Topps Sapphire Soccer - Page 68

reddragonthe · 02-10-2021, 03:55 PM

Breakers selling Sapphire for $120/pack are cruising through it, still. So that's $960/box minus fees, shipping, etc... and is pretty "easy money" for them. Other breakers still moving through it fairly quickly in mixer type breaks, too.

So we'd need something to change people's desire to open these up for even a small increase in price to make a big difference. $120/pack isn't great EV... so $150/pack isn't a whole lot worse. That gets you to 1200 for someone opening it and probably a reasonable 1k/box "cost" would be acceptable.

Singles prices are stable for Haaland base raw. PSA 10 volume is tougher to tell... a stray 1500 auction sale... an accepted offer just days before that at 3500. Yellow /99 going for ("only") $5500. Pair of Haaland/Fati at $4k. FEELS like $2500 would be where the base may be in reality. BINs sitting for 3500. PSA 9's in the 1k range or a little below for a BIN. Growing pop count. Below the peak. And I don't think is going to go up near term without some Buyer's Club support.

Fati is down as you'd expect. But still strong at 450-500 for a raw. These had a few stray sales above $700, though, not too long ago. PSA 10 feels sub-$1500 with some at that point BIN sitting there. So maybe close to it. Plus it is apparently the CLEANEST card in the history of modern cards with black labels popping out all over the place.

I think it adds up to some support at $1k. Beyond that may be tough unless we get a breakout from someone else. Mount's efforts recently could help with that. Maybe this summer if a guy like Koita goes to Dortmund to replace Haaland or something like that.

Once Prizm hits I think it fades pretty fast at that price with current singles prices. As bad as that product is, even. People will move to the next shiny thing.

YayNJ · 02-10-2021, 04:16 PM

Not sure about Mount.

He's well behind Foden, Grealish and even James Maddison. He's not going to become a staple for the England squad, and he will likely fade to the side-lines at Chelsea now Fat Fwank has been kicked to the curb and Kai Haevertz and Ziyech start getting time.

Gin&Juice · 02-10-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

Not sure about Mount.

He's well behind Foden, Grealish and even James Maddison. He's not going to become a staple for the England squad, and he will likely fade to the side-lines at Chelsea now Fat Fwank has been kicked to the curb and Kai Haevertz and Ziyech start getting time.

How much did it pain you to have to put Maddison ahead of Mount? England is so deep across the board at the moment.

YayNJ · 02-10-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

England is so deep across the board at the moment.

Other than forwards, we're really not.

Gin&Juice · 02-10-2021, 05:35 PM

Maybe not at GK or CB, but very solid at wingback and CM, too. At least as deep as almost any other country.

YayNJ · 02-10-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Maybe not at GK or CB, but very solid at wingback and CM, too. At least as deep as almost any other country.

I think our understandings of "deep" might differ somewhat

"Deep" to me means that we're blessed with multiple players in each position - England most certainly aren't

We're incredibly weak at LB and CM too as well as the others you mentioned. RW isn't ideal either.. we've got Sancho who is great in Germany of course but has always been mediocre in an England shirt, and Greenwood is still learning the ropes.

Gin&Juice · 02-10-2021, 05:52 PM

Don't want to hijack the thread, but it is already 68 pages so what the heck. Without thinking too hard or really measuring the pros/cons, this seems like a pretty deep pool (and I'm sure I am missing some, and you may take issue with others being on the list):

GK: Pope, Henderson, Pickford
RB/LB (allowing for some to play on either side): TAA, AWB, Walker, James, Justin, Shaw, Chilwell, Cash, Saka (gotta get him on the team somehow)
CB: Maguire, Stones, Gomez, Keane, Coady, Tarkowski
Midfield (lumping together to leave for variety of formations): Rice, Henderson, Ward-Prowse, Phillps, Foden, Maddison, Grealish, Mount, Smith-Rowe
FW (again lumping together): Sterling, Rashford, Kane, Vardy, Calvert-Lewin, Ings, Abraham, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Barnes

When us Americans are heads-over-heels for Gio Reyna, I would consider this "deep."

reddragonthe · 02-10-2021, 06:36 PM

I don't know if people paying $500 for an 18 year old on his 3rd (maybe?) knee surgery in the last 6 months are really the type that would be thinking through the impacts and lineup considerations for attacking members of England's national team. I think the lineup bottleneck they may have at Chelsea is one thing - but if there is hype there, it won't matter (in this environment - it's plenty irrational).

