Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[TacBacJack]

Oh man, what a set that could be made for weird deliveries and weird stances

Spahn, Marichal, Nomo, like everyone mentioned. Lincecum (though that one's coming). El Duque. Valenzuela.Robb Nen. Carter Capps.

Then Youkilis, Counsell, Tony Batista, Mickey Tettleton, Sheffield, Carew.

A lot of these would have like 3-digit print runs though.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Huge Twins fan and I'm sure you know Puckett cards really dried up after the the last phase of his life ... you're probably not going to see any Chuck Knoblauch cards either.

Looking forward to Tony Oliva, Rod Carew & Harmon Killebrew in any uniform though!

You can add known cheater Kent Hrbek to the list of players who we won't see.

[niklday]

One potentially worrying trend is that we've seen a ton of repeated players this week. I think 9/12 so far have been repeat players, and Mantle would have been if he hadn't been unavailable before this week. Tuesday and today were both all repeats, which I believe had only happened once before this week (last Monday). I'm still hoping for a good variety - in my mind, the variety is one of the advantages this has over P2020, as it could potentially provide something for everyone - but this many repeats less than a tenth of the way through would suggest we're going to get a lot of the same players we've already seen.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by JRX

I saw an interview with him and it made me question even more why someone paid that much for it other than cough money laundering cough. He was quite clear that you only own the token and he retains all the copyrights.

There's another reason. Imagine that there were some people who "believed" in certain cryptocurrencies at the beginning (a lot of the time these are the original developers of the platform like ETH's mainnet). So they were able to mine a lot of it on the cheap. These accounts do exist and these whales are monitored quite closely. So let's say you have a billion in ETH. If you realize that money, it's going to get taxed hard. It's also difficult to liquidate that into USD without affecting ETH's value in the process.

So now there are these tokens and they're a way for you to diversify your position in ETH without liquidating and getting a call from the taxman. It also insulates you somewhat from severe fluctuations in ETH if you believe that the token will hold its value relative to a basket of goods instead of the price of ETH. This is hard to imagine but I bet some of these whales see it as more stable than ETH.

So you get at least two whales bidding on something stupid and it sells for $69 million. Remember, that they have in recent memory a concept that that $69 million was, you know, $500 three years ago or whatever and they mined it for less and were able to flip those GPUs for something when they were done with them.

Cryptocurrency is a weird game but almost as fun as baseball to watch.

[Cliffroach]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

How about Boggs, Eric Davis or Puckett? Would love to see one of them...

It'd be sad if we can't get an Eric Davis card in all this.

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by niklday

One potentially worrying trend is that we've seen a ton of repeated players this week. I think 9/12 so far have been repeat players, and Mantle would have been if he hadn't been unavailable before this week. Tuesday and today were both all repeats, which I believe had only happened once before this week (last Monday). I'm still hoping for a good variety - in my mind, the variety is one of the advantages this has over P2020, as it could potentially provide something for everyone - but this many repeats less than a tenth of the way through would suggest we're going to get a lot of the same players we've already seen.

At least we have one newbie tomorrow in Ozzie Smith. Not sure who the other two are though. Probably another Griffey and Yankee.

[CardFarmer]

Vides Mantle and Pardee Trout. Dare I dip my toe into the P70 waters? Really digging all the 1990 Topps designs too.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

At least we have one newbie tomorrow in Ozzie Smith. Not sure who the other two are though. Probably another Griffey and Yankee.

[TacBacJack]

Originally Posted by niklday

One potentially worrying trend is that we've seen a ton of repeated players this week. I think 9/12 so far have been repeat players, and Mantle would have been if he hadn't been unavailable before this week. Tuesday and today were both all repeats, which I believe had only happened once before this week (last Monday). I'm still hoping for a good variety - in my mind, the variety is one of the advantages this has over P2020, as it could potentially provide something for everyone - but this many repeats less than a tenth of the way through would suggest we're going to get a lot of the same players we've already seen.

Yeah, it's worrying that we're 1.5 rounds through and we already have some players with 3 cards. Then again, the Biggio and Kaline print runs aren't exactly encouraging for artists to dip into the waters beyond the "top-tier" pool for the hobby.

[1000 Sport Zonk]

Pardee Trout: This one doesnt grab me quite as much as the Acuna, but it is still really wild. Not a set im collecting but real curious to see how this will progress and how the monsters will change over time.

Staple Piazza: The mosaic / stained glass photoshop filter he uses on the photos of the players to try and mimic the tiles of the Subway system is too false for me. It would be a cooler if they were made from squares rather than the random shapes the filter spits out (since the real subway mosaics are square tiles). I like seeing a theme and its a good idea though.

CES Munson: Nothing exciting for me here. Graffiti name on a train and the player near by.

[Flip024]

Has anyone seen anything regarding how many of each year there will be? I was hoping that it'd be evenly spread, with all 70 designs getting around the same number of cards but so far, some years have 0 while others are at 5-6.

[1000 Sport Zonk]

Originally Posted by Flip024

Has anyone seen anything regarding how many of each year there will be? I was hoping that it'd be evenly spread, with all 70 designs getting around the same number of cards but so far, some years have 0 while others are at 5-6.

