Patrick Mahomes Prices

[recoil2020]

Mahomes is awesome. This game doesn't change that one bit in my view. Buying his cards may still be a good idea in my opinion...JUST NOT AT THESE RIDICULOUSLY INSANE AND ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED PRICES. Huge mismatch between current cost and current performance or any reasonable estimation of what his short and intermediate term performance will be.

[pejc300]

A little perspective.

A lot of people making this out to be "either or" when it doesn't need to be. The most important hobby factor for Mahomes is whether or not he will be "the guy" for this generation. That's all that matters. Just like 80's dudes buy Jordan and 2000s guys buy Lebron and Kobe (this is a generalization, I know). You can have a superstar for each generation. Sure, maybe one is Mantle and the other is Ruth but there can still be astronomical hobby love for both.

Everyone is overreacting on both sides today. The comparisons to Russell Wilson or Drew Brees or Brett Favre are absurd. But keep them coming.

The bottom line is this: who do you think will own the AFC for the next 10 years. If your answer is no one, invest in no one. If you think it's Josh Allen, buy him. Lamar? Sure. Baker Mayfield? Okay...

If you had to bet $50,000 today on who you think will be the face of the league and go to more Super Bowls in the next 15 years not a single person is betting against Mahomes. He will be THIS generation's superstar. Heck, Steph Curry will never be Lebron. He might never win another title, but he is a hobby darling and his RPA sells for $500,00+

Tom Brady and Joe Montana are the only2 QBs I have ever seen play that struck fear into when playing against "my" team. Drew Brees never scared anyone. Neither does Aaron Rodgers (1-4 in conference title games). Peyton Manning? Maybe, but the dude earned 1 SB and another gimme while throwing ducks.

He is not a flash in the pan and he's not a "gunslinger." People thought buying Lebron Exquisites at 25k was crazy. People thought buying Brady Champ tickets at 20k was absurd. People think buying a Mahomes RPA at 200k is absurd...it's all absurd until it's not.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by recoil2020

The purchase of a Mahomes NT RPA /5 for almost $900K via Goldin Auctions has to be feeling like a not-so-great purchase at the moment. That's the risk with sports cards though I guess. I have a large Mahomes collection and not letting anything go as of right now. However, I do think that people who purchased more recently at exorbitant prices are going to have lots of regret, particularly short term and intermediate term. Like I said earlier and others have reiterated, the GOAT label which has been floated many times to drive up interest and prices, that ship has essentially sailed.

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

The problem isn’t Mahomes. He’s amazing. Anyone with eyeballs knows this.

The problem is the card market - with Mahomes as the poster child, rubs people the wrong way. It’s like 4-5 Super Bowls are built in to current prices. What if he never goes back? That’s a lot of dough for a guy who’s only won one. Disproportionate, in my opinion, even for speculation prices.

Originally Posted by recoil2020

Mahomes is awesome. This game doesn't change that one bit in my view. Buying his cards may still be a good idea in my opinion...JUST NOT AT THESE RIDICULOUSLY INSANE AND ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED PRICES. Huge mismatch between current cost and current performance or any reasonable estimation of what his short and intermediate term performance will be.

Agree, but fortunately or unfortunately, that is state of current hobby. Not an apples to apples comparison but Giannis logoman sold for 1.8 million and Prizm 1/1 sold for 1.1 million. He has two MVP's and zero championships.

[TSonn]

On their last possession in the 3rd quarter, Mahomes made 2 incredible passes that no other QB could've done.

3rd Down: being spun in a 360 and yet still somehow throws the ball perfectly to the pylon from the 20 yard line. 5th string WR Pringle almost catches it - if it were Tyreke that's probably a TD completion.

4th Down: getting hit and being practically parallel to the ground, somehow gets off another perfect pass for a TD but the ball hit 4th string WR Williams in the helmet.

Either of those get completed and they're probably the best TD throw ever. And Mahomes did his part of the job on both of those passes.

I know a lot of this discussion is Brady vs. Mahomes because the card hobby has individuals on cards, not teams, but last night was another reminder of how much of football is a team sport. Mahomes did what he normally does by getting his guys in the right spots to make a comeback, just this time the other guys failed (along with the entire defense).

If I were to gamble on SB wins for Mahomes, I think he'll end up with 6 in 8 trips. More if he plays into his 40s like Brady. He won't take this loss well and it will make him and the Chiefs practically unbeatable for the near future. I just don't see any other QBs fighting him in leading a team to a SB after Brady and Rodgers.

[jjrpilot]

For those of us who love Mahomes, I do think some great buying opportunities will present themselves in the next few months...

[cardsharkk]

Some MONSTER cards ending today!

