rough for a long time, must be fun to finally be a serious contender.

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

I don’t mind the way the buyout market currently works, and this is the time when everyone overreacts to it. Go back the last 10 years...how often does the buyout market truly affect the title outcome? It always seems like it’s going to have a bigger impact than it actually does. I don’t think adding Blake and Aldridge is really moving the needle for the Nets as much as people think it will.

kinda sucks that the buyout market works this way, but I think if one of the other contenders really wanted a guy like Drummond they should just trade for them instead of waiting. Same goes for a guy like Aldridge were it seemed like Miami was the favorite but then they lost out on him.

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This. The Nets without Harden were already title contenders. When they traded for him (which any team could have done) they became favorites. Blake and Aldridge obviously help, but let's not act like the Nets would be swimming in obscurity without the 2 buyouts.

The Nets were a Top-5 talent team before Harden, they were number 1 when they traded for him.

Miami, Boston, and Toronto all should have made the trade.

The biggest loser in this whole Harden saga for me was/is Milwaukee. The Bucks could have had Harden instead of Jrue/Tucker. Huge mismanagement on the part of Horst. Here is what the Bucks have given up this season:

-3 First Rounders (4 if we include the RJ Hampton move)
-3 Pick Swaps
-Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, DJ Augustin, DJ Wilson


Ipso Facto: The Bucks should have had Harden and made that play more than anybody. They could have got it done IMO. I hate this situation for Giannis. He deserves better.

still can't believe how little the Rockets ended up getting for Harden

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Dame

The low rating last year was unprecedented, Bubble atmosphere and people may say there’s no data against it, but the BLM protests may have turned off some viewers.

lowest of all time? I’m not so sure. Lebron vs KD/Irving is going to gather a lot more than last year for sure. Casuals are more inclined to tune in if it’s a great series (2016)

Last year is a poor example. Everyone knows the Heat stood no chance, and Butler isn’t exactly a tier 1 Superstar.

We’ll see. I think LA and Brooklyn are two teams your casual fan views as villains. People don’t want to see two villains go up against each other. But maybe Brooklyn is so hated LeBron turns into the good guy.

[RogerGodahell]

NY might garner more fans than last year because it's NY but maybe not. NY population 19.5 million, FLA 21.5 million. Even with LA in the finals they only had 7 million views per game on average and there's 40 million people in CA alone. ( I was wrong about the average viewer rating per game last year being 3-4 million it was actually 7)

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by kd the sniper

Drummond is going to sign with lakers today

Let's see if the same people complaining about the Nets will complain about this.

Nets sign 2 guys well past their prime= cheap championship

Lakers sign a max player in his prime will magically be fine...

[kd the sniper]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Let's see if the same people complaining about the Nets will complain about this.



Nets sign 2 guys well past their prime= cheap championship



Lakers sign a max player in his prime will magically be fine...

I said from the beginning, whoever gets Drummond out of Lakers/Nets should be the favorite to win it all

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Let's see if the same people complaining about the Nets will complain about this.

Nets sign 2 guys well past their prime= cheap championship

Lakers sign a max player in his prime will magically be fine...

It’s not fine. A huge turnoff for fans of the rest of the league.

[asujbl]

I’m going to need the Lakers to win for my collection value. You’re welcome for Drummond for free

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by rustywest

And for the record I felt the moment the Nets signed Harden they were instant title favorites who however, could be in huge trouble if they had any injuries to any of the 'big 3' because of trading away depth. Look pretty deep now...

Originally Posted by pingbling23

The only worry was depth. we’ve seen it hasn’t been a problem and then they added Aldridge and griffin.

^^these guys get the point

Originally Posted by SDcardguy24

yeah Aldridge and Griffin are washed, but I'm sure the casual fan will see the Nets adding to more all star players

kinda sucks that the buyout market works this way, but I think if one of the other contenders really wanted a guy like Drummond they should just trade for them instead of waiting. Same goes for a guy like Aldridge were it seemed like Miami was the favorite but then they lost out on him.

Not sure how much more wrong you could have been...
Aldridge is a body they needed and who can shoot from mid-range, perfect depth.
And as for trading for Drummond, there's this thing called a contract - it was large and they ended up buying him out of it.... Because it was obviously too hard to trade.

[bigjbasketball]

Not sure if anyone is watching the Hornets vs Suns but this is actually a really good game

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

He's high on LeBron pheromones. That's about it.

He's already trying to make out as if it will be some monumental ring if the Lakers make the Finals and beat them. We've seen this movie before. Over and over.

