Michael Jordan RC, PSA 10, shatters 100k !!!

[interestingcool]

Originally Posted by Willikn

Do not do this!

The extra fuzz isn't desired per se, but it has its good. All but proves that your card hasn't been altered. So much so that the original pack fuzz is still there. For me, that's good. Probably not on a corner, but I love a little rough cut.

This. Don't dare touch that. I also don't mind a rough cut. Gives the card that pack-fresh look!

[vintg]

Originally Posted by Willikn

Do not do this!

The extra fuzz isn't desired per se, but it has its good. All but proves that your card hasn't been altered. So much so that the original pack fuzz is still there. For me, that's good. Probably not on a corner, but I love a little rough cut.

ok folks, help me out. a couple posters (at a minimum) mentioned that rough
cuts aren't "the worst thing", or maybe not a deal beaker. (I'm paraphrasing)

look at heritage, they have 2 psa 8's listed both with rough cuts. one in
particular looks like I just got done in my garage with a hacksaw.

I don't get it.

(TPG's) .....blah, blah, blah "it's how it came out of the pack".

BUT, so is an off-centered card or a card with print
defects, and the card is "penalized". OC or PD

we spend so much time under a magnifying glass looking at the corners,
is their a white tip,or not ???, ect.

and yet we have psa 8's so jagged/missing part of the card looking like they were cut from a saw I bought at home depot.

why not a RC - rough cut - designation ??

[PLB9eight]

Missing pieces and uncut fibers are totally different in my mind.


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[Willikn]

Originally Posted by vintg

and yet we have psa 8's so jagged/missing part of the card looking like they were cut from a saw I bought at home depot.

why not a RC - rough cut - designation ??

Here we enter the "buy what YOU like" realm. IMO PSA and BGS both agree on this. Rough cut does not subtract from the grade if that is the natural look of the card. (Exhibit A, OPC Gretcky RC)

We see lots of posters throwing out the PSA 10 they bought and feeling ripped because of a slight rough cut. To my eyes, I love it. Not on a 2019 Prizm card, but on 1986 Fleer basketball? You bet.

If you don't like it and want that lazer cut edge look, more power to you. That's your call. I'd however caution that those razor sharp edges.. probably weren't there out of the pack.

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by vintg

ok folks, help me out. a couple posters (at a minimum) mentioned that rough
cuts aren't "the worst thing", or maybe not a deal beaker. (I'm paraphrasing)

look at heritage, they have 2 psa 8's listed both with rough cuts. one in
particular looks like I just got done in my garage with a hacksaw.

I don't get it.

(TPG's) .....blah, blah, blah "it's how it came out of the pack".

BUT, so is an off-centered card or a card with print
defects, and the card is "penalized". OC or PD

we spend so much time under a magnifying glass looking at the corners,
is their a white tip,or not ???, ect.

and yet we have psa 8's so jagged/missing part of the card looking like they were cut from a saw I bought at home depot.

why not a RC - rough cut - designation ??

I agree i saw those psa 8's on heritage and was trying to figure out what happened to those cards...never seen that as bad and still got on 8...

[Willikn]

Not apples to apples, but on the off chance folks haven't seen this card before. Just one of them. I know, I know, they were cut with a wire. You also would not get a 10 on a Fleer #57 with that right edge. The point here, natural look of the card.

https://www.psacard.com/photograde/4...yne-gretzky-18

[vintg]

Originally Posted by Willikn

Here we enter the "buy what YOU like" realm. IMO PSA and BGS both agree on this. Rough cut does not subtract from the grade if that is the natural look of the card. (Exhibit A, OPC Gretcky RC)

We see lots of posters throwing out the PSA 10 they bought and feeling ripped because of a slight rough cut. To my eyes, I love it. Not on a 2019 Prizm card, but on 1986 Fleer basketball? You bet.

If you don't like it and want that lazer cut edge look, more power to you. That's your call. I'd however caution that those razor sharp edges.. probably weren't there out of the pack.

I knew when I posted this the opee-chee gretzky would be brought up. LOL

we agree to disagree. and to be fair, you do mention "slight" rough cut as opposed to a "monstrosity". vs. what I would say "very nice" edge vs. "razor sharp". point is, we're both "more in the middle" vs. the extreme.

...just look at those left edges on the psa 8's with heritage.....

[Willikn]

Originally Posted by vintg

I knew when I posted this the opee-chee gretzky would be brought up. LOL

we agree to disagree. and to be fair, you do mention "slight" rough cut as opposed to a "monstrosity". vs. what I would say "very nice" edge vs. "razor sharp". point is, we're both "more in the middle" vs. the extreme.

...just look at those left edges on the psa 8's with heritage.....

I did. You are right to say, "that's more than normal". We will disagree on them being unsightly. Like I said, I like that look. I totally understand those that do not.

[bruin805]

Originally Posted by visualplane

What do you guys think a psa 8.5 is worth now?

