So Bosh deserving of HOF or not?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Are you that dense?

Everyone knew he was gonna be the 3rd wheel. Even Bosh.

But the dude was really overlooked at times. When he was actually a massive part of their runs.

Anyone who thinks he isn't a HOFer or could average 25 points is clueless about the game of basketball.

I’m just going off what you said.

“I seriously doubt Bosh knew what he was getting himself in to”

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Are you that dense?

Everyone knew he was gonna be the 3rd wheel. Even Bosh.

But the dude was really overlooked at times. When he was actually a massive part of their runs.

Anyone who thinks he isn't a HOFer or could average 25 points is clueless about the game of basketball.

Looking at his career arc, his PPG was on its way up as he was entering his late 20s, where he then went to MIA. So it's plausible that he was capable of scoring 25 a game for a couple/few seasons in a different environment than as third wheel in MIA.

[49ersSF]

Originally Posted by mc1

Which NBA players, inducted in the past 10-15 years, in your opinion arent deserving?

Here's a list of players I would not have in the Hall of Fame who were admitted over the last 20 years.

2002 Drazen Petrovic
2004 Maurice Stokes
2010 Gus Johnson
2010 Dennis Johnson
2012 Mel Daniels
2012 Ralph Sampson
2012 Chet Walker
2013 Richie Green
2013 Roger Brown
2014 Sarunis Marcelonis
2014 Alonzo Mouring
2014 Guy Rodgers
2015 Louie Dampier
2015 Jojo White
2016 Zelmo Beaty
2016 Yao Ming
2018 Mo Cheeks
2018 Dino Radja
2018 Charlie Scott
2019 Paul Westphal
2019 Sidney Moncrief
2019 Bobby Jones
2019 Vlade Divac
2019 Carl Braun
2019 Charles Cooper

Now...I decided to take a look at how many hall of fame players from 1980-1999 I would remove.

1982 Frank Ramsey
1983 Bill Bradley
1989 KC Jones

It seems like in 2010 someone decided that they would open the doors to players that formerly could not make it. I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

[gmunay]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Here's a list of players I would not have in the Hall of Fame who were admitted over the last 20 years.

2002 Drazen Petrovic
2004 Maurice Stokes
2010 Gus Johnson
2010 Dennis Johnson
2012 Mel Daniels
2012 Ralph Sampson
2012 Chet Walker
2013 Richie Green
2013 Roger Brown
2014 Sarunis Marcelonis
2014 Alonzo Mouring
2014 Guy Rodgers
2015 Louie Dampier
2015 Jojo White
2016 Zelmo Beaty
2016 Yao Ming
2018 Mo Cheeks
2018 Dino Radja
2018 Charlie Scott
2019 Paul Westphal
2019 Sidney Moncrief
2019 Bobby Jones
2019 Vlade Divac
2019 Carl Braun
2019 Charles Cooper

Now...I decided to take a look at how many hall of fame players from 1980-1999 I would remove.

1982 Frank Ramsey
1983 Bill Bradley
1989 KC Jones

It seems like in 2010 someone decided that they would open the doors to players that formally could not make it. I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

I agree with so many of the names above and would also add a couple more guys from the 2019 class:

Bobby Jones
Jack Sikma

I'll also add a funny story about a couple of the names on your list of guys who don't belong. Probably 15 years ago, a friend and I were debating about whether or not Dennis Johnson belonged in the HOF and I was saying no. My friend was adamant that DJ was deserving of the honor. One of the points I made was that if DJ was a HOFer, they Mo Cheeks should be in also even though I didn't think either one made the cut. Fast forward a dozen years and now BOTH guys are in.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Here's a list of players I would not have in the Hall of Fame who were admitted over the last 20 years.

2002 Drazen Petrovic
2004 Maurice Stokes
2010 Gus Johnson
2010 Dennis Johnson
2012 Mel Daniels
2012 Ralph Sampson
2012 Chet Walker
2013 Richie Green
2013 Roger Brown
2014 Sarunis Marcelonis
2014 Alonzo Mouring
2014 Guy Rodgers
2015 Louie Dampier
2015 Jojo White
2016 Zelmo Beaty
2016 Yao Ming
2018 Mo Cheeks
2018 Dino Radja
2018 Charlie Scott
2019 Paul Westphal
2019 Sidney Moncrief
2019 Bobby Jones
2019 Vlade Divac
2019 Carl Braun
2019 Charles Cooper

Now...I decided to take a look at how many hall of fame players from 1980-1999 I would remove.

