pcsportscards group submission thread(Results/General info)

[LTLurker]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

You guys earned my business, but definitely looking forward to the return of grade to consign. That is most critical for me.

Agreed Grade to Consign (no money out of pocket) is most critical to me as well.


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[Rs1826]

Originally Posted by saunders

No burner account. This is my opinion. Obviously u disagree. I’ve been collecting cards for years. I’ve seen the ups and downs in the hobby. The last year and a half has brought in more people who are more concerned with making money than actually collecting cards. This is what has caused an increase in submissions for grading and led to the long wait periods. Look at the number of cards Josh has been subbing on a weekly basis. Now also consider their are numerous other group subbers doing the same thing along with individuals. What do u expect PSA to do? Higher more people? Sure? They need to be trained properly though and when you hire more people you run the risk of quality control issues. It’s a no win situation for PSA. They needed to price people out of subbing every card someone pulled. Did y’all see the pics people posted of cards they were sending in before the price hike. So much junk. Welcome to the junk slab era.

I agree with what you are saying here. My biggest concern and what I was referring to with my post are the submissions that seem to have been forgotten about. There are a decent amount that have not moved while subs that were entered long after have finished and have been shipped back. I’m a collector as well but I truly do not care what others are doing. I would like to see FIFO with the orders but currently that does not seem like a priority.

[saunders]

Originally Posted by Rs1826

I agree with what you are saying here. My biggest concern and what I was referring to with my post are the submissions that seem to have been forgotten about. There are a decent amount that have not moved while subs that were entered long after have finished and have been shipped back. I’m a collector as well but I truly do not care what others are doing. I would like to see FIFO with the orders but currently that does not seem like a priority.

Yeah I agree with the forgotten subs. They sure did drop the ball in that aspect. Should have had a better check and balances in place when it came to the date subs were sent, checked in and then completed. It would seem organization could have been better handled.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Rs1826

I agree with what you are saying here. My biggest concern and what I was referring to with my post are the submissions that seem to have been forgotten about. There are a decent amount that have not moved while subs that were entered long after have finished and have been shipped back. I’m a collector as well but I truly do not care what others are doing. I would like to see FIFO with the orders but currently that does not seem like a priority.

You cant have FIFO when the services rendered on times are based on different price levels. Why should someone that chose the cheapest turnaround get equal time in service as someone who pays premiums for quicker turn around?

Those who clog the system should be penalized in my opinion. You either pay larger premiums or wait the the longest for submitting 5000ct of a single base card from topps. The best way to move forward is to return all bulk orders to customers and let them re submit under the new price and see if they would send the same cards!!

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

You cant have FIFO when the services rendered on times are based on different price levels. Why should someone that chose the cheapest turnaround get equal time in service as someone who pays premiums for quicker turn around?

Those who clog the system should be penalized in my opinion. You either pay larger premiums or wait the the longest for submitting 5000ct of a single base card from topps. The best way to move forward is to return all bulk orders to customers and let them re submit under the new price and see if they would send the same cards!!

I'd assume he means using FIFO in each service level.

1. Packages come in and should be sorted by service level.
2. FIFO.

Has always seemed pretty simple to me too, to do that. BUT, I'm also not dealing with 10 million cards waiting to be graded. I can't even image what Josh goes through, with all the mail, let alone PSA. BUT, it sure seems like it could(and hopefully will...)be ran a lot better under the new ownership.

PS. I'm sticking with PC no matter if they're a few bucks more OR quite a bit more than other group sub's. In my opinion, you can't put a price on TRUST, and I trust them.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Rs1826

I’m a collector as well but I truly do not care what others are doing. I would like to see FIFO with the orders but currently that does not seem like a priority.

FIFO might be possible for ultra-modern and vintage, but nothing else. Look at Standard and above. They don't have graders who can do Pokemon, 52 Topps BB, 2018 NT BKB, 2019 Prizm, T206, and 1965 Topps FB. Those are the kinds of mixed subs they get. So those have to go from one grader to the next, lengthening the turnaround times.

