The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-20/21 Edition - Page 162

drobfan8 · 02-26-2021, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by codered

Actually those winning percentages would be 3rd, 1st and 2nd in the west respectively in those seasons. Last time I checked that was good enough to get home court in the first round. Not bad for some scrubs. I feel like you spout off and don’t even check your facts. All good though

Where the eff do you get your drugs?

Are you factoring in TOR with a Western Conference schedule? They'd be 5th or lower. And that's with their best seasons.

Grizzkid12 · 02-26-2021, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rustywest

Here is what they did...

PS. Apologies, hadn't seen this has pretty much already been posted.

Yea, I saw this picture. You need to actually watch the play and not base your opinion on a still pulled from twitter after Murray had stopped.

In real speed it was MPJ and Murray on the break with Beal back on D. The other 2 guys were behind the play.

rustywest · 02-26-2021, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

Yea, I saw this picture. You need to actually watch the play and not base your opinion on a still pulled from twitter after Murray had stopped.

In real speed it was MPJ and Murray on the break with Beal back on D. The other 2 guys were behind the play.

I watched the entire game pal

The picture is just funny and not my opinion. Its shows a comedy of errors and the irony of today's style. Man, some dummies on this forum...

codered · 02-26-2021, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

Where the eff do you get your drugs?

Are you factoring in TOR with a Western Conference schedule? They'd be 5th or lower. And that's with their best seasons.

Just taking their winning percentages against teams in the west places them 3rd, 1st and 2nd respectively

2017-18 - 19-11 (.633)
2018-19 - 22-8 (.733)
2019-20 - 19-8 (.704)

That’s only against the west. You’re assuming they would have a worse winning percentage playing 52 games versus the west opposed to 30 which is ridiculous. You just want to assume their record would be worse to prove your point with nothing to back it other than your own bias, when you already have a 30 game sample size. It’s more logical to assume their winning percent against the west would be the same or at least close to it. Even if it was slightly lower their 30 games against the “garbage” east would all be “gimmes” so that would put their percent higher than I used for the argument.

daeve · 02-26-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

100%. Murray got them there, but just saying that last possession shouldn't all be on MPJ.

I didn't even notice what MPJ did while live. Just found it weird that Murray stopped on a dime there instead of going to the bucket.

I haven't read/heard anything but I'd bet when asked Murray will say he made a mistake there

Ok after re-watching it a few times, I do think 6'10 MPJ made the biggest error in not cutting to the basket.

he starts going to the corner before Murray stopped

which then made Murray stop... still had 3+ seconds so Mpj could've cut to the rim still. And he didn't

Then the Murray slight pump fake to get Beal in the air is actually exactly what you'd want to do, because from there it'd have been a simple bounce pass to MPJ waiting in the paint by himself.

daeve · 02-26-2021, 09:45 AM

Robin Lopez was the real savior for the Wiz last night, he was a team-high +13 because he could actually put some effort in defending Jokic. Wagner [-9] was straight up getting abused. He also kept from fouling - well a combination of that and the refs never giving Jokic anything, resulted in only 3 FTs for Jokic.

brothertona · 02-26-2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Ok after re-watching it a few times, I do think 6'10 MPJ made the biggest error in not cutting to the basket.

he starts going to the corner before Murray stopped

which then made Murray stop... still had 3+ seconds so Mpj could've cut to the rim still. And he didn't

Then the Murray slight pump fake to get Beal in the air is actually exactly what you'd want to do, because from there it'd have been a simple bounce pass to MPJ waiting in the paint by himself.

Which is why I titled my initial post a bone-headed move by MPJ. If he runs to the basket at any time during the final seconds the Nuggets are in overtime.

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Dnic · 02-26-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Which is why I titled my initial post a bone-headed move by MPJ. If he runs to the basket at any time during the final seconds the Nuggets are in overtime.

