Topps Sapphire Soccer - Page 79

Cpdjoe77 · 03-20-2021, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PepperDean

I think the value in this set is going to really extend beyond Haaland, Fati, and Mount long term. They'll always command a premium as rookies, obviously, but I think the values of Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, maybe Neymar, etc. will increase pretty dramatically as time goes along. Veteran base from baseball sapphire is wildly popular, and the top guys (like Mike Trout & Mookie Betts) command big prices. It's really not an exaggeration to say that Sapphire is the absolute pinnacle of regular set products (meaning excluding products like Immaculate, National Treasures, etc.), and this being the first year is going to always going to make it command a premium. For players that will have long term collector demand, like Messi & Ronaldo, I wouldn't be surprised if we see their sapphire base cards in a PSA 10 eclipse $1,000 within 6 months.

Now if only Topps would get rid of chump and sticker autos from sapphire! Hopefully update sapphire was so last minute it was just a one time sticker dump. My point is if you want this to be your pinnacle, which I agree it should be, then take out the awful auto subjects and never stickers again

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Archimedes · 03-20-2021, 03:07 PM

I'm expecting these to hit $3000-3500 per box. Consider that 2018 Topps Sapphire Baseball is selling for $5500. There are puts and takes. With baseball, you get 3 autos. So, there should be a discount, but part of that is offset by soccer being more popular than baseball. $4K probably isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Archimedes · 03-20-2021, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PepperDean

I think the value in this set is going to really extend beyond Haaland, Fati, and Mount long term. They'll always command a premium as rookies, obviously, but I think the values of Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, maybe Neymar, etc. will increase pretty dramatically as time goes along. Veteran base from baseball sapphire is wildly popular, and the top guys (like Mike Trout & Mookie Betts) command big prices. It's really not an exaggeration to say that Sapphire is the absolute pinnacle of regular set products (meaning excluding products like Immaculate, National Treasures, etc.), and this being the first year is going to always going to make it command a premium. For players that will have long term collector demand, like Messi & Ronaldo, I wouldn't be surprised if we see their sapphire base cards in a PSA 10 eclipse $1,000 within 6 months.

This guy gets it.

obenheimer · 03-20-2021, 05:55 PM

Still can't believe I paid $2.50 per card from someone on here. Probably one of the best buys in my entire life. I think it was 2-3 weeks after they came out.

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Gin&Juice · 03-20-2021, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

I'm expecting these to hit $3000-3500 per box. Consider that 2018 Topps Sapphire Baseball is selling for $5500. There are puts and takes. With baseball, you get 3 autos. So, there should be a discount, but part of that is offset by soccer being more popular than baseball. $4K probably isn't out of the realm of possibility.

People are really sleeping on the rookies of the other rookies, too. Nuno Tavares, Zlatko, Tete and Koita all could explode, too. Plus, first Sapphire of Ballon d’Or winners like Modric and Lewandowski. And, Messi and Ronaldo are close to retirement so they are unlikely to have many more Sapphires after this. $4k seems conservative. No reason these won’t surpass baseball and reach $6-7k. Especially when Haaland goes off in WC qualifying.

reddragonthe · 03-20-2021, 08:02 PM

I love it. You guys just talked this product to $200+ per card.

psochaps · 03-20-2021, 08:25 PM

So, how will people value the 2nd year sapphire when it drops in two months??
Hopefully we see Bundesliga Sapphire also next month of whenever that drops.

nephinfan · 03-20-2021, 08:27 PM

BO offer now $1350 per box. Can I get the Stepbrothers gif, please!?

PepperDean · 03-20-2021, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by psochaps

So, how will people value the 2nd year sapphire when it drops in two months??
Hopefully we see Bundesliga Sapphire also next month of whenever that drops.

Sapphire is sapphire, it will always hold nice value. But, outside of a major rookie amplifying the product (like a LeBron in 2003 Topps Chrome), it will always go for less than 2019-20. First year premiums are a real thing. If you need evidence, check first year (2017) Topps chrome soccer card values vs. 2018 and 2019. Way, way higher.

mwheeler27 · 03-20-2021, 09:03 PM

Wait...other people are JUST NOW comparing this to 2018 MLB Sapphire, (when I've been doing it since the beginning), and people are finally coming around to the idea?

Are you guys punking me? Or are you seriously finally starting to see the relationships to demand and popularity here?

Anyone who thinks, (or ever thought), this product would hit a ceiling this early in the game, seriously doesn't know or understand the brand of Sapphire.