Artists choice. It will not be an even distribution.

[cj828282]

Some of these pre-sellers are deceptive. Not including the Project 70 box unless requested. What is that about? Watch out for respectable_collectibles_1998.

[niklday]

Originally Posted by TacBacJack

Yeah, it's worrying that we're 1.5 rounds through and we already have some players with 3 cards. Then again, the Biggio and Kaline print runs aren't exactly encouraging for artists to dip into the waters beyond the "top-tier" pool for the hobby.

Oh yeah, I definitely understand why the artists would want to each do a Tatis, an Acuna, a Trout, etc. based on the print runs - its money in their pocket and for most that's a big consideration. (Less so for guys like Snoop, I'd imagine, but most of these artists are not in that position - maybe I need to petition Snoop for a Kyle Hendricks). I guess I meant worrying from the perspective of people who want to see something beyond just those top tier guys and anyone who has been on the Yankees roster in the last fifty years. (For what its worth, I bought the Kaline and might have gotten the Biggio if he hadn't spent the better part of the 90s beating up on my team).

[tblood]

Originally Posted by TacBacJack

Yeah, it's worrying that we're 1.5 rounds through and we already have some players with 3 cards. Then again, the Biggio and Kaline print runs aren't exactly encouraging for artists to dip into the waters beyond the "top-tier" pool for the hobby.

Do we actually need such far-reaching player diversity in this set?

Even if we get 51 Trouts, we are still getting 51 unique Trouts. It’s not like you are pulling 51 copies of the same base card from a box.



Yeah yeah, I already know the answer but wanted to ask anyway.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by tblood

Do we actually need such far-reaching player diversity in this set?

Even if we get 51 Trouts, we are still getting 51 unique Trouts. It’s not like you are pulling 51 copies of the same base card from a box.



Yeah yeah, I already know the answer but wanted to ask anyway.

the artists are really in a lose/lose/lose proposition.

LOSE: repeat p2020 players: despite their popularity, complaints of repetition ensue.
LOSE: use new nationally/regionally popular players (NY/LA/etc.): unleash the 'regional bias' complaints.
LOSE: use obscure, local fan favorites: 'yawn, boring' comments commence.

I believe they did their best to select players to showcase their art, but as they say, haters gonna hate.

[TacBacJack]

Originally Posted by BH34

the artists are really in a lose/lose/lose proposition.

LOSE: repeat p2020 players: despite their popularity, complaints of repetition ensue.
LOSE: use new nationally/regionally popular players (NY/LA/etc.): unleash the 'regional bias' complaints.
LOSE: use obscure, local fan favorites: 'yawn, boring' comments commence.

I believe they did their best to select players to showcase their art, but as they say, haters gonna hate.

Also no matter how good the card is, i'd imagine if it's the 35th Acuna, it's not selling that well. It's a difficult spot to be in.

[ketchupman36]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think its not a good thing when cards seemingly need backstories

"(card here) sucks!"

"well, did you read about its backstory? that makes it a "must buy" for me"

meh

These aren't just cards though, they are pieces of art. The backstories/interpretations of art are just as important as the piece itself.

If these were standard Topps cards then yeah we don't need backstories. I don't need a backstory on the 2021 Topps design. But P70 cards are different.

[dodgersinfinity]

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[niklday]

Originally Posted by tblood

Do we actually need such far-reaching player diversity in this set?

Even if we get 51 Trouts, we are still getting 51 unique Trouts. It’s not like you are pulling 51 copies of the same base card from a box.



Yeah yeah, I already know the answer but wanted to ask anyway.

I mean, if you like and collect those guys, it's probably great. But not everyone does. And 51 Trout cards mean 51 less chances of getting someone they do collect. Broader diversity makes it more likely that the set will include something for everyone. Again, I understand that doesn't line up well with the incentives for the artists, but I think it would be nice.

[TacBacJack]

Originally Posted by ketchupman36

These aren't just cards though, they are pieces of art. The backstories/interpretations of art are just as important as the piece itself.

If these were standard Topps cards then yeah we don't need backstories. I don't need a backstory on the 2021 Topps design. But P70 cards are different.

Backstories are added value. They can make a good card great and a great card a must-buy. But if Action Bronson made a backstory for his "Ricky Henderson" card it would still suck.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by dodgersinfinity

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ugggggghhhh....

I hate myself for wanting this.

[cjraleigh]

Originally Posted by Flip024

Has anyone seen anything regarding how many of each year there will be? I was hoping that it'd be evenly spread, with all 70 designs getting around the same number of cards but so far, some years have 0 while others are at 5-6.

It will absolutely not be evenly distributed. The best we can hope for is at least one from all 70 designs.

41/70 have appeared so far.

https://www.crtsportscards.com/project-70-by-the-years

[tblood]

I really miss AirplaneDon’s commentary and artistic insight in this thread.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by ketchupman36

These aren't just cards though, they are pieces of art. The backstories/interpretations of art are just as important as the piece itself.

If these were standard Topps cards then yeah we don't need backstories. I don't need a backstory on the 2021 Topps design. But P70 cards are different.

i guess.