If you want your subs back fast, you need to submit your own orders, make them small, and do cards that are in the same general category.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by saunders

My question to you would be what would u have had PSA do to keep up with the demand? Thousands of cards coming in on a weekly basis. Just can’t pull people off the street and train them how to grade cards and think they will try to do a good job. You have to find people in the industry already that enjoy the hobby. I do think Nat will put policies in place that will help alleviate some of the issues. I think getting rid of “turnaround times” is a good start along with the price hike.

The turnaround times were false advertising, plain and simple. They should have been done with a long time ago.

[joceltics34]

So if we have an order sitting at PSA through PCS and it still hasn't been graded. If we get upcharged are we going to be upcharged based on new prices or the older prices? Considering PSA received it before the increase.

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[BRob1]

I guess what i am wondering is this, maybe someone answered and I missed it. For the last x months there was a service level at $25 that was only available to group submitters. That level has increased to $50 on PSA’s website, but still shows suspended. Based on what is known, do group subs still have access to that level?


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[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I guess what i am wondering is this, maybe someone answered and I missed it. For the last x months there was a service level at $25 that was only available to group submitters. That level has increased to $50 on PSA’s website, but still shows suspended. Based on what is known, do group subs still have access to that level?


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No. We don’t.

[regularp]

This may have already been answered, but are payments being made on recent completions just sending the money and leaving a note for which sub it belongs to? Clicking the links on the site used to pull up directly to your order and total and it's not doing that at the moment.

I'm referring to Bulk sub .213 for what it's worth.

[The_Reverend]

All I can say is thank you Josh for everything your team and you did for the community. I am indeed grateful because I would not have become a grader without your services. I am confident it will all work out. When the prices and services are put out there, might be a good time for that “paid” service with perks, we will all be able to make more informed decisions. I have a feeling what will take place, but am holding my thoughts. High end/value cards will still get my express business, I am not sending my LeBron pick ups to any other company or through any other service. I looked and fir all the positive talk about the other new services, I see very few big dollar cards in their slabs, even when I look at videos of what people are sending to them.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

No. We don’t.

thats a big yikes on PSAs part, eliminating all service levels between bulk and express.

[giovipks]

Originally Posted by regularp

This may have already been answered, but are payments being made on recent completions just sending the money and leaving a note for which sub it belongs to? Clicking the links on the site used to pull up directly to your order and total and it's not doing that at the moment.

I'm referring to Bulk sub .213 for what it's worth.

Yeah it’s not working how it did for me also. I have to input my own totals.

Not having the former “standard” level really sucks. I had stuff I wanted back quicker than bulk but wasn’t feeling like paying $50 per card for it when I put my own sub in. Now it looks like I’ll actually have to pay even more if I want them graded or just sell raw. Sadness.


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[mredsox89]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

No. We don’t.

Yikes. If there's nothing between $25/card Ultra Modern bulk and $100/card service, that makes this a lot more complicated

Now that said, it's only complicated because bulk takes 9-18 months. If bulk was even consistently 6-9 months or better, then it wouldn't be nearly the problem it appears to be

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by giovipks

Yeah it’s not working how it did for me also. I have to input my own totals.

Not having the former “standard” level really sucks. I had stuff I wanted back quicker than bulk but wasn’t feeling like paying $50 per card for it when I put my own sub in. Now it looks like I’ll actually have to pay even more if I want them graded or just sell raw. Sadness.


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I’ll have my guys look at the links and correct them.

[JCMD]

Hey Josh - I sent in one last personal that arrived Saturday morning, you said you got all of them taken care of and personals received an email but I did not - just wondering if it got in during the craziness of beating the March 1 deadline.

Tyler H was the name.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by JCMD

Hey Josh - I sent in one last personal that arrived Saturday morning, you said you got all of them taken care of and personals received an email but I did not - just wondering if it got in during the craziness of beating the March 1 deadline.

Tyler H was the name.

Email groupsubs@pcsportscards.com

If any mail arrived after 9 am est on Saturday we didn’t get it so there is a chance some didn’t get in. I didn’t really ever think of that until now.

