Can we talk about the price disparity between PSA and BGS and the future outlook? - Page 2

SupermanBrandon · 02-01-2021, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Can somebody please link me to this Ken interview?

TY

It's an IG Live that he did from his home. If you have Instagram, you should be able to find it pretty easy.

pcptrade · 02-01-2021, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Can somebody please link me to this Ken interview?

TY

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKur0LA...d=gpie7jwd3nlv

PSA2Pac · 02-01-2021, 11:15 AM

I was trying to find it on YT

Thanks guys

rasclat · 02-01-2021, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgee2134

Is the $5k going to be worth it when it doesn't cross or comes back a PSA 9?

I've tried to cross over a dozen cards to PSA with 9.5's on all subgrades and only two crossed.

Well thats what chargebacks are for, if psa wants to extort us with their pricing scheme i extort them.

PSA2Pac · 02-01-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rasclat

Well thats what chargebacks are for, if psa wants to extort us with their pricing scheme i extort them.

So you're gonna file for a chargeback if you dont get a Gem Mint?

PSA threatened you to use their service?

Spartanwilliam · 02-01-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

So you're gonna file for a chargeback if you dont get a Gem Mint?

PSA threatened you to use their service?

Yeah this intrigues me. Would like to know more. Have to use the tools we have, which are limited as the buyer/consumer.

mc1 · 02-01-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartanwilliam

Yeah this intrigues me. Would like to know more. Have to use the tools we have, which are limited as the buyer/consumer.

Paying for a service and then filing a chargeback?

Sounds legit.

Beavers98 · 02-01-2021, 11:37 AM

Sheeple gonna sheep.

I also remember the time when BGS far outsold PSA. Then the set registry and the "measuring" contest took over and PSA got the slight to moderate increase.

Now it's just a following herd mentality. The difference in price is ridiculous. For all the my 9.5 didn't cross, you get the 8.5 that went to a 10. So it's all subjective. All of these new people are just being told what to buy.

I own Both. I actually have more PSA cards, but if it came down to it I like the BGS case with the subgrades better. There's another thing, people wondering why they got a certain grade, WELL what do you know BGS actually breaks it down for you so you can at least have an idea what they saw. whether you agree with it or not.

If I was BGS I'd jump on the social media pumper culture and pay some people like Gary V and others to flash a bunch of BGS cases and how cool they are with subgrades. I'd bet my collection, the disparity would even out in pretty quick fashion as the sheeple flock to BGS.

ballhawkdawk · 02-01-2021, 11:38 AM

New collecting strategy: anticipate what rich people will want in the future and then buy that.

rasclat · 02-01-2021, 11:38 AM

Explain to me then, $ 500 express service for 1 day service.
Oh but your card is worth 100k+ sorry same 1 day service but now the price is 5k. So yes if psa tries to scam me i feel i can do the same to them.

mc1 · 02-01-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rasclat

Explain to me then, $ 500 express service for 1 day service.
Oh but your card is worth 100k+ sorry same 1 day service but now the price is 5k. So yes if psa tries to scam me i feel i can do the same to them.

Id save myself the headache and just not send them anything.

MikawlBBC · 02-01-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgee2134

Is the $5k going to be worth it when it doesn't cross or comes back a PSA 9?

I've tried to cross over a dozen cards to PSA with 9.5's on all subgrades and only two crossed.

I'd have to analyze the price differences to determine if it's worth it. Did you cross over cracked or in the slab?

MikawlBBC · 02-01-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rasclat

Explain to me then, $ 500 express service for 1 day service.
Oh but your card is worth 100k+ sorry same 1 day service but now the price is 5k. So yes if psa tries to scam me i feel i can do the same to them.

It sucks, but just the reality of their business model and I doubt they will change it anytime soon with how much business they have.

GeechQuest · 02-01-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

New collecting strategy: anticipate what rich people will want in the future and then buy that.