1982 Frank Ramsey
1983 Bill Bradley
1989 KC Jones

It seems like in 2010 someone decided that they would open the doors to players that formally could not make it. I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

Basketball HOF started to become a joke this past decade. A lot of those guys are the equivalent of Harold Baines getting into the baseball HOF.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Here's a list of players I would not have in the Hall of Fame who were admitted over the last 20 years.

2002 Drazen Petrovic
2004 Maurice Stokes
2010 Gus Johnson
2010 Dennis Johnson
2012 Mel Daniels
2012 Ralph Sampson
2012 Chet Walker
2013 Richie Green
2013 Roger Brown
2014 Sarunis Marcelonis
2014 Alonzo Mouring
2014 Guy Rodgers
2015 Louie Dampier
2015 Jojo White
2016 Zelmo Beaty
2016 Yao Ming
2018 Mo Cheeks
2018 Dino Radja
2018 Charlie Scott
2019 Paul Westphal
2019 Sidney Moncrief
2019 Bobby Jones
2019 Vlade Divac
2019 Carl Braun
2019 Charles Cooper

Now...I decided to take a look at how many hall of fame players from 1980-1999 I would remove.

1982 Frank Ramsey
1983 Bill Bradley
1989 KC Jones

It seems like in 2010 someone decided that they would open the doors to players that formally could not make it. I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

Like I said in the Sampson case..you cannot treat this like an NBA HOF...Sampson absolutely deserves to be in based on his college career. It's not an NBA HOF

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Here's a list of players I would not have in the Hall of Fame who were admitted over the last 20 years.

2002 Drazen Petrovic
2004 Maurice Stokes
2010 Gus Johnson
2010 Dennis Johnson
2012 Mel Daniels
2012 Ralph Sampson
2012 Chet Walker
2013 Richie Green
2013 Roger Brown
2014 Sarunis Marcelonis
2014 Alonzo Mouring
2014 Guy Rodgers
2015 Louie Dampier
2015 Jojo White
2016 Zelmo Beaty
2016 Yao Ming
2018 Mo Cheeks
2018 Dino Radja
2018 Charlie Scott
2019 Paul Westphal
2019 Sidney Moncrief
2019 Bobby Jones
2019 Vlade Divac
2019 Carl Braun
2019 Charles Cooper

Now...I decided to take a look at how many hall of fame players from 1980-1999 I would remove.

1982 Frank Ramsey
1983 Bill Bradley
1989 KC Jones

It seems like in 2010 someone decided that they would open the doors to players that formerly could not make it. I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

Some of these guys are in as International players and a bunch got in as veterans.

It seems to me that many people are confused with the system and how it works.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I’m just going off what you said.

“I seriously doubt Bosh knew what he was getting himself in to”

Being the 3rd option is 1 thing.

Having LeBron fanatics talk you down to lift their hero is another thing.

Having plebs on BO think you're not worthy of the Hall is also another.

[cowboyzqna]

Yao absolutely deserves to he in the HOF.



So does Bosh.

[Dame]

I love TMAC but I don’t know how he got in. I’ll throw in Reggie Miller too.

[cowboyzqna]

8 points in 9 seconds! Reggie belongs

[49ersSF]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Some of these guys are in as International players and a bunch got in as veterans.

It seems to me that many people are confused with the system and how it works.

I get how the system works. It incorporates international and collegiate play. I'm just of the opinion it's a flawed system.

[OriginalRapsfan]

As a Raptors fan, I am biased, but based on his statistics and accomplishments I believe he deserves to get in. I have been trying to pick up a few more of his cards lately, but the prices have gone up significantly.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Here's a list of players I would not have in the Hall of Fame who were admitted over the last 20 years.

2002 Drazen Petrovic
2004 Maurice Stokes
2010 Gus Johnson
2010 Dennis Johnson
2012 Mel Daniels
2012 Ralph Sampson
2012 Chet Walker
2013 Richie Green
2013 Roger Brown
2014 Sarunis Marcelonis
2014 Alonzo Mouring
2014 Guy Rodgers
2015 Louie Dampier
2015 Jojo White
2016 Zelmo Beaty
2016 Yao Ming
2018 Mo Cheeks
2018 Dino Radja
2018 Charlie Scott
2019 Paul Westphal
2019 Sidney Moncrief
2019 Bobby Jones
2019 Vlade Divac
2019 Carl Braun
2019 Charles Cooper

Now...I decided to take a look at how many hall of fame players from 1980-1999 I would remove.