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In MPJ's defense he probably wasn't expecting a pass from Murray since you know he is a ball hog and really doesn't like to pass lol

brothertona · 02-26-2021, 10:43 AM

True dat. I honestly think he expected to be passed the ball right there to take a terrible 3.

jcardstore · 02-26-2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dnic

In MPJ's defense he probably wasn't expecting a pass from Murray since you know he is a ball hog and really doesn't like to pass lol

So you make an incredibly dumb basketball play because you don't think your teammate is going to pass the ball?

MPJs problem is awareness. It's why Malone just doesn't play him sometimes. Especially a general lack of awareness on the defensive end

codered · 02-26-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Which is why I titled my initial post a bone-headed move by MPJ. If he runs to the basket at any time during the final seconds the Nuggets are in overtime.

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To be fair I would assume he thought Murray was going to attack the rim and would be open for a kick out. Murray made the first mistake by picking up his dribble at the top of the three point line. He’s great at finishing at the rim and Beal isn’t exactly Gobert protecting the rim. In all likelihood he gets a layup or he’s fouled. As soon as he picks up his dribble though MPJ has to recognize that Beal has committed to Murray as a shooter and cut to the basketball. Both are are fault for sure in my opinion. Being Canadian I absolutely love Murray but he deserves a chunk of the blame. Everyone thinking 3 when an easy 2 ties the game.

brothertona · 02-26-2021, 11:04 AM

His basketball IQ is very low. He has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut but he also has the potential to blow defensive assignments, make bone-headed moves like this, and generally be a un-efficient chucker. The Nuggets have a tough decision to make, do you keep him and hope he cleans this up or do you trade him while his value is still super high?

daeve · 02-26-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

His basketball IQ is very low. He has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut but he also has the potential to blow defensive assignments, make bone-headed moves like this, and generally be a un-efficient chucker. The Nuggets have a tough decision to make, do you keep him and hope he cleans this up or do you trade him while his value is still super high?

He's still really inexperienced NBA-wise, but I'm starting to think he may develop better with a more authoritarian-like coach - a Pop/Spo type perhaps. Malone is very into being his player's friend, which is fine, can work for some players. Other guys probably do better with a bit more discipline. Perhaps MPJ falls into the latter.

If Derozan was a better defender I'd be very into the idea of Denver's FO exploring a possible trade there, but with DD an expiring and him not exactly being a stout defender, I don't see it. Offensively he would be perfect with Jokic/Murray, as he can create his own shot and he's become a much better/willing passer in Pop's system.

rifleman69 · 02-26-2021, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

Yea, I saw this picture. You need to actually watch the play and not base your opinion on a still pulled from twitter after Murray had stopped.

In real speed it was MPJ and Murray on the break with Beal back on D. The other 2 guys were behind the play.

A 2 on 1 break and you're settling for a 3? This isn't helping the case at all!

mfw13 · 02-26-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rifleman69

A 2 on 1 break and you're settling for a 3? This isn't helping the case at all!

Yep....but in all fairness, pretty much everybody does it nowadays. And it's a bad decision unless your shooter makes 67% of their uncontested threes, because the layup is a sure 2 points.

sportzluvr1 · 02-26-2021, 01:48 PM

Just saw the Kyrie video on Kobe being the new logo.

The anti-white rhetoric is getting really nauseating.

“Black kings built the league”.....for real?

GOATcards · 02-26-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

Just saw the Kyrie video on Kobe being the new logo.

The anti-white rhetoric is getting really nauseating.

“Black kings built the league”.....for real?

While Nikola Jokic is no MJ or LeBron (yet)....

sportzluvr1 · 02-26-2021, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

While Nikola Jokic is no MJ or LeBron (yet)....

Im 100% down with Kobe being the logo. Its definitely time for a change and Kobe more than deserves it, however saying we need to do it to “further the culture” and the black kings stuff is taking it in a totally different direction than what it was intended for.