What do you guys really think will be worth more in the end...2018 MLB Sapphire or the first UEFA Sapphire? MLB is currently priced at $8,000.

Gin&Juice · 03-20-2021, 09:13 PM

This sapphire will definitely outsell 2018 baseball when all is said and done. I forgot the He Chan Hwang and Sebastian Driussi rookies when I had it at $7k. Plus, first sapphire of Suarez, Aguero, De Bruyne, Neuer, Ramos— all all-time greats. Gem those and you are looking at another $2k in each box even if you don’t hit Haaland.

YayNJ · 03-20-2021, 10:08 PM

You're really scraping the barrel with the He Chan Hwang, 25 year old rookie that barely anyone has heard of, whom hasn't scored a goal this season yet.

Sebastian "five goals in two years" Driussi might even be worse.

Money does funny things to people.

Gin&Juice · 03-20-2021, 10:16 PM

Did I mention rookies of Lukas Hradecky, too. And the very first Sapphire cards of Kane, Van Dijk, Salah, and Mane. So many legends in this release and all featured for the first time in Sapphire. Make it $10k per box.

YayNJ · 03-20-2021, 10:19 PM

Have a drink for me dude.

Gin&Juice · 03-20-2021, 10:20 PM

Plus you can sell the empty boxes for another $500-$1k. Make it $11k.

dream34 · 03-20-2021, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

You're really scraping the barrel with the He Chan Hwang, 25 year old rookie that barely anyone has heard of, whom hasn't scored a goal this season yet.

Sebastian "five goals in two years" Driussi might even be worse.

Money does funny things to people.

He's obviously messing with people as you can tell by his escalating prices by the hour.

That being said, whether anyone likes it or not, this set has massive wheels to roll on. Topps' idea to offer them to Baseball collectors and introduce them as the "Gateway" product to their soccer line will probably not be quantified for years. If Haaland just keeps doing what he is now (or even slows down a little) he (and this Sapphire RC) will most likely have a much bigger card following than normal.

The reason a '52 Mantle has it's value is exactly why this Haaland can have massive value - The "I once had that item..." and I want it back factor.

reddragonthe · 03-20-2021, 10:31 PM

"The other guy is really messing with people and escalating this... but this could be a 1952 Mantle situation."

Just peed a little.

YayNJ · 03-20-2021, 10:32 PM

He Chan Hwang to Mickey Mantle.

Someone has clearly been dishing out the drugs behind my back

Gin&Juice · 03-20-2021, 10:36 PM

Don’t forget Zlatko!

boston12 · 03-20-2021, 11:04 PM

I picked the right time to buy my first soccer box.

nerdherd020 · 03-20-2021, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Did I mention rookies of Lukas Hradecky, too. And the very first Sapphire cards of Kane, Van Dijk, Salah, and Mane. So many legends in this release and all featured for the first time in Sapphire. Make it $10k per box.

I'll sell you a box for $10k. Will send you a PM with my PayPal address.

dream34 · 03-21-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by reddragonthe

"The other guy is really messing with people and escalating this... but this could be a 1952 Mantle situation."

Just peed a little.

Everything in sportscards centers around the 52 Mantle and the principles for why it is so valuable. The fact that this set has more new card collectors than any other soccer release recently (and maybe ever), during probably the largest increase in the soccer card market's audience again maybe ever, will most likely be pretty significant down the road. Prefaced my previous statement with "whether anyone likes it or not" because obviously some clearly do not.

FWIW, I don't pull the comp often but the last card I brought up the Mantle jumped about 15-18x in value before this time last year (read "pre-pandemic"). I'll say the same thing I said then, Good advice is good advice. No card/product will EVER be the 52 Mantle, but that doesn't mean the principles behind it's value should never be brought up ever again.

And I'll add the much needed disclaimer: Obviously I have some of these boxes stashed away. It's really a great product, no reason not to. Like everyone else, wish I had more.

mwheeler27 · 03-21-2021, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Everything in sportscards centers around the 52 Mantle and the principles for why it is so valuable. The fact that this set has more new card collectors than any other soccer release recently (and maybe ever), during probably the largest increase in the soccer card market's audience again maybe ever, will most likely be pretty significant down the road. Prefaced my previous statement with "whether anyone likes it or not" because obviously some clearly do not.

FWIW, I don't pull the comp often but the last card I brought up the Mantle jumped about 15-18x in value before this time last year (read "pre-pandemic"). I'll say the same thing I said then, Good advice is good advice. No card/product will EVER be the 52 Mantle, but that doesn't mean the principles behind it's value should never be brought up ever again.

