Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 2941

JRX · 03-12-2021, 10:47 AM

Also, its Yogi print run day. Really curious to see what that one comes in at.

ThoseBackPages · 03-12-2021, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Also, its Yogi print run day. Really curious to see what that one comes in at.

should be plenty

cavsfan70 · 03-12-2021, 10:48 AM

all 3 today are cool IMO.

Figured Mookie would be more '1969' than '1973' but w/e. Still think it's cool. I'm with TBP, her actual art is immensely better... WTF. I guess that was my same reaction when I saw Bronson's mattingly cuz he actually paints crazy stuff too.

CC image is pretty cool.

in for the Skee set as BO's resident Hip Hop Head. JK, there are a "few" of us. He literally used two of my top 5 artists of all time's best album covers as inspo. All I need.

Now if Don C continues doing what he did on the first card he might be the other set I pursue. I just love the modern use of music mashup in this, but some of you do not. It's all good.

eldustino · 03-12-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BH34

FTFY -
Same thing, just new and lesser-named players/people.

*checks Gumstick Studios*

Nah, not to me. He's killed the two card designs this year so far. He did not do that in 2020. Only the Clemente is as good a card as the two he's dropped in P2021.

His 2020 cards were all real awkward (except Roberto) and basically ignored the original card designs.

BH34 · 03-12-2021, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eldustino

*checks Gumstick Studios*

Nah, not to me. He's killed the two card designs this year so far. He did not do that in 2020. Only the Clemente is as good a card as the two he's dropped in P2021.

His 2020 cards were all real awkward (except Roberto) and basically ignored the original card designs.

fair.
I'll concede that his p70 > p2020, but mainly because of the use of card designs which I hadn't noticed was ignored previously [I didnt pay much attention to his p2020 cards].

cjraleigh · 03-12-2021, 10:57 AM

Southpaws are dropping fast and furious. May need to re-evaluate. ha

Sabathia is an eventual HOfer. Hits a lot of benchmarks:

250 wins
3k strikeouts
Cy
World Champ

If Mussina gets the nod, Carsten should.

Baseball4Fun · 03-12-2021, 10:59 AM

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I will end this week with two purchases (Vides Munson and Bronson Mattingly).

I might be too old for Project 70.

After the board's reaction, I thought maybe I was the only one here who bought the Bronson Mattingly lol.

Questionable photoshop or not, I like the colors and the 70's vibe from it.

eldustino · 03-12-2021, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BH34

fair.
I'll concede that his p70 > p2020, but mainly because of the use of card designs which I hadn't noticed was ignored previously [I didnt pay much attention to his p2020 cards].

He also changed the way players are "rendered" ... not sure what the technique was before, but it didn't work about half the time or more. So far seems he's using photos instead of trying to art the player images up as much. Who knows if it will hold up.

I'm always down for debate! But yeah, he used images of players in 2020 but I did not like what he did with card designs, and in 2021 is 2/2 with nice nods to 2021 and 1959, but doing his cartoon thing!

BH34 · 03-12-2021, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eldustino

He also changed the way players are "rendered" ... not sure what the technique was before, but it didn't work about half the time or more. So far seems he's using photos instead of trying to art the player images up as much. Who knows if it will hold up.

I'm always down for debate! But yeah, he used images of players in 2020 but I did not like what he did with card designs, and in 2021 is 2/2 with nice nods to 2021 and 1959, but doing his cartoon thing!

interesting, would never have noticed that without you pointing it out.
thanks!

1000 Sport Zonk · 03-12-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by eldustino

He also changed the way players are "rendered" ... not sure what the technique was before, but it didn't work about half the time or more. So far seems he's using photos instead of trying to art the player images up as much. Who knows if it will hold up.

I dunno about that, I would say they are rendered in the exact same manner. Other than Jackie and Gooden he recreated the photo used on the cards in 2020. I think maybe you are liking the renderings of Lasorda and CC moreso since he chose more animated photos for both of them (to recreate).

JRX · 03-12-2021, 11:17 AM

I thought we were getting Blake Acuna today or did topps not feel comfortable without having a Yankee and a Dodger?

eldustino · 03-12-2021, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 1000 Sport Zonk

I dunno about that, I would say they are rendered in the exact same manner. Other than Jackie and Gooden he recreated the photo used on the cards in 2020. I think maybe you are liking the renderings of Lasorda and CC moreso since he chose more animated photos for both of them (to recreate).

I don't disagree with this. The portraits for me are more awkward, so it might just be these 2021 images work better.

I didn't like the rendering on the Trout either. So there's some recency bias.

eldustino · 03-12-2021, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

I thought we were getting Blake Acuna today or did topps not feel comfortable without having a Yankee and a Dodger?

3/15 is the date he's given. The other notable date/card combo we know is 3/22 for LT's Gherig. There might be more.

Shinjoy · 03-12-2021, 11:20 AM

I'd rank the Cartoons:
1) Clemente
2) Lasorda <like a better version of his Bob Gibson>
3) Sabathia <like a better version of his Willie Mays>
4) Rickey

I don't think there's a huge difference between the two sets so far, but I agree with Zonk that he's using more exciting player images. And, he's telling a story (to me, maybe not to everyone else) with the Topps designs that he's choosing.

