Philip Rivers announces his retirement - Page 3

49erRCCollector · 01-20-2021, 03:22 PM

I think, politically, he will go in.

There's no chance I would ever vote for him. I just don't see a HOF QB. I see a guy who was above average at times, but never great.

We make excuses about Wilson, Marino, etc. not having an O-Line or a Defense.

How in the WORLD do we explain away the Gates/Tomlinson/Merriman/Rivers Chargers teams never winning a ring? I mean, come on. Those teams were LOADED. Yes, all caps LOADED.

He was average.

brothertona · 01-20-2021, 03:29 PM

Eh I'm iffy on Matt Ryan and he's my QB, I don't think Rivers should get in. I do think though he had a strong legacy, he's just not a HOF QB, but we also have to accept that in a lot of cases the HOF is a Hall of Good, and Philip Rivers was a good QB. He was never truly great.

BostonNut · 01-20-2021, 04:06 PM

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Yuck. To think I actually cheered for him early on in his career. I rooted for him to win his first super bowl. Just retire already Tom and take Gronk, Belichick and Edelman with you.

I'll never understand why we are always so anxious to see the greats leave.

Wouldn't you want to see Jordan or Magic just one last time?

Gretzky or Orr?

Griffey or Maddux?

Appreciate what we have...because tomorrow it will be gone.

88horsepower · 01-20-2021, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elee712

I imagine it will be Eason. Protect him and he will be good

Eason has a lot to prove, but he's an option. I still see the Colts going after a veteran like Stafford to stop-gap. I'm not opposed to seeing Wentz get re-united with Reich. I don't see any chance Watson gets traded inside the division, but that would be a dream to have him in Colts blue.

coltsnsox07 · 01-20-2021, 05:38 PM

Bless his heart.
PS, I always thought Rivers was there with Seau, but Seau left in '03.

asujbl · 01-20-2021, 05:40 PM

Eason sucks

Every team “loves” their backup until they actually have to play him... especially 3rd through 5th round young guys

Just bump that New England dude thread (I can’t even remember his name) before Cam

That dude had like $200 Prizms. Solid move.

Colts will be falling over themselves to try and get in on the Watson, Wentz, Darnold, Trubisky, Draft Pick bandwagon... depending on how crazy they want to go

Fratboy · 01-20-2021, 05:54 PM

Rivers is HOF worthy.

Sucks he never got to the SuperBowl

JeremyNick · 01-20-2021, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Eason sucks

Every team “loves” their backup until they actually have to play him... especially 3rd through 5th round young guys

Just bump that New England dude thread (I can’t even remember his name) before Cam

That dude had like $200 Prizms. Solid move.

Colts will be falling over themselves to try and get in on the Watson, Wentz, Darnold, Trubisky, Draft Pick bandwagon... depending on how crazy they want to go

Garrett Studhams

mike1498 · 01-20-2021, 06:02 PM

Okay so based on what has been mentioned, everyone who got in (QB wise) won at least one SB or one All pro.

It’s an easy no for me. He was never apart of anything great and he never individually stood out. What’s there to like? A consistent career? I agree he was good but I can’t get over not winning one all pro. Like it means you were never regarded as the best. Even if it was a second all pro maybe you can make an argument.

asujbl · 01-20-2021, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Garrett Studhams

Close enough for me.

Maybe Cody Kessler is still around.

Mike Kafka? There is a dude on these boards, can’t remember who, had thousands invested in that fool

For us old members

hairysasquatch · 01-20-2021, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Mike Kafka? There is a dude on these boards, can’t remember who, had thousands invested in that fool

For us old members

That's like, Kafka-esque, man.

asujbl · 01-20-2021, 06:40 PM

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That's like, Kafka-esque, man.

I know you’re the king of backups but I couldn’t remember if you were the Kafka guy

oplum29 · 01-20-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

damn time flies, I remember when he came into the league.

same here!

one of my all-time favorites.

dude was awesome. one of the toughest QBs i ever saw play.

nobody will ever forget him playing with a torn ACL, that's the stuff of legend right there.

ucLAkers · 01-20-2021, 08:11 PM

Cry me a Rivers...thats what I called him.
C-ya crybaby

clocsta2323 · 01-20-2021, 08:12 PM

The greatest loser of all time.

Noles939913 · 01-20-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

I'll never understand why we are always so anxious to see the greats leave.

Wouldn't you want to see Jordan or Magic just one last time?

Gretzky or Orr?

Griffey or Maddux?

Appreciate what we have...because tomorrow it will be gone.

