J.J. Watt to Cardinals ... - Page 6

epatmythes · 03-01-2021, 09:33 PM

As a Packers fan, yeah, I was hopeful JJ would come home to Wisconsin. I really, really, really thought he might be in play for $10-12M deal to come to a legit 2021 contender... and was hoping for a little of the Reggie White affect. Not so much I expected him to dominate on the field like Reggie did... but at least to dominate in the locker room and get our defense operating like a well oiled machine.

For you non-Packers fans... can you name a Packers defensive player from our 1996 championship not named Reggie White or LeRoy Butler? If you can, I owe you a cookie! I've been watching the Packers for 38 years, and besides Reggie, that one of the best no-names defenses I've ever seen. They played perfectly as an 11 man unit.

If JJ could have inspired that on our current defensive unit, god forbid even if he only played 8 games and had 3-5 sacks... it be worth $10M+ a year. It's a shot our defense could use!

But, it didn't happen, he chose the Cardinals. Just as a football fan, that baffles me.

He walked away from $17.5 million for his last year in Houston... to take $15.5M/year without $23M guaranteed.

He, of already great wealth, only got himself another $5.5M to go to Arizona. It doesn't make sense to me. It just doesn't. There must be something he really likes about that team that we're not seeing!

ARZ might just be an interesting watch next year. I like JJ, so I hope he made the right call. God willing, he's right, and it's GB vs. ARZ in the NFC championship... I hope we show him he made the "wrong" choice!!!

Siberian13 · 03-01-2021, 09:43 PM

Does Arizona have any more room to add additional free agents like the Bucs did last year? What are their main weaknesses on offense and defense?

mike1498 · 03-01-2021, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Does Arizona have any more room to add additional free agents like the Bucs did last year? What are their main weaknesses on offense and defense?

No. We now probably won't be able to resign Reddick or Peterson. An argument could be made that they both weren't crucial because Peterson looked bad this year and although young Reddick finally had a strong year. To Reddicks credit, he was primarily used as a MLB when but played OLB in college. When we moved him back to OLB he excelled. I don't know if that was coincidental or he was being utilized wrong. Even though the later may be more true I'd be afraid to see how that experiment turns out off only one years data even if the reason was the organizations fault.

Our biggest needs are honestly WR, CB and RB to be honest. I think Drake will test FA and end up resigning back with us. Murphy will become CB 1 but we need someone on the other side if we can't bring back peterson. We obviously have Hopkins and Kirk, but we either need to develop Isabella or Johnson or else we only have two WRs.

Peacenukka1129 · 03-01-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny1984

Why are people so adamant that he chased the money and didn’t go to a contender? They were 8-8 last year with a three win increase from the year prior. Kyler improved his QBR by 12 and took 21 less sacks. He’s as dynamic as is gets for young QBs in the league. Paired with a top 3 WR and now an automatically improved defense. How is this team not legit? Is it just the name that scares people off? This isn’t the Lions we’re talking about here.

They were 8-8 with every lucky bounce going their way. They were a few bad bounces away from being 5-11 6-10. Kyler was being figured out just as Lamar has been by the end of the year. Watt takes up all their remaining cap room, when they couldn’t make it to the playoffs with the weapons they had with luck on their side. Drake Hopkins Kyler isn’t going to get them into the playoffs let alone a super bowl, and Watt had been preaching he’d play for peanuts to win a SB and needed a contender

rman112 · 03-01-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

No. We now probably won't be able to resign Reddick or Peterson. An argument could be made that they both weren't crucial because Peterson looked bad this year and although young Reddick finally had a strong year. To Reddicks credit, he was primarily used as a MLB when but played OLB in college. When we moved him back to OLB he excelled. I don't know if that was coincidental or he was being utilized wrong. Even though the later may be more true I'd be afraid to see how that experiment turns out off only one years data even if the reason was the organizations fault.

Our biggest needs are honestly WR, CB and RB to be honest. I think Drake will test FA and end up resigning back with us. Murphy will become CB 1 but we need someone on the other side if we can't bring back peterson. We obviously have Hopkins and Kirk, but we either need to develop Isabella or Johnson or else we only have two WRs.

Reddick's easily one of the most intriguing free agents in the league.