BigEd · 03-12-2021, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

I thought we were getting Blake Acuna today or did topps not feel comfortable without having a Yankee and a Dodger?

3/15 has been bandied about for quite a while.

aeast317 · 03-12-2021, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

I thought we were getting Blake Acuna today or did topps not feel comfortable without having a Yankee and a Dodger?

I think I heard Blake say 3/15 during his livestream, so Monday

JRX · 03-12-2021, 11:24 AM

All these Yankees and Dodgers remind me of the Simpsons when Homer goes to space and they're watching a launch and the crew is made up of a mathematician a different kind of mathematician and a statistician.

Shinjoy · 03-12-2021, 11:30 AM

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All these Yankees and Dodgers remind me of the Simpsons when Homer goes to space and they're watching a launch and the crew is made up of a mathematician a different kind of mathematician and a statistician.

We got Satchel Paige in a KC uni today.

And, the Dodgers won the WS last year. Mookie deserves a bunch of cards.

ThoseBackPages · 03-12-2021, 11:33 AM

didnt Seager win WS MVP?

Oliroller · 03-12-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

All these Yankees and Dodgers remind me of the Simpsons when Homer goes to space and they're watching a launch and the crew is made up of a mathematician a different kind of mathematician and a statistician.

If it keeps up it will eventually drive a portion of the collectors of this set away. Let's see another round or two though. I still think it's wrong that any P2020 artist redoes any player from that set. Blake mentioned doing Mattingly and Rickey Henderson again. Why? How many thousands of players have played baseball?? And I'm sorry but I don't buy the PR argument. Trout yes. But Mattingly and Rickey don't move the needle. Hell, Jo Adell did a high PR. Look at that as an example. Use some newer, younger faces.

templeusox · 03-12-2021, 11:34 AM

The Yankee/Dodger thing is actually comical at this point. And I like the Betts' card.

BigEd · 03-12-2021, 11:36 AM

I could do with a Seager card or two. Thanks for the idea, TBP!

aeast317 · 03-12-2021, 11:37 AM

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thats true. what year topps card is the paige?

1965--did the flag not give it away?

vermonty · 03-12-2021, 11:38 AM

Well, got a $170 AP today. Earlier than card 120 which was my guess...

Oliroller · 03-12-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by vermonty

Well, got a $170 AP today. Earlier than card 120 which was my guess...

Hope it wasn't Palmer

03-12-2021, 11:33 AM	#73519
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03-12-2021, 11:36 AM	#73522
BigEd Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,933 thecasualcardcollector biged	I could do with a Seager card or two. Thanks for the idea, TBP! __________________ "How you portray yourself anonymously is a better representation of character than in settings with tangible repercussions." -JVB

03-12-2021, 10:47 AM	#73501
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 16,070	Also, its Yogi print run day. Really curious to see what that one comes in at.

03-12-2021, 10:48 AM	#73503
cavsfan70 Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: OH > TN > NC Posts: 1,196 nosebleed70 bigcontracts	all 3 today are cool IMO. Figured Mookie would be more '1969' than '1973' but w/e. Still think it's cool. I'm with TBP, her actual art is immensely better... WTF. I guess that was my same reaction when I saw Bronson's mattingly cuz he actually paints crazy stuff too. CC image is pretty cool. in for the Skee set as BO's resident Hip Hop Head. JK, there are a "few" of us. He literally used two of my top 5 artists of all time's best album covers as inspo. All I need. Now if Don C continues doing what he did on the first card he might be the other set I pursue. I just love the modern use of music mashup in this, but some of you do not. It's all good.

03-12-2021, 10:57 AM	#73506
cjraleigh Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,049 cjraleigh	Southpaws are dropping fast and furious. May need to re-evaluate. ha Sabathia is an eventual HOfer. Hits a lot of benchmarks: 250 wins 3k strikeouts Cy World Champ If Mussina gets the nod, Carsten should.

03-12-2021, 11:17 AM	#73511
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 16,070	I thought we were getting Blake Acuna today or did topps not feel comfortable without having a Yankee and a Dodger?

03-12-2021, 11:20 AM	#73514
Shinjoy Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 1,804	I'd rank the Cartoons: 1) Clemente 2) Lasorda <like a better version of his Bob Gibson> 3) Sabathia <like a better version of his Willie Mays> 4) Rickey I don't think there's a huge difference between the two sets so far, but I agree with Zonk that he's using more exciting player images. And, he's telling a story (to me, maybe not to everyone else) with the Topps designs that he's choosing.

03-12-2021, 11:24 AM	#73517
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 16,070	All these Yankees and Dodgers remind me of the Simpsons when Homer goes to space and they're watching a launch and the crew is made up of a mathematician a different kind of mathematician and a statistician.

03-12-2021, 11:34 AM	#73521
templeusox Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: New Jersey Posts: 99 templeusox	The Yankee/Dodger thing is actually comical at this point. And I like the Betts' card.

03-12-2021, 11:38 AM	#73524
vermonty Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,392	Well, got a $170 AP today. Earlier than card 120 which was my guess...