After lebron wins this year, he will have won the 3 toughest championships, according to himself lol

Originally Posted by drobfan8

It's an absolute joke.

I don't think any team over the cap should be allowed to grab these guys. We just had the trade deadline, they should be made to make a deal.

It's crazy. But I can't hate on the Nets or Lakers or whoever because it's always been a thing.

Definitely agree on the buyout candidates going to teams over the cap. Not sure how to stop it, but it would be very nice to see rules change on that.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by shizzlemynizzle

I would bet my entire collection and life savings if the Nets played in the finals, especially against the lakers it would be one of the most watched finals in league history. You think people aren't going to want to watch one of the greatest teams ever assembled?

I had no idea I was watching one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

Most don't like any of Durant, Harden and Kyrie.

They're not a great "team" either. It's gonna be an and1 mix tape of 1 on 1 vs the Lakers being controlled by LeBron.

If that is the Finals.

I actually think we'll see Philly get there and that will be pretty decent ratings I would have thought.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

NY might garner more fans than last year because it's NY but maybe not. NY population 19.5 million, FLA 21.5 million. Even with LA in the finals they only had 7 million views per game on average and there's 40 million people in CA alone. ( I was wrong about the average viewer rating per game last year being 3-4 million it was actually 7)

about 5 mil of that 21.5 mil in Florida are probably ex-NYer's and then I would assume Florida also has a lot more seniors than NY. Also, don't forget the Nets were in NJ until a few years ago, so they would have great numbers in that state as well.

Viewership should be way up from last year if we get a Nets superteam/Lakers final as opposed to a Miami Heat team no one cares about and an outspoken Lebron led squad during the bubble and all of the mess going on around that time.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

After lebron wins this year, he will have won the 3 toughest championships, according to himself lol



Definitely agree on the buyout candidates going to teams over the cap. Not sure how to stop it, but it would be very nice to see rules change on that.

LeBron and his insecurities are one of the saddest things I've seen from a Superstar of his magnitude.

But he wants his respek.

KD is literally the only player that could stop him from another title.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I had no idea I was watching one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

Most don't like any of Durant, Harden and Kyrie.

They're not a great "team" either. It's gonna be an and1 mix tape of 1 on 1 vs the Lakers being controlled by LeBron.

If that is the Finals.

I actually think we'll see Philly get there and that will be pretty decent ratings I would have thought.

RE: the bolded section. Where are you getting this data? I know we’re not supposed to talk about the real world here, but outside of BO, these guys all have big fanbases. Harden maybe less so, but Kyrie and KD both have top-selling sneakers every year. Who do you think is buying those if most don’t like them? I don’t know where this sentiment is coming from out of nowhere, but all these takes in this thread implying that the Finals will see a low rating with LAL vs BKN don’t make any sense to me. Does anyone think Utah vs. Milwaukee will get higher ratings?

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

That's correct.

Also, before you make that bet, realize the deck is stacked against you.

Damn, even if Bron is the #1 GOAT, try convincing all those '90s viewers, huh?

And if people conclude from Game 1 of the Finals that it's gonna look a lot like '17-18,
the numbers will sag as they did in '18. People like championship series that are
competitive, and my guess is that AD might be good enough to provide the value-added
of both Irving and Love in '16, but they still got creamed by the Warriors w/KD and
I think that's what this Nets team is going to look a lot like (if they're healthy).

KD getting titles like this is going to be a big fat asterisk on his HOF-pyramid-tier-argument
resume'. 2 MVP-level players in their prime on the same team pretty much means the team
is unbeatable. If you think having AD gives Bron a similar 'unfair' advantage, have a look at
MVP voting for AD compared to KD, Harden and Curry.

[SDcardguy24]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

^^these guys get the point

Not sure how much more wrong you could have been...
Aldridge is a body they needed and who can shoot from mid-range, perfect depth.
And as for trading for Drummond, there's this thing called a contract - it was large and they ended up buying him out of it.... Because it was obviously too hard to trade.

I mean Aldridge is fine as long as he doesn't take any important/closing minutes from Claxton.

Also just saw that Gorgui Dieng landed with the Spurs to replace Aldridge. Wonder how serious the Nets interest in him was. His defense is still solid & would have been a nice pickup too but in SA he get more playing time.

I know Drummond had that huge contract. I read that Boston on its own had the huge TPE amount but it was still just short of matching Drummond's salary. Guess any 3-team trade scenarios were just too complicated.