And I'll add the much needed disclaimer: Obviously I have some of these boxes stashed away. It's really a great product, no reason not to. Like everyone else, wish I had more.

Topps NOW #11 could very well be the 52 Mantle.

Not many people wanted 1952 Topps back in the day. How many wanted Topps #11 a year and a half ago?

thenightman · 03-21-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nephinfan

BO offer now $1350 per box. Can I get the Stepbrothers gif, please!?

Ianhatcher · 03-21-2021, 10:25 AM

Sapphire down to $1695 last auction. What is going on? I was promised to the moon!!!

Who is responsible for this downward turn of events? I want names.

03-20-2021, 08:27 PM	#1958
nephinfan Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,644 nephinfan	BO offer now $1350 per box. Can I get the Stepbrothers gif, please!? __________________ "To err is human, to forgive canine." ---Anonymous.

03-20-2021, 10:08 PM	#1962
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,625 hanelcocards	You're really scraping the barrel with the He Chan Hwang, 25 year old rookie that barely anyone has heard of, whom hasn't scored a goal this season yet. Sebastian "five goals in two years" Driussi might even be worse. Money does funny things to people. Last edited by YayNJ; 03-20-2021 at 10:13 PM.

03-20-2021, 03:07 PM	#1952
Archimedes Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,805	I'm expecting these to hit $3000-3500 per box. Consider that 2018 Topps Sapphire Baseball is selling for $5500. There are puts and takes. With baseball, you get 3 autos. So, there should be a discount, but part of that is offset by soccer being more popular than baseball. $4K probably isn't out of the realm of possibility.

03-20-2021, 05:55 PM	#1954
obenheimer Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Waldorf, MD Posts: 2,655 texasnavyguy78	Still can't believe I paid $2.50 per card from someone on here. Probably one of the best buys in my entire life. I think it was 2-3 weeks after they came out. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

03-20-2021, 08:02 PM	#1956
reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	I love it. You guys just talked this product to $200+ per card.

03-20-2021, 08:25 PM	#1957
psochaps Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,360 psochaps psochaps	So, how will people value the 2nd year sapphire when it drops in two months?? Hopefully we see Bundesliga Sapphire also next month of whenever that drops.

03-20-2021, 09:03 PM	#1960
mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	Wait...other people are JUST NOW comparing this to 2018 MLB Sapphire, (when I've been doing it since the beginning), and people are finally coming around to the idea? Are you guys punking me? Or are you seriously finally starting to see the relationships to demand and popularity here? Anyone who thinks, (or ever thought), this product would hit a ceiling this early in the game, seriously doesn't know or understand the brand of Sapphire. What do you guys really think will be worth more in the end...2018 MLB Sapphire or the first UEFA Sapphire? MLB is currently priced at $8,000.

03-20-2021, 09:13 PM	#1961
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,164 edelsteind	This sapphire will definitely outsell 2018 baseball when all is said and done. I forgot the He Chan Hwang and Sebastian Driussi rookies when I had it at $7k. Plus, first sapphire of Suarez, Aguero, De Bruyne, Neuer, Ramos— all all-time greats. Gem those and you are looking at another $2k in each box even if you don’t hit Haaland.

03-20-2021, 10:16 PM	#1963
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,164 edelsteind	Did I mention rookies of Lukas Hradecky, too. And the very first Sapphire cards of Kane, Van Dijk, Salah, and Mane. So many legends in this release and all featured for the first time in Sapphire. Make it $10k per box.

03-20-2021, 10:19 PM	#1964
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,625 hanelcocards	Have a drink for me dude.

03-20-2021, 10:20 PM	#1965
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,164 edelsteind	Plus you can sell the empty boxes for another $500-$1k. Make it $11k.

03-20-2021, 10:31 PM	#1967
reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	"The other guy is really messing with people and escalating this... but this could be a 1952 Mantle situation." Just peed a little.

03-20-2021, 10:32 PM	#1968
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,625 hanelcocards	He Chan Hwang to Mickey Mantle. Someone has clearly been dishing out the drugs behind my back

03-20-2021, 10:36 PM	#1969
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,164 edelsteind	Don’t forget Zlatko!

03-20-2021, 11:04 PM	#1970
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,283	I picked the right time to buy my first soccer box.

03-21-2021, 10:25 AM	#1975
Ianhatcher Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,991 ian5555	Sapphire down to $1695 last auction. What is going on? I was promised to the moon!!! Who is responsible for this downward turn of events? I want names.