YayNJ · 02-10-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Don't want to hijack the thread, but it is already 68 pages so what the heck. Without thinking too hard or really measuring the pros/cons, this seems like a pretty deep pool (and I'm sure I am missing some, and you may take issue with others being on the list):

GK: Pope, Henderson, Pickford
RB/LB (allowing for some to play on either side): TAA, AWB, Walker, James, Justin, Shaw, Chilwell, Cash, Saka (gotta get him on the team somehow)
CB: Maguire, Stones, Gomez, Keane, Coady, Tarkowski
Midfield (lumping together to leave for variety of formations): Rice, Henderson, Ward-Prowse, Phillps, Foden, Maddison, Grealish, Mount, Smith-Rowe
FW (again lumping together): Sterling, Rashford, Kane, Vardy, Calvert-Lewin, Ings, Abraham, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Barnes

When us Americans are heads-over-heels for Gio Reyna, I would consider this "deep."

It's all relative isn't it.

That squad is weaker than Golden Balls generation, 96', Goran's England and Jug Ears, Gazza & Platt.

Mitch · 02-11-2021, 09:31 AM

I think we're OK at left back without being exceptional. Shaw is the inform guy, with Chilwell and Saka there as options. I think Saka could make the squad as he fits into so many positions.

My big worry is GK and then CB, although whenever I do see Kyle Walker play as the RCB in a three, I'm always more impressed than I thought.

The biggest issue will be playing conservatively when our strength is attacking. Just need to see if Gareth can let the boys loose.

That said, I see it as either France or Portugal's to lose.

YayNJ · 02-11-2021, 11:28 AM

Benito · 02-12-2021, 06:42 PM

Not one of the big boys but still a pretty nice sapphire pickup

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Gin&Juice · 02-12-2021, 06:48 PM

Great pick-up. Love the reds.

psochaps · 02-12-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Great pick-up. Love the reds.

Agree the reds look sweet!

Benito · 02-12-2021, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Great pick-up. Love the reds.

I wonder are there 5 of these and 5 red image variations? There must be, right?

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Cpdjoe77 · 02-12-2021, 07:12 PM

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I wonder are there 5 of these and 5 red image variations? There must be, right?

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Yes, 5 of both

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thenightman · 02-17-2021, 05:14 PM

Haaland gonna push these to $1k+ all by himself.

boston12 · 02-17-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

Haaland gonna push these to $1k+ all by himself.

Yep. I know nothing about soccer. But this guy is good

benz35 · 02-17-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

Haaland gonna push these to $1k+ all by himself.

yessir he will

YayNJ · 02-17-2021, 05:31 PM

Haaland & Mbappe = the new Messi and Ronaldo... but different.

Felix is the new Griezmann.

Tammy Abraham is the new Dion Dublin.

YayNJ · 02-17-2021, 05:31 PM

Haaland & Mbappe = the new Messi and Ronaldo... but different.

Felix is the new Griezmann.

Tammy Abraham is the new Mark Hateley.

mwheeler27 · 02-18-2021, 04:52 AM

Boxes selling consistently for $900 now.

These are going to blow past $1,000 eventually.

Gin&Juice · 02-18-2021, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Boxes selling consistently for $900 now.

These are going to blow past $1,000 eventually.

Not sure “blow past” and “eventually” belong in the same sentence.

Mitch · 02-18-2021, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

Haaland & Mbappe = the new Messi and Ronaldo... but different.

Felix is the new Griezmann.

Tammy Abraham is the new Mark Hateley.

LOL! Tammy wishes.

mwheeler27 · 02-18-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Not sure “blow past” and “eventually” belong in the same sentence.

Eventually, prices will suddenly blow past $1,000.

Like...One day they're under $1,000, and the next, they're quite a bit higher.

02-10-2021, 04:16 PM	#1677
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,801 hanelcocards	Not sure about Mount. He's well behind Foden, Grealish and even James Maddison. He's not going to become a staple for the England squad, and he will likely fade to the side-lines at Chelsea now Fat Fwank has been kicked to the curb and Kai Haevertz and Ziyech start getting time. Last edited by YayNJ; 02-10-2021 at 04:25 PM.