[chiefsncards275]

Originally Posted by anusinha

thats a big yikes on PSAs part, eliminating all service levels between bulk and express.

It’s actually very smart on their part for the time being. You either pay a lot and get it back fast or you wait forever. Let’s them cash in on the people who can’t wait while catching up on their backlog. I bet eventually they come up with an in between level when they are caught up.


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[Stech36]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

You guys earned my business, but definitely looking forward to the return of grade to consign. That is most critical for me.

You guys are great at everything, but this is pretty much the only reason I sub through you. Otherwise I would just send direct on my account.

Especially now that standard seems to be gone.

[Flkrsn5]

Josh, I know you and your crew are busy, but when you end up calling your PSA rep, can you please ask them when they plan on getting to Standard.71? I think the last time they said they were “getting to it,” but we’ve now had a good amount of bulks and standards subbed that day or after who have moved a hell of a lot quicker. It was received within a month I believe and stuck in grading for 6 and it’s only 125 or so cards, which isn’t a lot compared to those subs that have been “completed.” In fact, it is about half of those completed. Thanks in advance!

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by mredsox89

Yikes. If there's nothing between $25/card Ultra Modern bulk and $100/card service, that makes this a lot more complicated

Now that said, it's only complicated because bulk takes 9-18 months. If bulk was even consistently 6-9 months or better, then it wouldn't be nearly the problem it appears to be

Look at it this way, they essentially dropped 'bulk' ($9-$15) and kept 'standard' ($25, up to $499 DV). Stop sending us $1 cards.

When ultra-modern went $12 to $15, I pulled back a few cards I would have sent before. Now $15 to $25....I'll pull back a few more I would have sent in my next bulk. I can't be the only one thinking this way...fewer cards will be submitted. Turnaround times will improve. I'm done buying $3-10 raw cards to grade. Time to buy $25-100+ instead.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Look at it this way, they essentially dropped 'bulk' ($9-$15) and kept 'standard' ($25, up to $499 DV). Stop sending us $1 cards.

When ultra-modern went $12 to $15, I pulled back a few cards I would have sent before. Now $15 to $25....I'll pull back a few more I would have sent in my next bulk. I can't be the only one thinking this way...fewer cards will be submitted. Turnaround times will improve. I'm done buying $3-10 raw cards to grade. Time to buy $25-100+ instead.

I agree with this, I have enjoyed buying $5-10 cards of prospects for grading purposes, that is less attractive now. I understand why PSA would want to grade fewer of these type cards.

Where I feel the pinch is on something like a Joe Burrow Optic. $50 raw card. Would like to have that back before next season, don’t really want to pay 2x what the card is worth in grading fees.

Old world I would pay $25 to have it back in 4-5 months. Would still pay $50 to have it back before the season. Not paying $100 to grade a $50 card, and at $25 it’s going to completely miss the season most likely. There’s a whole price tier of cards that got pinched.


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[mmayville]

Originally Posted by saunders

This statement is completely asinine. Nat Turner just came out and said there is currently a 10 million card backlog at PSA. 10 MILLION! The long wait times are not a result of PSA not working hard or caring. It’s a direct result of new “investors” being greedy and thinking EVERY card needs to be graded so they can milk every cent out of it. Everyone complaining about the current wait times for PSA subs are also directly responsible for the current situation PSA is in. PSA is not to blame for any of this, the current state of this so called “hobby” is, although I venture to guess very few people in here actually are into collecting cards for the hobby aspect.

Bravo! Preach brother, preach!
Too many people see PSA as an ATM...send cards in, cash comes out..... then complain it is taking too long.

10 times as many people grading, during a time when there are necessary shut downs and unexpected, unavoidable delays...

Patience’s is not a virtue...it’s a necessity!

[JCMD]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Email groupsubs@pcsportscards.com

If any mail arrived after 9 am est on Saturday we didn’t get it so there is a chance some didn’t get in. I didn’t really ever think of that until now.

Emailed them - it was delivered at 7:30 am.