Uh oh...trouble in Brady Championship Ticket PWCC $1.2 million land - Page 2

thenwhatjk · 03-05-2021, 10:05 AM

How great is that?

pejc300 · 03-05-2021, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mallowciraptor

Not that I have a lot of trust in PWCC auctions to begin with but I think (and hope) it's a simple photoshop error. They should have known the image would be scrutinized like crazy and paid more attention to the details.

You know the card is going to get national news. Why would you photoshop something like this anyway? That makes zero sense. There is no benefit to photoshopping in this situation.

Mister2Bits · 03-05-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The Probstein BGS case is absolutely not fake.

There have been no fake BGS slabs with white flips.

The flip has a perforated bottom edge.

The PAT number is missing from the slab, which is not c/w fakes that are only missing the period between 'T' and the patent number.

This is good info. Thanks

Brian48 · 03-05-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

You know the card is going to get national news. Why would you photoshop something like this anyway? That makes zero sense. There is no benefit to photoshopping in this situation.

Unless you F'd up and realized you didn't have a good pic of the card for marketing purposes until AFTER you sent the thing off to the new owner. Still a dumb move. Should have gone with no pic instead.

lbailey · 03-05-2021, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian48

Unless you F'd up and realized you didn't have a good pic of the card for marketing purposes until AFTER you sent the thing off to the new owner. Still a dumb move. Should have gone with no pic instead.

You nailed it.

Jay9Suited · 03-05-2021, 11:07 AM

PWCC made a statement via IG.

auburn35 · 03-05-2021, 11:08 AM

Interesting for sure.

Was there an actual listing of the card PWCC sold (buyer shared an image?) or do we only have the suspect advertisement images?

PWCC previously sold 5/100, so if that's the actual card in this sale, they have legit photos of that one.

KhalDrogo · 03-05-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

PWCC made a statement via IG.

Yup. Some idiot photoshopped it because they didn't have a photo of it.

mc1 · 03-05-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

Interesting for sure.

Was there an actual listing of the card PWCC sold (buyer shared an image?) or do we only have the suspect advertisement images?

PWCC previously sold 5/100, so if that's the actual card in this sale, they have legit photos of that one.

They do. The actual card is the 005/100. The photoshopped part is just the label.

auburn35 · 03-05-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

They do. The actual card is the 005/100. The photoshopped part is just the label.

In the referenced PWCC update, it appears 29/100 (previous Probstein123 listing) was the actual card sold.

PWCC employees must be too busy filming guests ransack the vault, they can't get images of the new submissions.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1446804

pcptrade · 03-05-2021, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

In the referenced PWCC update, it appears 29/100 (previous Probstein123 listing) was the actual card sold.

PWCC employees must be too busy filming guests ransack the vault, they can't get images of the new submissions.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1446804

So it was a BGS 8.5 that sold for 1.2 million and not BGS 8? I am confused

metsandweezer · 03-05-2021, 12:26 PM

Brady cards to the moon!

mc1 · 03-05-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

In the referenced PWCC update, it appears 29/100 (previous Probstein123 listing) was the actual card sold.

PWCC employees must be too busy filming guests ransack the vault, they can't get images of the new submissions.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1446804

They sold BGS serial #0005477999 but photoshopped the other card?

BostonNut · 03-05-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

How great is that?

Pants UP!!!

oplum29 · 03-05-2021, 12:49 PM

honest mistake?

everybody relax now, we good! hahaha still awesome news to hear

Brian48 · 03-05-2021, 12:50 PM

Wow. That didn't take long to make it to the news.

Rovell: Details on the $1 Million Tom Brady Rookie Card Controversy

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Jesse Craig, PWCC’s Director of Business Development, told The Action Network that he brokered the sale to FitBit CEO James Park and that Park has the card with the original image that was posted by Probstein on eBay.

Because the card was sent directly to Park, and there was only one image of that card that had a glare, Craig said, unbeknownst to him, the marketing department unilaterally decided to photoshop in another image of a Brady championship ticket that one went through PWCC’s hands.

oplum29 · 03-05-2021, 12:54 PM

any publicity is good publicity for them isn't it? it was an honest mistake, but the deal is solid

hugh · 03-05-2021, 01:09 PM

The fact that they cut off the back pic so you can't see the numbering is super suspicious

oplum29 · 03-05-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hugh

The fact that they cut off the back pic so you can't see the numbering is super suspicious

probably didn't think the card nerds, or whatever i guess we are called, wouldn't pickup on the Serial #.

i don't care much about that stuff, but others do, mad respect to them, they are keeping the hobby honest.

hugh · 03-05-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

probably didn't think the card nerds, or whatever i guess we are called, wouldn't pickup on the Serial #.

i don't care much about that stuff, but others do, mad respect to them, they are keeping the hobby honest.

It looks like a deliberate attempt to hide the numbering. Who takes pics like that of any card, let alone a $1M card?

JohnnyHatesJazz · 03-05-2021, 01:41 PM

Why even bring photoshop into this? Why photoshop the serial number?

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pejc300 · 03-05-2021, 02:05 PM

The incompetency shown by PWCC in this case is truly astounding. You sell the most expensive football card ever. You know it's going to be all over the news. And you not only don't show a picture of the actual card that sold, but you photo shop another card into a BGS holder? Absurd.

And don't even get me started on the obscured serial #. Shady is as Shady does.

3124508 on COMC · 03-05-2021, 02:10 PM

Jesse Craig is the salt of the earth.

auburn35 · 03-05-2021, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

So it was a BGS 8.5 that sold for 1.2 million and not BGS 8? I am confused

Confusing, for sure.

It appears PWCC was a middlemen, between the buyer and the Probstein123 BGS 8 (29/100) listing.

In the linked Darren Rovell article, its suggested this BGS 8 might have been bumped to a BGS 8.5, graded on Wednesday.

Have to wait until BGS 8.5 (12856214) pops up to confirm that side of the story.

pejc300 · 03-05-2021, 02:19 PM

If I'm not mistaken, if a card receives a "bump" in grade it doesn't get a new BGS serial #. the stats on the card will just change but the graded date won't change, right?

That 8.5 would be a "new" card which would mean someone would have had to break the card out and re-sub (a million dollar risk). Of course, when you're talking this kind of money, PWCC, Probstein, Goldin -all those guys have connections with both grading companies and can do whatever they want basically. Anonymity goes out the door at that point.

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auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,358	Interesting for sure. Was there an actual listing of the card PWCC sold (buyer shared an image?) or do we only have the suspect advertisement images? PWCC previously sold 5/100, so if that's the actual card in this sale, they have legit photos of that one. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

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Jay9Suited Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,252	PWCC made a statement via IG.

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hugh Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Military APO in Italy Posts: 11,160	The fact that they cut off the back pic so you can't see the numbering is super suspicious

03-05-2021, 02:05 PM	#47
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,726	The incompetency shown by PWCC in this case is truly astounding. You sell the most expensive football card ever. You know it's going to be all over the news. And you not only don't show a picture of the actual card that sold, but you photo shop another card into a BGS holder? Absurd. And don't even get me started on the obscured serial #. Shady is as Shady does.

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03-05-2021, 02:19 PM	#50
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,726	If I'm not mistaken, if a card receives a "bump" in grade it doesn't get a new BGS serial #. the stats on the card will just change but the graded date won't change, right? That 8.5 would be a "new" card which would mean someone would have had to break the card out and re-sub (a million dollar risk). Of course, when you're talking this kind of money, PWCC, Probstein, Goldin -all those guys have connections with both grading companies and can do whatever they want basically. Anonymity goes out the door at that point.