No one likes to see Willie Mays falling down in the outfield. No one likes to see Bernard Hopkins literally knocked out of the ring. No one likes to see Edgerrin James averaging 2.7 ypc.

RW3isTHEGOAT · 01-20-2021, 10:36 PM

Fierce competitor.

Congrats on an amazing career Rivers!

Future HOF QB.

JWBlue · 01-20-2021, 11:49 PM

Not a HOF player. A stat compiler.

Anyone that followed his career closely knows of the frequent interceptions at the end of games. Just could not get the one chip that would have made him a HOF player in everyone's eyes.

Will he get in? Probably. If Harold Baines got in the baseball HOF then I guess PR can get in.

coltsnsox07 · 01-21-2021, 12:14 AM

Namath and Griese were really really ordinary at best but were on teams that won a Super Bowl and are in the HOF.
Rivers 134-106 W-L, 63,440 yrd, 421 TD, 209 INT
Namath 62-63-4 W-L, 27,663 yrd, 173 TD, 220 INT
Griese 92-56 W-L, 25,092 yrd, 192 TD, 172 INT

cowboyzqna · 01-21-2021, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

same here!

one of my all-time favorites.

dude was awesome. one of the toughest QBs i ever saw play.

nobody will ever forget him playing with a torn ACL, that's the stuff of legend right there.

I forgot. Most people did. "Legend" and rivers just dont belong in the same sentence.

Edit... I really can't say "most people forgot" because I dont know that for sure. I can only say I saw it happened and completely forgot about it.

oplum29 · 01-21-2021, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

I forgot. Most people did. "Legend" and rivers just dont belong in the same sentence.

Edit... I really can't say "most people forgot" because I dont know that for sure. I can only say I saw it happened and completely forgot about it.

any hardcore football can never forget a moment like that.

like someone posted on Twitter today "Rivers played with a torn ACL, Garoppolo missed 10 weeks with a high ankle sprain"

Noles939913 · 01-21-2021, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

any hardcore football can never forget a moment like that.

like someone posted on Twitter today "Rivers played with a torn ACL, Garoppolo missed 10 weeks with a high ankle sprain"

Agreed. The man was a true game dog who refused to go out on anything but his shield. I loved watching him give everything he had on that field dating back to his ACC days against my Noles.

2010GBPackers · 01-21-2021, 08:44 AM

Comparing Rivers to HOF QB's who played in a different era makes no sense. Everybody knows Rivers was an above-average QB over a long period of time - that's his case for the HOF. But that's it. Like, literally, that's it. Statistics against QB's who played 20+ years ago don't matter. You need to compare them to statistics from other QB's who played during the same time period.

This is how skewed QB statistics are in today's game:

John Kitna has more passing TD's than Bart Starr.
Jay Cutler and Ryan Fitzpatrick have more passing yards than Steve Young.
Matthew Stafford has more passing TD's than Joe Montana.
Kerry Collins has more passing yards than Joe Montana.
Ryan Tannehill has more passing TD's than Rodger Staubach.

I could go on. The absurdity is never ending.

Statistics mean nothing in today's NFL when put up against numbers from 30+ years ago. A current HOF candidate should be measured by their performance vs. others during your playing years + their credentials.

foleylion08 · 01-21-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

A current HOF candidate should be measured by their performance vs. others during your playing years + their credentials.

Rivers stacked up well statistically against the people from his class. Better across the board than most guys who played through this era from 2004-now-ish. Better numbers than Big Ben, Eli, Carson Palmer, Alex Smith, Matt Cassell, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo.

It's just unfortunate for him that he played at the same time as sure-fire first ballot guys like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees. It's for this reason that there were no All Pros to go around. Those 4 guys won it 13 of his 17 years in the league.

But alas, he's a QB without a ring and without (m)any accolades. He'll get in eventually, just like Frank Gore will and I think they're on par with one another relative to their position: longevity to compile stats.

JeremyNick · 01-21-2021, 09:37 AM

I don’t view Rivers as a HOFer.

Didn’t win a ring and in the shadow of better QBs the majority of his career.

