Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 2943

vermonty · 03-12-2021, 12:15 PM

At least we didn't get CC the Brewer!

kevbojones · 03-12-2021, 12:16 PM

Ordered a bunch of cards from Wheeler during p2020, and all my p70 purchases are through his site.

You have nothing to worry about.

It'll take forever for your cards to arrive though

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

It's not just that, I know that for all the artist sets I purchase from him, I will be required to trust him past the 6 months paypal protection period. So let's see I'm in for 6x artist sets from him ... approaching my limit on trusting as far as money goes hahaha. No offense to him or anyone, just we're talking thousands, you know?

eldustino · 03-12-2021, 12:16 PM

The blob companions are outstanding. I only bought the Sand-Blob and Hurt-Blob so far, but this style is rocking and today's cards are both really nice. Must-have for player collectors IMO.

My pair makes me want to go back and find out who won the lifetime match-up between Mo and Frank, and any notable dramatic stikeouts or dingers. Hurt Blob got a PIECE of the ball in his card, though.

1000 Sport Zonk · 03-12-2021, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

Nice to see CC get a card.

Bummed he's in the pinstripes though.

Should be an Indian

Could have been the first card in a set depicting Cleveland pitchers being flown out of Ohio holding their Cy Young awards.

kevbojones · 03-12-2021, 12:20 PM

Arguably his most dominant stretch ever.

If I was an artist in this set, he would have been a Brewer on a 2008 Topps design

11-2
1.65 ERA
3 SHO
7 CG
128 K

Topps probably wouldn't let me do that though

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Originally Posted by vermonty

At least we didn't get CC the Brewer!

Oliroller · 03-12-2021, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1000 Sport Zonk

Could have been the first card in a set depicting Cleveland pitchers being flown out of Ohio holding their Cy Young awards.

Exactly. Speaking of which, I have no shot at a Trevor Bauer card do I?

eldavojohn · 03-12-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

Ordered a bunch of cards from Wheeler during p2020, and all my p70 purchases are through his site.

You have nothing to worry about.

It'll take forever for your cards to arrive though

I appreciate the assurances but they are unnecessary. Wheeler delivered about $800 of cards to me from Project 2020 and he did it amazingly fast considering Topps' lag and they were "runs" so that was added complexity. Zero errors, everything was great.

That's honestly not the issue. The issue is that if I've spend $1600 or whatever on his site already this time around, that means I've spent double. Probably other people are spending double as well -- given that he's the only source of $16 per card + print probably only compounds that. It also compounds complexity.

You're saying "he's never failed, so why question if he can succeed again?" and all I'm saying is "the stakes are much higher this time and I'm nervous." I didn't say anything negative and, quite honestly, to trust someone with that much money past my time window for a paypal case shows that I trust him more than anyone else online.

JRX · 03-12-2021, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliroller

Exactly. Speaking of which, I have no shot at a Trevor Bauer card do I?

Since he likes pitching with one eye closed, Distorted should make a card of him.

JRX · 03-12-2021, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I appreciate the assurances but they are unnecessary. Wheeler delivered about $800 of cards to me from Project 2020 and he did it amazingly fast considering Topps' lag and they were "runs" so that was added complexity. Zero errors, everything was great.

That's honestly not the issue. The issue is that if I've spend $1600 or whatever on his site already this time around, that means I've spent double. Probably other people are spending double as well -- given that he's the only source of $16 per card + print probably only compounds that. It also compounds complexity.

You're saying "he's never failed, so why question if he can succeed again?" and all I'm saying is "the stakes are much higher this time and I'm nervous." I didn't say anything negative and, quite honestly, to trust someone with that much money past my time window for a paypal case shows that I trust him more than anyone else online.

That's fair, I do think he bit off a bit too much last go around and this set is far larger. Not sure how he stores his cards or if he's limiting sales this go around.

Oliroller · 03-12-2021, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Since he likes pitching with one eye closed, Distorted should make a card of him.

100% agree. Lots don't like him, but he is a breath of fresh air in a sport that needs it. But he doesn't appeal to cancel culture.

vermonty · 03-12-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

Arguably his most dominant stretch ever.

If I was an artist in this set, he would have been a Brewer on a 2008 Topps design

11-2
1.65 ERA
3 SHO
7 CG
128 K

Topps probably wouldn't let me do that though

Oh yes, he was fantastic for them. If I recall correctly there was even some Cy Young and MVP talk (Manny in LA, too). But his time there was short, and most folks remember him more as an Indian or Yankee.

rjahn98 · 03-12-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffroach

Efdot's companions are live if you're interested. Picked up a Williams.

Picked up one each. Nice looking.

eldustino · 03-12-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

Yes. I already see Jim Thome in a Phillies uniform

Oh heck no - I trust Thome will be an Indian if he appears.

But yeah, we already got Cutch as a phillie (though I support that card).

CC as an indian would be cool, but putting him in pinstripes is appropriate.

1000 Sport Zonk · 03-12-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

If I was an artist in this set, he would have been a Brewer on a 2008 Topps design

Topps probably wouldn't let me do that though

From what I am gathering Topps hasn't made any sort of editorial mandate that they choose Yankee and Dodger players, but that if they did choose any they'll be front loaded for release.

Because for fairly inexplicable reasons they dont want to spread them out over the course of 12 months.

JRX · 03-12-2021, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliroller

100% agree. Lots don't like him, but he is a breath of fresh air in a sport that needs it. But he doesn't appeal to cancel culture.

I enjoyed his vlog last year, but at times i got the impression he was more interested in filming for his vlog than just being a teammate.

Oliroller · 03-12-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

I enjoyed his vlog last year, but at times i got the impression he was more interested in filming for his vlog than just being a teammate.