Siberian13 · 03-01-2021, 10:02 PM

They can franchise tag Reddick right? Peterson just needs to get back on the PEDs and he’ll be fine.

mike1498 · 03-01-2021, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

They can franchise tag Reddick right? Peterson just needs to get back on the PEDs and he’ll be fine.

If you are talking about the fifth year option they declined it because he was a "dud" at the point of the contract. Can you decline a fifth year option and then franchise tag?

rman112 · 03-01-2021, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

If you are talking about the fifth year option they declined it because he was a "dud" at the point of the contract. Can you decline a fifth year option and then franchise tag?

I think so. I've heard it suggested for Corey Davis. Same thing, 5th year was declined.

mike1498 · 03-01-2021, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Reddick's easily one of the most intriguing free agents in the league.

Hell most likely rake in stupid money but I thought that about Markus Goldin after his 10 sack season with the giants to see his restricted tender not be touched. I think since pass rushers command so much, that sometimes teams get afraid to jump all in especially in scenarios like Golden and Reddick when their history wasn't all roses and peaches.

It's actually why I like signing Watt over Reddick. While I see Reddick clearly has a greater upside, with so much uncertainty with both I'd rather a contract we can get out of easily.

Siberian13 · 03-01-2021, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

If you are talking about the fifth year option they declined it because he was a "dud" at the point of the contract. Can you decline a fifth year option and then franchise tag?

Yes they can still franchise tag Reddick.

rman112 · 03-01-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

Hell most likely rake in stupid money but I thought that about Markus Goldin after his 10 sack season with the giants to see his restricted tender not be touched. I think since pass rushers command so much, that sometimes teams get afraid to jump all in especially in scenarios like Golden and Reddick when their history wasn't all roses and peaches.

It's actually why I like signing Watt over Reddick. While I see Reddick clearly has a greater upside, with so much uncertainty with both I'd rather a contract we can get out of easily.

Yeah, Golden's has a weird career. Reddick's a little more physically talented than Golden, IMO.

mike1498 · 03-01-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Yeah, Golden's has a weird career. Reddick's a little more physically talented than Golden, IMO.

I think Reddick is more athletic that is true. The reason I love Golden is though is he always puts 110% effort into his game. If you read anything by any coach that has had him, they say that's his appeal. I don't think hes the player he is without his drive since you're right he is not as gifted. His career was especially weird because he built himself up right to the point where he expected a good contract and tore his ACL. He came back the following year after recovering and killed it with the giants just to see himself back at square one.

rman112 · 03-01-2021, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

I think Reddick is more athletic that is true. The reason I love Golden is though is he always puts 110% effort into his game. If you read anything by any coach that has had him, they say that's his appeal. I don't think hes the player he is without his drive since you're right he is not as gifted. His career was especially weird because he built himself up right to the point where he expected a good contract and tore his ACL. He came back the following year after recovering and killed it with the giants just to see himself back at square one.

Golden was pretty solid against the run, too.

the mesiah · 03-01-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by epatmythes

For you non-Packers fans... can you name a Packers defensive player from our 1996 championship not named Reggie White or LeRoy Butler? I've been watching the Packers for 38 years, and besides Reggie, that one of the best no-names defenses I've ever seen. They played perfectly as an 11 man unit.

C’mon now , Unless you a casual so called football fan and only started watching football in the 2010’s , people should know they had a awesome D line , White and old grown man Sean Jones on the ends and Gravedigger and former DROY Dotson clogging up the middle ..Eugene in the defensive backfield and Koonce as a backer , they had all good around D .

mike1498 · 03-01-2021, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Golden was pretty solid against the run, too.

For sure. Great player and underappreciated. Absolutely love him. I own a graded cracked ice of him for the same price it cost to get it slabbed lol

Mrhenrychan · 03-02-2021, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by epatmythes

For you non-Packers fans... can you name a Packers defensive player from our 1996 championship not named Reggie White or LeRoy Butler? If you can, I owe you a cookie! I've been watching the Packers for 38 years, and besides Reggie, that one of the best no-names defenses I've ever seen. They played perfectly as an 11 man unit.!

As a 49ers fan, me and Steve Young will agree that #93 Gilbert Brown was somebody to fear...the guy literally took up the whole TV...

ld8759 · 03-02-2021, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

The point everyone has been making is that he kept saying he wants to win. And when given that chance, he passed on better teams because they weren't offering as much money. So it was never about winning.