1982 Frank Ramsey
1983 Bill Bradley
1989 KC Jones

It seems like in 2010 someone decided that they would open the doors to players that formerly could not make it. I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

I've got to at least come to the defence of Zo.

NBA champion (2006)
7× NBA All-Star (1994–1997, 2000–2002)
All-NBA First Team (1999)
All-NBA Second Team (2000)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1999, 2000)
2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999, 2000)
2× NBA blocks leader (1999, 2000)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1993)
J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award (2002)
No. 33 retired by Miami Heat
Consensus first-team All-American (1992)
Consensus second-team All-American (1990)
Third-team All-American – NABC (1991)
Big East Player of the Year (1992)
2× First-team All-Big East (1990, 1992)
3× Big East Defensive Player of the Year (1989, 1990, 1992)
2× USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (1990, 2000)
NCAA blocks leader (1989)
National high school player of the year (1988)
McDonald's All-American Game MVP (1988)
2× First-team Parade All-American (1987, 1988)
Second-team Parade All-American (1986)
Virginia Mr. Basketball (1988)

That's HOF all day.

Drazen as well...

All-NBA Third Team (1993)
2× EuroLeague champion (1985, 1986)
EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (1985)
FIBA European Selection (1987)
4× Euroscar (1986, 1989, 1992, 1993)
2× Mr. Europa Award (1986, 1993)
2× FIBA Saporta Cup champion (1987, 1989)
2× FIBA Saporta Cup Finals Top Scorer (1987, 1989)
FIBA Korac Cup Finals Top Scorer (1988)
Spanish League Top Scorer (1989)
Spanish Cup winner (1989)
Spanish Cup Final Top Scorer (1989)
Yugoslav League champion (1985)
3× Yugoslav Cup winner (1985, 1986, 1988)
FIBA World Championship MVP (1986)
FIBA EuroBasket MVP (1989)
Best Athlete of Yugoslavia (1985)
Yugoslav Sportsman of the Year (1985)
Croatian Sportsman of the Year (1985, 1986)
FIBA's 50 Greatest Players (1991)
Olympic Order (1993)
50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors (2008)
No. 3 retired by Brooklyn Nets
No. 10 retired by Cibona

[drobfan8]

The Zo call of not being worthy was hilarious

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Being the 3rd option is 1 thing.

Having LeBron fanatics talk you down to lift their hero is another thing.

Having plebs on BO think you're not worthy of the Hall is also another.

Last word

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

That would be a minuscule hall.

Well, I did say that I'm a small Hall guy.

I think about a player a year would be the right size, so maybe 60-70 players total.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

The Zo call of not being worthy was hilarious

Hottest of hot takes.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

I feel bad about guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Jordan, Bird, Magic etc who were enshrined into something special only to see it watered down.

Now this part made me laugh. I don't think they really care. Everyone knows there's an unofficial HOF Pyramid regardless, and the folks you name are in the uppermost echelon(s).

[YeahBuddy]

I think it would be neat to see a list of all the teams players who had their numbers retired, and/or name hanging in the rafters.

Then it may be more like an NBA HOF as opposed to simply Basketball HOF

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by Tallboy

Okay, just keep in mind that your notion of HOF status probably doesn't really have any relationship with what the basketball HOF has ever been.

You may be right but to me that's what it should be or they should change the name to the Hall of Good Players.

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by Dame

I love TMAC but I don’t know how he got in. I’ll throw in Reggie Miller too.

Reggie absolutely deserves to be in, the Pacers would have won a championship or 2 if not for the Bulls. Even took the bulls to a game 7 in the Eastern Conference Finals. Also is top 3 all time greatest pure shooters behind only Larry Bird and now Curry.

[jcardstore]

All I gotta say is Petrovic was an amazing player who unfortunately had his career cut short but based on the entirety of his basketball resume he is 100% a HOF player.

Who cares about the NBA look at his accolades in Europe.

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

All I gotta say is Petrovic was an amazing player who unfortunately had his career cut short but based on the entirety of his basketball resume he is 100% a HOF player.

Who cares about the NBA look at his accolades in Europe.

You're not wrong. I think a lot of us, myself included were looking at this a bit wrong and more in terms of NBA HOF which is not a thing. The BB HOF looks at a players entire BB life which makes this conversation much different. I believe the NBA or heck all Professional sports leagues for that matter, should have their own HOF but thats just me.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

All I gotta say is Petrovic was an amazing player who unfortunately had his career cut short but based on the entirety of his basketball resume he is 100% a HOF player.

Who cares about the NBA look at his accolades in Europe.

Well, NBA > All other leagues..