The "Free Joe Kelly" cleats were classic, but of course MLB banned them

Cliffroach · 03-12-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rjahn98

Picked up one each. Nice looking.

I should have picked up the Gwynn as well but now I'd get hit with double shipping. Maybe if it's still around, I'll grab it later. Prints have to look great in person.

WyoDeacon2K6 · 03-12-2021, 12:32 PM

Randy Johnson for the 1998 Astros was similar!

11 G/GS
10-1
1.28 ERA
4 CG (all SHO)
116 K

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

Arguably his most dominant stretch ever.

If I was an artist in this set, he would have been a Brewer on a 2008 Topps design

11-2
1.65 ERA
3 SHO
7 CG
128 K

Topps probably wouldn't let me do that though

skee · 03-12-2021, 12:33 PM

Thx for the support... this Satchel card is so personal to me, and was the first player I asked Topps about when I got the call for P70. They went out and got the rights and the reaction has been crazy. My style is all about mixing music and sports- some will be more literal, this, as some alluded to earlier in the thread, is more abstract and just felt so good.

I got known as a DJ in the mixtape era where we remixed songs and created covers based on stuff that was already in existence (without worrying about copyright, ha!) which had so many subtleties and details like you see reflected in these cards. Know they won't be for everyone but someone else nailed it- 40% music, 40% player, 20% my story... as a die hard baseball fan and card collector (and a working DJ & artist) this is the funnest project ever for me.

Here is a video that breaks down the Satchel-matic card...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apxd_z_0zd4

Oliroller · 03-12-2021, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffroach

I should have picked up the Gwynn as well but now I'd get hit with double shipping. Maybe if it's still around, I'll grab it later. Prints have to look great in person.

I have the McBlob print from the very first companion he did. They are fantastic. You will not be disappointed.

JRX · 03-12-2021, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by skee

Thx for the support... this Satchel card is so personal to me, and was the first player I asked Topps about when I got the call for P70. They went out and got the rights and the reaction has been crazy. My style is all about mixing music and sports- some will be more literal, this, as some alluded to earlier in the thread, is more abstract and just felt so good.

I got known as a DJ in the mixtape era where we remixed songs and created covers based on stuff that was already in existence (without worrying about copyright, ha!) which had so many subtleties and details like you see reflected in these cards. Know they won't be for everyone but someone else nailed it- 40% music, 40% player, 20% my story... as a die hard baseball fan and card collector (and a working DJ & artist) this is the funnest project ever for me.

Here is a video that breaks down the Satchel-matic card...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apxd_z_0zd4

What is your connection to Satchel?

Baseball4Fun · 03-12-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

That's fair, I do think he bit off a bit too much last go around and this set is far larger. Not sure how he stores his cards or if he's limiting sales this go around.

I think last time Wheeler was hosed by Topps being so far behind in shipping, and then with Topps errors / inconsistent order of shipping.

It seems like Topps is doing a much better job getting P70 cards out quickly, so I'd speculate that Wheeler is quite busy with the constant flow of cards coming in now.

Like others, I had an excellent experience with him with P2020, and I was very happy that he took on P70 - the savings really add up.

It's also great that he's offering artist subscriptions; it's convenient that I don't have to make sure I don't miss any now and get a guaranteed print at the end, plus the per card cost was even a bit cheaper than buying them one at a time through him.

kevbojones · 03-12-2021, 12:39 PM

All this stress for a print the will be totally underwhelming?

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I appreciate the assurances but they are unnecessary. Wheeler delivered about $800 of cards to me from Project 2020 and he did it amazingly fast considering Topps' lag and they were "runs" so that was added complexity. Zero errors, everything was great.

That's honestly not the issue. The issue is that if I've spend $1600 or whatever on his site already this time around, that means I've spent double. Probably other people are spending double as well -- given that he's the only source of $16 per card + print probably only compounds that. It also compounds complexity.

You're saying "he's never failed, so why question if he can succeed again?" and all I'm saying is "the stakes are much higher this time and I'm nervous." I didn't say anything negative and, quite honestly, to trust someone with that much money past my time window for a paypal case shows that I trust him more than anyone else online.

fjdlrw · 03-12-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliroller

Exactly. Speaking of which, I have no shot at a Trevor Bauer card do I?

Now that he's a Dodger, someone will probably want to do a card of him in the new uniform.

DioBrando · 03-12-2021, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbojones

All this stress for a print the will be totally underwhelming?

Agreed on the print. It "could " end up being nice, but I doubt it.

03-12-2021, 12:15 PM	#73551
vermonty Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,392	At least we didn't get CC the Brewer!

03-12-2021, 12:16 PM	#73553
eldustino Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 2,247	The blob companions are outstanding. I only bought the Sand-Blob and Hurt-Blob so far, but this style is rocking and today's cards are both really nice. Must-have for player collectors IMO. My pair makes me want to go back and find out who won the lifetime match-up between Mo and Frank, and any notable dramatic stikeouts or dingers. Hurt Blob got a PIECE of the ball in his card, though.

03-12-2021, 12:33 PM	#73569
skee Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 65 skeesports	Thx for the support... this Satchel card is so personal to me, and was the first player I asked Topps about when I got the call for P70. They went out and got the rights and the reaction has been crazy. My style is all about mixing music and sports- some will be more literal, this, as some alluded to earlier in the thread, is more abstract and just felt so good. I got known as a DJ in the mixtape era where we remixed songs and created covers based on stuff that was already in existence (without worrying about copyright, ha!) which had so many subtleties and details like you see reflected in these cards. Know they won't be for everyone but someone else nailed it- 40% music, 40% player, 20% my story... as a die hard baseball fan and card collector (and a working DJ & artist) this is the funnest project ever for me. Here is a video that breaks down the Satchel-matic card... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apxd_z_0zd4