This is going to be a STEAL for someone:

Bronze Star Prizm Auto (20 or less made) BGS 9.5/10
a Green /99 went for $30,000 in auction... this is only at 18k, should 40k+ easy. If he won i wouldnt of been shocked to see 50k+


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Prizm-...x&LH_Auction=1

[Gridiron Bob]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

For those of us who love Mahomes, I do think some great buying opportunities will present themselves in the next few months...

This.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

For those of us who love Mahomes, I do think some great buying opportunities will present themselves in the next few months...

I hope so! I was so close to buying an Immac RPA last summer when they were $1,500 - hopefully I get that opportunity again.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

As a lifelong Chiefs fan... Ill always collect Pat. He is fun to watch and I still believe he is the best QB I've ever seen. Brady almost certainly will never be matched in rings and will be greatest winner sport has ever seen. Football is a team game.... When TB12 took an undefeated NE team into the SB and he got pressured they lost. Game plan was bad, coaches didn't adjust, and play makers didn't help their QB out. Tampa had a great game plan and executed it to perfection and didn't make mistakes. They deserved to win. I still think Brady is the luckiest athlete I've ever seen. Not sour grapes, just what I think. I have some Brady cards too. Pat is my dude. Brady threw 3 INT's last week and still won. Who would have thought that.... Im rambling but honestly I still wouldn't change our (Chiefs) situation with anyone in the league.

So why does the best QB you've ever seen hold an NFL record 16 dropped INTs this year? Thats huge.

I mean, we gotta be realistic here. He good, top 5. But we just saw him under pressure and without completely wide open WRs and his team outclassed for the first time ever. And he failed to score a single TD. Not one.

He's mortal. Just like other QBs are.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

So why does the best QB you've ever seen hold an NFL record 16 dropped INTs this year? Thats huge.

I mean, we gotta be realistic here. He good, top 5. But we just saw him under pressure and without completely wide open WRs and his team outclassed for the first time ever. And he failed to score a single TD. Not one.

He's mortal. Just like other QBs are.

You mean under more pressure than any QB in the history of the Super Bowl?
Oh, that kind of pressure. With half his offensive line missing. Got it.

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

So why does the best QB you've ever seen hold an NFL record 16 dropped INTs this year? Thats huge.

I mean, we gotta be realistic here. He good, top 5. But we just saw him under pressure and without completely wide open WRs and his team outclassed for the first time ever. And he failed to score a single TD. Not one.

He's mortal. Just like other QBs are.

No one said he isn't mortal. His O-Line is HORRIBLE. Starting tackles and guards are out and have been the better part of this season. One of the guards Tardiff is a Doctor who opted out of this year to take care of Covid patients. Fischer tore his ACL in the Buffalo game which meant they had to repurpose ALL the replacements that were in bc all the starters were out. There was literally a ripple affect of non starting guys trying to defend against an awesome D-Line.

There is NO QB that would have done well in Mahomes spot. Zero.

Not making excuses it's just the hand that was dealt to KC. It's life.

[recoil2020]

Perhaps Mahomes isn't Russell Wilson. Actual accomplishments through 4 years are not identical but very, very similar though (2 SB appearances, 1 SB win, etc). In terms of key stats, cursory look would say Mahomes is something like RW plus 25%. In hobby terms though, he's like 10X Russell Wilson. Maybe this is just how the hobby works. I'll just tell you this...I won't be bidding up these cards anymore. Not happening. Especially when you consider the league changes every year with new talent arriving. What about the emergence of new talent onto the field that you aren't accounting for now? Will Trevor Lawrence (or others) be huge? Who knows...but none of these facts argue in favor of buying more Mahomes at current price points.

[KingInTheNorth]

It's funny how history repeats itself but nothing changes in the eyes of the masses.

I'm excited for the buying opportunity, the doubters and nay sayers.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

No one said he isn't mortal. His O-Line is HORRIBLE. Starting tackles and guards are out and have been the better part of this season. One of the guards Tardiff is a Doctor who opted out of this year to take care of Covid patients.

There is NO QB that would have done well in Mahomes spot. Zero.

Not making excuses it's just the hand that was dealt to KC. It's life.

Thats kinda my point. Every other QB has what happened to Mahomes yesterday almost every week. And they're judged harshly like they're garbage.

[dlutton]

Originally Posted by recoil2020

Perhaps Mahomes isn't Russell Wilson. Actual accomplishments through 4 years are not identical but very, very similar though (2 SB appearances, 1 SB win, etc). In terms of key stats, cursory look would say Mahomes is something like RW plus 25%. In hobby terms though, he's like 10X Russell Wilson. Maybe this is just how the hobby works. I'll just tell you this...I won't be bidding up these cards anymore. Not happening. Especially when you consider the league changes every year with new talent arriving. What about the emergence of new talent onto the field that you aren't accounting for now? Will Trevor Lawrence (or others) be huge? Who knows...but none of these facts argue in favor of buying more Mahomes at current price points.