I’ve been stockpiling PSA 10 Adrenochrome for years now.

kyle1707 · 02-01-2021, 11:49 AM

I had my 2011 mike trout psa 10 and bgs 9.5 out the other day...

the bgs 9.5 is 4x9.5

but i think the bgs is a better card....

psa 10 is 4000
bgs 9.5 is 2000

its messed up imo... i really like the psa holder better... not sure 2000 better though

i really think we are at a point were most of the hobby looks at bgs 9.5 as a psa 9 or a psa 9.5 but never a 10

PSA2Pac · 02-01-2021, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rasclat

Explain to me then, $ 500 express service for 1 day service.
Oh but your card is worth 100k+ sorry same 1 day service but now the price is 5k. So yes if psa tries to scam me i feel i can do the same to them.

lol...

They aren't scamming/forcing you to do anything.

Same fees that apply to you, apply to me. Why should you get preferential treatment?

SupermanBrandon · 02-01-2021, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

I had my 2011 mike trout psa 10 and bgs 9.5 out the other day...

the bgs 9.5 is 4x9.5

but i think the bgs is a better card....

psa 10 is 4000
bgs 9.5 is 2000

its messed up imo... i really like the psa holder better... not sure 2000 better though

i really think we are at a point were most of the hobby looks at bgs 9.5 as a psa 9 or a psa 9.5 but never a 10

I'd be sending that Trout 9.5 to PSA (in slab) via Express today, for the crossover!

Spartanwilliam · 02-01-2021, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

lol...

They aren't scamming/forcing you to do anything.

Same fees that apply to you, apply to me. Why should you get preferential treatment?

Yeah, I mean the way I see it: Send it the cheaper price and if you get the grade you want you'll get the upcharge as well. Sucks, but if grading to sell you have to calculate that into the cost.

But if a PSA 9 and 10 are both outselling my BGS 9 or 9.5 I see no downside in the swap if the cost still allows for the profit.

All that said: yes, I agree. BGS was considered the better company until the hype crowd. People like 10s. Not that the fake slabs helped, but as we see: both psa and bgs appear to have fake slabs.

MikawlBBC · 02-01-2021, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I'd be sending that Trout 9.5 to PSA (in slab) via Express today, for the crossover!

Good luck, just don't see how they can analyze a card in the slab... I have heard of poor conversion rates in slab but get how much of a risk it would be to crack and sub raw, especially since they scrutinize big cards.

SupermanBrandon · 02-01-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

Good luck, just don't see how they can analyze a card in the slab... I have heard of poor conversion rates in slab but get how much of a risk it would be to crack and sub raw, especially since they scrutinize big cards.

Well you would be a lunatic to crack that card and then try & sub it raw. Im sure he didn't pay anything near $2k for the BGS either. It's basically a free roll at the casino. If it crosses AMAZING! If it doesn't, you still have a BGS 9.5 that you didn't pay the current asking price for, anyways. You may not be having luck crossing slabbed cards, but Im sitting at about 65% crossover rate on TG 9.5s. I'll take those odds for a $2k increase in my profit on this card.

oldschoolball · 02-01-2021, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

New collecting strategy: anticipate what rich people will want in the future and then buy that.

That strategy has long been around when man started gathering the shinier stones in the caves.

spurs50fan · 02-01-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beavers98

Sheeple gonna sheep.

I also remember the time when BGS far outsold PSA. Then the set registry and the "measuring" contest took over and PSA got the slight to moderate increase.

Now it's just a following herd mentality. The difference in price is ridiculous. For all the my 9.5 didn't cross, you get the 8.5 that went to a 10. So it's all subjective. All of these new people are just being told what to buy.

I own Both. I actually have more PSA cards, but if it came down to it I like the BGS case with the subgrades better. There's another thing, people wondering why they got a certain grade, WELL what do you know BGS actually breaks it down for you so you can at least have an idea what they saw. whether you agree with it or not.

If I was BGS I'd jump on the social media pumper culture and pay some people like Gary V and others to flash a bunch of BGS cases and how cool they are with subgrades. I'd bet my collection, the disparity would even out in pretty quick fashion as the sheeple flock to BGS.

We aren't collecting what/who we like anymore. If we are honest, a lot of our decision making is based it's what someone else told us we should like. "who should I collect", "who is the top rookie", "who is undervalued", , "who has the most upside", "should I buy/sell xyz". You see more mention of "investments" rather than "collections" and that's just the evolution of this game (not even a hobby anymore).