But, it is Kyrie i suppose. Meh.

brothertona · 02-26-2021, 02:39 PM

70% or higher of the top 50 NBA players of all time are African-American and a prominent African American wants to make one the symbol for the league. I don't agree that Kobe should be the logo but it isn't anti-whiteness.

Giantrobot · 02-26-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

70% or higher of the top 50 NBA players of all time are African-American and a prominent African American wants to make one the symbol for the league. I don't agree that Kobe should be the logo but it isn't anti-whiteness.

Coming from Kyrie, the way he states it, yes it is. It’s also a slap in the face and disrespectful to Jerry West, one of the most important figures in NBA history and someone who made the NBA what it is today, along with those black players. It took everybody.

brothertona · 02-26-2021, 03:19 PM

That is embarrassed to be the logo and wants it changed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-logo-anymore/

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Originally Posted by Giantrobot

Coming from Kyrie, the way he states it, yes it is. It’s also a slap in the face and disrespectful to Jerry West, one of the most important figures in NBA history and someone who made the NBA what it is today, along with those black players. It took everybody.

Giantrobot · 02-26-2021, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

That is embarrassed to be the logo and wants it changed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-logo-anymore/

And none of that changes how or why Kyrie said what he did. He doesn’t respect West. He would never say that about a black HOFer. He’s proven where his mind is in the past. The fact is that Jerry West has far too much class to say anything otherwise. The only reason anyone has an issue with the logo is because its a silhouette of a white player. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t chosen BECAUSE he was white, and it doesn’t matter! There’s no color to the logo anyways. Updating it to a newer player, fine, I get that. Having an issue because it’s a white player, with all of the stuff that the NBA does with black history and black lives matter these days, it’s just kinda silly.

imbluestreak23 · 02-26-2021, 03:54 PM

I just can’t clect racists.

No Kyrie cards in my collection forever.

imbluestreak23 · 02-26-2021, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

70% or higher of the top 50 NBA players of all time are African-American and a prominent African American wants to make one the symbol for the league. I don't agree that Kobe should be the logo but it isn't anti-whiteness.

His statement was anti-white. Especially after summer 2020

Dame · 02-26-2021, 04:04 PM

100% sure Jerry wouldn’t have a problem with changing the logo to honor Kobe who’s been like a biological son to him but it’s not going to happen.

02-26-2021, 01:48 PM	#4041
sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,749	Just saw the Kyrie video on Kobe being the new logo. The anti-white rhetoric is getting really nauseating. “Black kings built the league”.....for real? __________________ PSA 10 is a LIAR……(sometimes)

02-26-2021, 03:54 PM	#4048
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,846 shortslabs	I just can’t clect racists. No Kyrie cards in my collection forever. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

02-26-2021, 09:45 AM	#4031
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,161 accrules	Robin Lopez was the real savior for the Wiz last night, he was a team-high +13 because he could actually put some effort in defending Jokic. Wagner [-9] was straight up getting abused. He also kept from fouling - well a combination of that and the refs never giving Jokic anything, resulted in only 3 FTs for Jokic.

02-26-2021, 10:43 AM	#4034
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	True dat. I honestly think he expected to be passed the ball right there to take a terrible 3.

02-26-2021, 11:04 AM	#4037
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	His basketball IQ is very low. He has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut but he also has the potential to blow defensive assignments, make bone-headed moves like this, and generally be a un-efficient chucker. The Nuggets have a tough decision to make, do you keep him and hope he cleans this up or do you trade him while his value is still super high?

02-26-2021, 02:39 PM	#4044
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	70% or higher of the top 50 NBA players of all time are African-American and a prominent African American wants to make one the symbol for the league. I don't agree that Kobe should be the logo but it isn't anti-whiteness.

02-26-2021, 04:04 PM	#4050
Dame Banned Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 3,482	100% sure Jerry wouldn’t have a problem with changing the logo to honor Kobe who’s been like a biological son to him but it’s not going to happen.