Just odd to see a younger player of Drummond's caliber land on the buyout market. Anyway I fully expect LeBron & Vogel to get him to buy in and get the most out of him kinda like what happened with Dwight last season.

[SDcardguy24]

OKC just signed Moses Brown to a multiyear deal. Him and Lu Dort were nice UDFA finds.

And looks like he's only got autos in last year's Contenders Draft & Prizm Draft and also a Panini Instant from earlier this season. The new Christian Wood!

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

RE: the bolded section. Where are you getting this data? I know we’re not supposed to talk about the real world here, but outside of BO, these guys all have big fanbases. Harden maybe less so, but Kyrie and KD both have top-selling sneakers every year. Who do you think is buying those if most don’t like them? I don’t know where this sentiment is coming from out of nowhere, but all these takes in this thread implying that the Finals will see a low rating with LAL vs BKN don’t make any sense to me. Does anyone think Utah vs. Milwaukee will get higher ratings?

Why are you talking to me about ratings? I never said a word about it.

KD is trending up this season. And he'll continue to grt love as people start to realize just how great he's been over his career..

I'm starting to wonder if he's actually better than LeBron. He would have to beat LeBron again of course to prove that.

Tell me who likes Kyrie and Harden? You need to show me actually. It's a take for me to say they're not well liked, but I would guess it's more true than false..

The media don't like Kyrie or Harden. BO certainly doesn't. Their card prices certainly don't reflect that they're widely loved.

So you tell me. Where is Kyrie in sneaker sales? Which does not mean he's loved anyway.

Of course they have fanbases. They're still stars. But they're not well liked.

[pingbling23]

lol, i dont think ive ever even seen kd in a top 10 list. now after a missed season and him only playing in 19 out of 46 games this season hes being put ahead of lebron on the all time list. drob never disappoints.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Why are you talking to me about ratings? I never said a word about it.

KD is trending up this season. And he'll continue to grt love as people start to realize just how great he's been over his career..

I'm starting to wonder if he's actually better than LeBron. He would have to beat LeBron again of course to prove that.

Tell me who likes Kyrie and Harden? You need to show me actually. It's a take for me to say they're not well liked, but I would guess it's more true than false..

The media don't like Kyrie or Harden. BO certainly doesn't. Their card prices certainly don't reflect that they're widely loved.

So you tell me. Where is Kyrie in sneaker sales? Which does not mean he's loved anyway.

Of course they have fanbases. They're still stars. But they're not well liked.

I mentioned ratings because it’s been mentioned several times in this thread already, although not specifically by you. Do I need to edit my posts so that you can follow the information that concerns you vs. the information that is only tangentially related? And it is related, because if most people don’t like those players, then ratings would be down, correct?

So, you make the claim that most don’t like them, then you provide nothing to back up that claim, and now I have to prove the opposite because you don’t want to provide data to support your original claim? Doesn’t that seem a little backwards? Then you asked for data on shoe sales, and followed it up by saying it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t mean people like him. Why would I waste my time researching shoe sales when you’ve already provided your counter argument? If I showed you data that he had a top-selling shoe, would that even matter to you at this point?

So again, who are all these people that don’t like KD, Harden, and Kyrie? And I mean outside of BO in the real world. This is kind of a rhetorical question because I know there’s no way for you to prove it, and you’ve got your kind made up anyway. Probably a more accurate way to say it is that they are immensely popular (which is actually measurable - take a look at their social media followings compared to other NBA players, all three are in the top 10), but they can be divisive. And honestly you can say that about almost any other top NBA player. Who is hugely popular and also universally loved? Maybe Giannis?

Originally Posted by pingbling23

lol, i dont think ive ever even seen kd in a top 10 list. now after a missed season and him only playing in 19 out of 46 games this season hes being put ahead of lebron on the all time list. drob never disappoints.

KD has never been in a top 10 list? He beat LeBron head-to-head (albeit on a stacked team) in 2 straight Finals and won Finals MVP both times. Pretty sure anyone who watched basketball put him in their top 3 list, let alone top 10.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

I mentioned ratings because it’s been mentioned several times in this thread already, although not specifically by you. Do I need to edit my posts so that you can follow the information that concerns you vs. the information that is only tangentially related? And it is related, because if most people don’t like those players, then ratings would be down, correct?

So, you make the claim that most don’t like them, then you provide nothing to back up that claim, and now I have to prove the opposite because you don’t want to provide data to support your original claim? Doesn’t that seem a little backwards? Then you asked for data on shoe sales, and followed it up by saying it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t mean people like him. Why would I waste my time researching shoe sales when you’ve already provided your counter argument? If I showed you data that he had a top-selling shoe, would that even matter to you at this point?