When one game makes you not want to buy any more Mahomes cards...

[recoil2020]

The 8-10X increase in prices in the last 18 months has made me not want to buy Mahomes anymore. This game was just the icing on top.

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by KingInTheNorth

It's funny how history repeats itself but nothing changes in the eyes of the masses.

I'm excited for the buying opportunity, the doubters and nay sayers.

Same for me

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Thats kinda my point. Every other QB has what happened to Mahomes yesterday almost every week. And they're judged harshly like they're garbage.

Ah ok gotcha. Good point

[johnashleyjacob]

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

Same for me

Same here brother! Mahomes plays better when doubted. I think the Chiefs will be back stronger than ever next season. I for one will try and pick up a few cards I thought I was completely priced out of.

The last thing I have to say is that people can come hate, but most members taking part in the conversations here in this thread have not bought anything Mahomes in the past few weeks and some in months, and more than likely have sold most of their common Mahomes items. The hate should be directed at the people who just follow social trends and lose money by paying stupid prices when it isn't warranted and thus create the bubble everyone is talking about. I for one was excited to sell cards for a huge profit for once, and yes I loved seeing massive offers and loved to tell everyone. But I also couldn't believe people were paying 15k for a Prizm Mahomes PSA 10 and was told it is nothing to the high rollers to drop that cash, I bet they are regretting it now... and thus will cause a GREAT Buying opportunity as the exodus of stupid money begins, GL my friends!!!

[COMCMax]

Originally Posted by cardsharkk

Some MONSTER cards ending today!

This is going to be a STEAL for someone:

Bronze Star Prizm Auto (20 or less made) BGS 9.5/10
a Green /99 went for $30,000 in auction... this is only at 18k, should 40k+ easy. If he won i wouldnt of been shocked to see 50k+


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Prizm-...x&LH_Auction=1

What's Bronze supposedly short printed to?

[johnashleyjacob]

Originally Posted by dlutton

When one game makes you not want to buy any more Mahomes cards...

LOL well I assume he never bought Brady cards EVER (Lost 3 super bowls...), everyone has a bad game. Just a terrible night for the Chiefs to play their worst game in 3 years... Let's see what happens when the whole O-line is back. Maybe Watkin plays to previous levels (if still in town), and maybe, just maybe, have Kelce block on a few plays to help give Mahomes at least 2 seconds to scan the field if the O-Line is struggling.

PLUS: If the ball hits you in the hands/face, just try and catch those please or at least direct it down to the turf... LOL

[2010GBPackers]

So much do digest here on page #828.

One of the tension points between football collectors/investors without Mahomes cards vs. collectors/investors with his cards is the NFL/NBA comparison. Both pejc300 and pcptrade cited basketball card sales in their retorts. Guys, the NFL will never be the NBA. It's really that simple and I know you guys collect basketball, so you should know this. No one should have to explain this.

Moving on. Throughout the past 2 years, all the Mahomies wanted to talk about is how brilliant Mahomes is (which he is) and how he leads his team to victory, game-in, game-out. But they never wanted to have a serious discussion about how much of an impact Mahomes, by himself, had on the games vs. the talent around them. To Mahomies, it was Mahomes 100%. The point is, it doesn't matter how great Mahomes is. He's great, just like Montana, Young, Favre, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, etc. was/are great. Often what separates these players' careers are the players around him. And it seems as though, Mahomes fans, KC fans, or both, just realized this for the first time last night. But to act as though Mahomes is that much more talented than any of those guys above is ridiculous. Which isn't to say he isn't more talented. But by THAT much?

In the end, Mahomes will still have a great career and win another SB or two. But 5? No. And that won't take anything away from his awesome skill set or ability to turn the ordinary into the extraordinary, however, it also doesn't separate him that much from other great QB's who were great in their own way as well. It's just that you may not want to hear that when you just spent close to $1M on a Mahomes NT RPA.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Thats kinda my point. Every other QB has what happened to Mahomes yesterday almost every week. And they're judged harshly like they're garbage.

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Ah ok gotcha. Good point

@Headstrong RSS - #truth

@jjrpilot - Your response makes me think you actually realize this now. Seriously.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by recoil2020

Mahomes is awesome. This game doesn't change that one bit in my view. Buying his cards may still be a good idea in my opinion...JUST NOT AT THESE RIDICULOUSLY INSANE AND ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED PRICES. Huge mismatch between current cost and current performance or any reasonable estimation of what his short and intermediate term performance will be.

Losing in the super bowl isn't going to crash anything. IMO any pullback is a chance to buy. He probably will be back next year in the big game.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by COMCMax

What's Bronze supposedly short printed to?

They're /6.