02-10-2021, 03:55 PM	#1676
reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	Breakers selling Sapphire for $120/pack are cruising through it, still. So that's $960/box minus fees, shipping, etc... and is pretty "easy money" for them. Other breakers still moving through it fairly quickly in mixer type breaks, too. So we'd need something to change people's desire to open these up for even a small increase in price to make a big difference. $120/pack isn't great EV... so $150/pack isn't a whole lot worse. That gets you to 1200 for someone opening it and probably a reasonable 1k/box "cost" would be acceptable. Singles prices are stable for Haaland base raw. PSA 10 volume is tougher to tell... a stray 1500 auction sale... an accepted offer just days before that at 3500. Yellow /99 going for ("only") $5500. Pair of Haaland/Fati at $4k. FEELS like $2500 would be where the base may be in reality. BINs sitting for 3500. PSA 9's in the 1k range or a little below for a BIN. Growing pop count. Below the peak. And I don't think is going to go up near term without some Buyer's Club support. Fati is down as you'd expect. But still strong at 450-500 for a raw. These had a few stray sales above $700, though, not too long ago. PSA 10 feels sub-$1500 with some at that point BIN sitting there. So maybe close to it. Plus it is apparently the CLEANEST card in the history of modern cards with black labels popping out all over the place. I think it adds up to some support at $1k. Beyond that may be tough unless we get a breakout from someone else. Mount's efforts recently could help with that. Maybe this summer if a guy like Koita goes to Dortmund to replace Haaland or something like that. Once Prizm hits I think it fades pretty fast at that price with current singles prices. As bad as that product is, even. People will move to the next shiny thing.

02-10-2021, 05:35 PM	#1680
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,166 edelsteind	Maybe not at GK or CB, but very solid at wingback and CM, too. At least as deep as almost any other country.

02-10-2021, 05:52 PM	#1682
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,166 edelsteind	Don't want to hijack the thread, but it is already 68 pages so what the heck. Without thinking too hard or really measuring the pros/cons, this seems like a pretty deep pool (and I'm sure I am missing some, and you may take issue with others being on the list): GK: Pope, Henderson, Pickford RB/LB (allowing for some to play on either side): TAA, AWB, Walker, James, Justin, Shaw, Chilwell, Cash, Saka (gotta get him on the team somehow) CB: Maguire, Stones, Gomez, Keane, Coady, Tarkowski Midfield (lumping together to leave for variety of formations): Rice, Henderson, Ward-Prowse, Phillps, Foden, Maddison, Grealish, Mount, Smith-Rowe FW (again lumping together): Sterling, Rashford, Kane, Vardy, Calvert-Lewin, Ings, Abraham, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Barnes When us Americans are heads-over-heels for Gio Reyna, I would consider this "deep."

02-10-2021, 06:36 PM	#1683
reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	I don't know if people paying $500 for an 18 year old on his 3rd (maybe?) knee surgery in the last 6 months are really the type that would be thinking through the impacts and lineup considerations for attacking members of England's national team. I think the lineup bottleneck they may have at Chelsea is one thing - but if there is hype there, it won't matter (in this environment - it's plenty irrational).

02-11-2021, 09:31 AM	#1685
Mitch Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 993	I think we're OK at left back without being exceptional. Shaw is the inform guy, with Chilwell and Saka there as options. I think Saka could make the squad as he fits into so many positions. My big worry is GK and then CB, although whenever I do see Kyle Walker play as the RCB in a three, I'm always more impressed than I thought. The biggest issue will be playing conservatively when our strength is attacking. Just need to see if Gareth can let the boys loose. That said, I see it as either France or Portugal's to lose.

02-11-2021, 11:28 AM	#1686
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,801 hanelcocards

02-12-2021, 06:42 PM	#1687
Benito Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 331	Not one of the big boys but still a pretty nice sapphire pickup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-12-2021, 06:48 PM	#1688
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,166 edelsteind	Great pick-up. Love the reds.

02-17-2021, 05:14 PM	#1692
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,947	Haaland gonna push these to $1k+ all by himself.

02-17-2021, 05:31 PM	#1695
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,801 hanelcocards	Haaland & Mbappe = the new Messi and Ronaldo... but different. Felix is the new Griezmann. Tammy Abraham is the new Dion Dublin.

02-17-2021, 05:31 PM	#1696
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,801 hanelcocards	Haaland & Mbappe = the new Messi and Ronaldo... but different. Felix is the new Griezmann. Tammy Abraham is the new Mark Hateley.

02-18-2021, 04:52 AM	#1697
mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	Boxes selling consistently for $900 now. These are going to blow past $1,000 eventually.