01-20-2021, 03:22 PM	#51
49erRCCollector Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,793	I think, politically, he will go in. There's no chance I would ever vote for him. I just don't see a HOF QB. I see a guy who was above average at times, but never great. We make excuses about Wilson, Marino, etc. not having an O-Line or a Defense. How in the WORLD do we explain away the Gates/Tomlinson/Merriman/Rivers Chargers teams never winning a ring? I mean, come on. Those teams were LOADED. Yes, all caps LOADED. He was average. __________________ Will MASSIVELY overpay for: 2002 Fleer Authentix #180, 181 Derek Smith & Zack Bronson AND 2007 Upper Deck Target Exclusive Rookies Autographs #261 Joe Staley #'d to /5

01-20-2021, 05:40 PM	#56
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 63,731 ohiosundevils	Eason sucks Every team “loves” their backup until they actually have to play him... especially 3rd through 5th round young guys Just bump that New England dude thread (I can’t even remember his name) before Cam That dude had like $200 Prizms. Solid move. Colts will be falling over themselves to try and get in on the Watson, Wentz, Darnold, Trubisky, Draft Pick bandwagon... depending on how crazy they want to go __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

01-20-2021, 06:02 PM	#59
mike1498 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,451 college_beer_money	Okay so based on what has been mentioned, everyone who got in (QB wise) won at least one SB or one All pro. It’s an easy no for me. He was never apart of anything great and he never individually stood out. What’s there to like? A consistent career? I agree he was good but I can’t get over not winning one all pro. Like it means you were never regarded as the best. Even if it was a second all pro maybe you can make an argument. __________________ Check out my cards! https://www.instagram.com/college_beer_money/

01-20-2021, 08:11 PM	#64
ucLAkers Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: CaliZona Posts: 8,606 mintrobmint Totally Sucks	Cry me a Rivers...thats what I called him. C-ya crybaby __________________ If you collect Vee & Friends you need medical assistance as theres a chance you have Blow Pop syndrom-18

01-21-2021, 08:44 AM	#73
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,432	Comparing Rivers to HOF QB's who played in a different era makes no sense. Everybody knows Rivers was an above-average QB over a long period of time - that's his case for the HOF. But that's it. Like, literally, that's it. Statistics against QB's who played 20+ years ago don't matter. You need to compare them to statistics from other QB's who played during the same time period. This is how skewed QB statistics are in today's game: John Kitna has more passing TD's than Bart Starr. Jay Cutler and Ryan Fitzpatrick have more passing yards than Steve Young. Matthew Stafford has more passing TD's than Joe Montana. Kerry Collins has more passing yards than Joe Montana. Ryan Tannehill has more passing TD's than Rodger Staubach. I could go on. The absurdity is never ending. Statistics mean nothing in today's NFL when put up against numbers from 30+ years ago. A current HOF candidate should be measured by their performance vs. others during your playing years + their credentials. __________________ "And more and more and more and more And more of less than ever before It's just too much more for your mind to absorb" - Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) Instagram: 2010gbpackers Last edited by 2010GBPackers; 01-21-2021 at 08:46 AM.

01-20-2021, 03:29 PM	#52
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,966 brothertona1	Eh I'm iffy on Matt Ryan and he's my QB, I don't think Rivers should get in. I do think though he had a strong legacy, he's just not a HOF QB, but we also have to accept that in a lot of cases the HOF is a Hall of Good, and Philip Rivers was a good QB. He was never truly great.

01-20-2021, 05:38 PM	#55
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,294	Bless his heart. PS, I always thought Rivers was there with Seau, but Seau left in '03.

01-20-2021, 05:54 PM	#57
Fratboy Banned Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,536	Rivers is HOF worthy. Sucks he never got to the SuperBowl

01-20-2021, 08:12 PM	#65
clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,890	The greatest loser of all time.

01-20-2021, 10:36 PM	#67
RW3isTHEGOAT Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Illinois Posts: 506 rw3_is_the_goat	Fierce competitor. Congrats on an amazing career Rivers! Future HOF QB.

01-20-2021, 11:49 PM	#68
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,977	Not a HOF player. A stat compiler. Anyone that followed his career closely knows of the frequent interceptions at the end of games. Just could not get the one chip that would have made him a HOF player in everyone's eyes. Will he get in? Probably. If Harold Baines got in the baseball HOF then I guess PR can get in.

01-21-2021, 12:14 AM	#69
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,294	Namath and Griese were really really ordinary at best but were on teams that won a Super Bowl and are in the HOF. Rivers 134-106 W-L, 63,440 yrd, 421 TD, 209 INT Namath 62-63-4 W-L, 27,663 yrd, 173 TD, 220 INT Griese 92-56 W-L, 25,092 yrd, 192 TD, 172 INT

01-21-2021, 09:37 AM	#75
JeremyNick Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 22,801	I don’t view Rivers as a HOFer. Didn’t win a ring and in the shadow of better QBs the majority of his career.