Any phenomenon can snowball based on who's pushing it. Prizm is the new Chrome...snowball. $20 boxes selling for 200...snowball. Grade everything...snowball. PSA is > BGS mostly because of profit realized. The actual facts separating the two aren't of any significance.

kyle1707 · 02-01-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I'd be sending that Trout 9.5 to PSA (in slab) via Express today, for the crossover!

Probably Chicago National 21 or 22 not sure when it is back

I live 2 hours from there

pejc300 · 02-01-2021, 01:44 PM

I thought that BGS would be desirable for low numbered stuff (like print run 10 or less) and that ultimately grade wouldn't matter as much on this kind of stuff, but I'm worried (not really worried, but you know what I mean) that basically all the new money is being told to buy PSA exclusively. (insert Kendrick Perkins gif here)

I'm seeing guys like Leore bust out BGS 8.5 PMGs that are coming back as PSA 4s and 5s and they are happy about it because they just don't want anything BGS.

I agree with the sentiments of collect what you like, but it's clear that if you're looking to invest at all (or if you hope your cards that you love do go up in value over time) then there's really no comparison at this point between the two.

10 BGS 9.5 Jordan RCs to 1 PSA 10. What a world.

mj2kb · 02-01-2021, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by regularp

For rookie cards, there is no comparison. It's PSA by a mile.

Non-rookie stuff, the gap isn't as wide. PSA's preferred but if it's rare enough, it can be close.

I agree...

02-01-2021, 11:15 AM	#28
PSA2Pac Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 3,919	I was trying to find it on YT Thanks guys

02-01-2021, 11:37 AM	#33
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,064 beavers98	Sheeple gonna sheep. I also remember the time when BGS far outsold PSA. Then the set registry and the "measuring" contest took over and PSA got the slight to moderate increase. Now it's just a following herd mentality. The difference in price is ridiculous. For all the my 9.5 didn't cross, you get the 8.5 that went to a 10. So it's all subjective. All of these new people are just being told what to buy. I own Both. I actually have more PSA cards, but if it came down to it I like the BGS case with the subgrades better. There's another thing, people wondering why they got a certain grade, WELL what do you know BGS actually breaks it down for you so you can at least have an idea what they saw. whether you agree with it or not. If I was BGS I'd jump on the social media pumper culture and pay some people like Gary V and others to flash a bunch of BGS cases and how cool they are with subgrades. I'd bet my collection, the disparity would even out in pretty quick fashion as the sheeple flock to BGS.

02-01-2021, 11:38 AM	#34
ballhawkdawk Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 7,485	New collecting strategy: anticipate what rich people will want in the future and then buy that.

02-01-2021, 11:38 AM	#35
rasclat Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Toronto/Medellin Posts: 337	Explain to me then, $ 500 express service for 1 day service. Oh but your card is worth 100k+ sorry same 1 day service but now the price is 5k. So yes if psa tries to scam me i feel i can do the same to them.

02-01-2021, 11:49 AM	#40
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,619	I had my 2011 mike trout psa 10 and bgs 9.5 out the other day... the bgs 9.5 is 4x9.5 but i think the bgs is a better card.... psa 10 is 4000 bgs 9.5 is 2000 its messed up imo... i really like the psa holder better... not sure 2000 better though i really think we are at a point were most of the hobby looks at bgs 9.5 as a psa 9 or a psa 9.5 but never a 10

02-01-2021, 01:44 PM	#49
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,803	I thought that BGS would be desirable for low numbered stuff (like print run 10 or less) and that ultimately grade wouldn't matter as much on this kind of stuff, but I'm worried (not really worried, but you know what I mean) that basically all the new money is being told to buy PSA exclusively. (insert Kendrick Perkins gif here) I'm seeing guys like Leore bust out BGS 8.5 PMGs that are coming back as PSA 4s and 5s and they are happy about it because they just don't want anything BGS. I agree with the sentiments of collect what you like, but it's clear that if you're looking to invest at all (or if you hope your cards that you love do go up in value over time) then there's really no comparison at this point between the two. 10 BGS 9.5 Jordan RCs to 1 PSA 10. What a world.