This exactly ^^^^.

Zacy87 · 03-02-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

What a super weird choice of years to start with.

How about in the last 5 years? Where do they rank? I'll even give you 6 years just so you can sneak that last 17.5 sack year onto the Watt resume.

Watt is still really good

Watt is not the same guy that had 70% of his sacks (69 out of 101) over a 4 year span from 2012 to 2015

It's 2021.

Is it super weird or is it the year Chandler came into the league?

carlo16 · 03-02-2021, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peacenukka1129

They were 8-8 with every lucky bounce going their way. They were a few bad bounces away from being 5-11 6-10. Kyler was being figured out just as Lamar has been by the end of the year. Watt takes up all their remaining cap room, when they couldn’t make it to the playoffs with the weapons they had with luck on their side. Drake Hopkins Kyler isn’t going to get them into the playoffs let alone a super bowl, and Watt had been preaching he’d play for peanuts to win a SB and needed a contender

Do those bounces include Gonzalez costing them games against Miami and New England?

21Pittsburgh58 · 03-02-2021, 12:48 PM

I'm stoked!

- No Browns (well played JJ!)
- The 2nd game Phoenix is forced to watch (without the NFL package) should be really good
- They'll win 10 games this year and a playoff game. Book it!

WalterAZ31 · 03-02-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Peacenukka1129

They were 8-8 with every lucky bounce going their way. They were a few bad bounces away from being 5-11 6-10. Kyler was being figured out just as Lamar has been by the end of the year. Watt takes up all their remaining cap room, when they couldn’t make it to the playoffs with the weapons they had with luck on their side. Drake Hopkins Kyler isn’t going to get them into the playoffs let alone a super bowl, and Watt had been preaching he’d play for peanuts to win a SB and needed a contender

lolol

oldgoldy97 · 03-02-2021, 01:06 PM

Looks like the Cards’ odds to win it all .... didn’t change.

Zacy87 · 03-02-2021, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Looks like the Cards’ odds to win it all .... didn’t change.

I'm a Cards fan and even at +3300 I don't like it at all...

Odds to win the division I might touch though

JeremyNick · 03-02-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Looks like the Cards’ odds to win it all .... didn’t change.

Did we anticipate a rotational pass rusher to dramatically impact odds?

oldgoldy97 · 03-02-2021, 01:10 PM

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Did we anticipate a rotational pass rusher to dramatically impact odds?

AZ did.

03-02-2021, 12:48 PM	#145
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03-01-2021, 09:33 PM	#126
epatmythes Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Da U.P. Eh! Posts: 2,497 epatmythes	As a Packers fan, yeah, I was hopeful JJ would come home to Wisconsin. I really, really, really thought he might be in play for $10-12M deal to come to a legit 2021 contender... and was hoping for a little of the Reggie White affect. Not so much I expected him to dominate on the field like Reggie did... but at least to dominate in the locker room and get our defense operating like a well oiled machine. For you non-Packers fans... can you name a Packers defensive player from our 1996 championship not named Reggie White or LeRoy Butler? If you can, I owe you a cookie! I've been watching the Packers for 38 years, and besides Reggie, that one of the best no-names defenses I've ever seen. They played perfectly as an 11 man unit. If JJ could have inspired that on our current defensive unit, god forbid even if he only played 8 games and had 3-5 sacks... it be worth $10M+ a year. It's a shot our defense could use! But, it didn't happen, he chose the Cardinals. Just as a football fan, that baffles me. He walked away from $17.5 million for his last year in Houston... to take $15.5M/year without $23M guaranteed. He, of already great wealth, only got himself another $5.5M to go to Arizona. It doesn't make sense to me. It just doesn't. There must be something he really likes about that team that we're not seeing! ARZ might just be an interesting watch next year. I like JJ, so I hope he made the right call. God willing, he's right, and it's GB vs. ARZ in the NFC championship... I hope we show him he made the "wrong" choice!!!

03-01-2021, 09:43 PM	#127
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 77,236 shiller13	Does Arizona have any more room to add additional free agents like the Bucs did last year? What are their main weaknesses on offense and defense?

03-01-2021, 10:02 PM	#131
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 77,236 shiller13	They can franchise tag Reddick right? Peterson just needs to get back on the PEDs and he’ll be fine.