So again, who are all these people that don’t like KD, Harden, and Kyrie? And I mean outside of BO in the real world. This is kind of a rhetorical question because I know there’s no way for you to prove it, and you’ve got your kind made up anyway. Probably a more accurate way to say it is that they are immensely popular (which is actually measurable - take a look at their social media followings compared to other NBA players, all three are in the top 10), but they can be divisive. And honestly you can say that about almost any other top NBA player. Who is hugely popular and also universally loved? Maybe Giannis?



KD has never been in a top 10 list? He beat LeBron head-to-head (albeit on a stacked team) in 2 straight Finals and won Finals MVP both times. Pretty sure anyone who watched basketball put him in their top 3 list, let alone top 10.

goat list. those warriors teams would have beaten any team in history. i mean jordans bulls were knocked out of the playoffs twice by the bird celtics and 3 times by the isiah thomas pistons. i guess they are better then jordan now if thats what drob was implying.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

I mentioned ratings because it’s been mentioned several times in this thread already, although not specifically by you. Do I need to edit my posts so that you can follow the information that concerns you vs. the information that is only tangentially related? And it is related, because if most people don’t like those players, then ratings would be down, correct?

So, you make the claim that most don’t like them, then you provide nothing to back up that claim, and now I have to prove the opposite because you don’t want to provide data to support your original claim? Doesn’t that seem a little backwards? Then you asked for data on shoe sales, and followed it up by saying it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t mean people like him. Why would I waste my time researching shoe sales when you’ve already provided your counter argument? If I showed you data that he had a top-selling shoe, would that even matter to you at this point?

So again, who are all these people that don’t like KD, Harden, and Kyrie? And I mean outside of BO in the real world. This is kind of a rhetorical question because I know there’s no way for you to prove it, and you’ve got your kind made up anyway. Probably a more accurate way to say it is that they are immensely popular (which is actually measurable - take a look at their social media followings compared to other NBA players, all three are in the top 10), but they can be divisive. And honestly you can say that about almost any other top NBA player. Who is hugely popular and also universally loved? Maybe Giannis?



KD has never been in a top 10 list? He beat LeBron head-to-head (albeit on a stacked team) in 2 straight Finals and won Finals MVP both times. Pretty sure anyone who watched basketball put him in their top 3 list, let alone top 10.

I don't need to back up my claim.

KD, Harden and Kyrie are not well liked.

You go and prove me wrong.

We're on BO, you said there's people outside of BO. Cool. You show me the evidence. You're trying to prove me wrong. I don't really care enough one way or the other to prove you wrong.

If you think they're well liked. Grats

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

lol, i dont think ive ever even seen kd in a top 10 list. now after a missed season and him only playing in 19 out of 46 games this season hes being put ahead of lebron on the all time list. drob never disappoints.

Bron was the best player on the court in the '17 series. I don't know about the '18 series as I didn't bother watching it, and it appears from the ratings graph that a lot of other viewers abandoned The Show as well. (I did, however, follow the '18 WCF between GSW and HOU.)

The folks claiming that KD somehow "teabagged" Bron in '17-18 are being flat-out jerks/trolls, and everyone knows it.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I don't need to back up my claim.

KD, Harden and Kyrie are not well liked.

You go and prove me wrong.

We're on BO, you said there's people outside of BO. Cool. You show me the evidence. You're trying to prove me wrong. I don't really care enough one way or the other to prove you wrong.

If you think they're well liked. Grats

I was never trying to prove you wrong. You made a claim and I asked you how you came to your conclusion, and you said no. Cool. I’m not sure what “evidence” you are looking for here. How about this? I looked at Kyrie’s most recent 10 posts on IG. His most “liked” post got over 1.3 million likes. I also looked at the 10 most recent posts Giannis’ IG and the most liked post had 900K likes. According to my super scientific and foolproof analysis, unless people are “liking” photos ironically, Kyrie has 400K more people who like him compared to Giannis, who is generally considered well liked.

[drobfan8]

Ah ping bling my boy.

Bron lost to Dirks Mavs. KD beat them twice I think..

Bron has a losing record vs the Spurs. KD has beat them twice I think at least.

I said KD would have to beat LeBron again. I don't think he will, but it would make for a change of narrative for sure. Of course not with the LeBron fanaticals.

All I'm saying is that KD has a lot of big scalps to his name and that isn't even including his GS stint. But if you add that it's crazy.

Bron has losing records to all of the same guys.

Peace