I'd guess around $20k, since the 8's are selling at around $15k and the 9's are at $40k

[wrestlingbulls1]

Originally Posted by bruin805

I'd guess around $20k, since the 8's are selling at around $15k and the 9's are at $40k

A few bgs 8.5 have sold at 19k

[visualplane]

I remember the psa 8.5 getting higher sales than the bgs 8.5.

[vintg]

Originally Posted by visualplane

What do you guys think a psa 8.5 is worth now?

there's one at heritage auctions, you will have an answer or a pretty good
indication in about 16 days...

[visualplane]

Originally Posted by vintg

there's one at heritage auctions, you will have an answer or a pretty good
indication in about 16 days...

sweet!

[vintg]

update on # 59

psa 8 just closed for $ 1,225.03

sgc 8.5 hammered at similar amount

and a pretty nice psa 7 is at $ 500 with a little over 1 day left.

[vintg]

and not to leave the mj sticker rookie out, an OK psa 6 just hammered for

$ 1,613


a "victory" for us "little guys".


boy, and to think if a certain percentage of collectors didn't pass on it b/c
its "only" a sticker......the price might've been higher...

I kid. I kid.

[Willikn]

Originally Posted by vintg

and not to leave the mj sticker rookie out,

I am waiting for you to mention the 1987 Sticker skyrocketing. Come on man. I count on you for these things. Appears up more than 300% in the last month. Eights from less than $200 to north of $600.

[KidKards101]

Funny how I see a bunch of 1986 Fleer packs on ebay with a Jordan sticker at the back. I don't think I've ever seen this much Jordan sticker raw packs ever. Quite obvious that these sellers are buying up the stickers individually and resealing the packs.

[MBMiller25]

Originally Posted by KidKards101

Funny how I see a bunch of 1986 Fleer packs on ebay with a Jordan sticker at the back. I don't think I've ever seen this much Jordan sticker raw packs ever. Quite obvious that these sellers are buying up the stickers individually and resealing the packs.

Yea because “these sellers” all had the foresight a year ago to do this because they knew this explosion in Jordan Rookies was going to occur 6 months after the Last Dance aired. It’s taking a year to get packs graded these days, and frankly your comment is a slap in the face to Steve Hart who reviews every pack for Authenticity prior to PSA even beginning to grade the packs. Steve is the foremost expert on packs and is the “go to” certainly for 1986 Fleer. But it’s quite obvious they are resealed.

[vintg]

Originally Posted by Willikn

I am waiting for you to mention the 1987 Sticker skyrocketing. Come on man. I count on you for these things. Appears up more than 300% in the last month. Eights from less than $200 to north of $600.

I don't have any, and my wife won't "let" me spend any more money !!!

I did add EIGHT # 59's in the last 17 days, though.

funny enough, I also bought 22 1991 fleer mj's raw. 10 mint and 12 nm.
I think I paid 60 for the "mint" lot, and 30 for the "nm" lot. same seller,
very meticulous, totally cool and FUN purchase.

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by vintg

I don't have any, and my wife won't "let" me spend any more money !!!

I did add EIGHT # 59's in the last 17 days, though.

funny enough, I also bought 22 1991 fleer mj's raw. 10 mint and 12 nm.
I think I paid 60 for the "mint" lot, and 30 for the "nm" lot. same seller,
very meticulous, totally cool and FUN purchase.

two rules about collecting if you are married, never tell your wife the value of your cards and never tell her how much you spend...trust me will make for a better marriage....

[Willikn]

Originally Posted by vintg

I don't have any, and my wife won't "let" me spend any more money !!!

I did add EIGHT # 59's in the last 17 days, though.

funny enough, I also bought 22 1991 fleer mj's raw. 10 mint and 12 nm.
I think I paid 60 for the "mint" lot, and 30 for the "nm" lot. same seller,
very meticulous, totally cool and FUN purchase.

Solution. Sell one of the #59s and flip to comparable sticker. Not a buy. Just a 3-way trade.

The 1988 (both of them) trucking right along too. Every Jordan collector should own #120.

[Hilton]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

You don't have to be a genius to make money in sports cards. All you need is common sense and lack of delusional thinking! I acquired my Jordan Fleer BGS 9.5 for 37.5K and made a 20K (50%) paper profit in two weeks. Better yet, I acquired it in a 100% trade deal. I traded a Trout and Soto RC for my Jordan Fleer BGS 9.5 and my cost basis on Trout and Soto cards was 6K. I am glad that I was able to turn 6K into 60K in two years. Imagine if I had delusional thinking (BGS 9.5 is worth no more than PSA 9) like you

Yeah and if you had bought a PSA 9 or PSA 8 when you bought your BGS 9.5 min(in your case equals PSA Min) you would have doubled your money so you got nothing to brag about lol.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Hilton

Yeah and if you had bought a PSA 9 or PSA 8 when you bought your BGS 9.5 min(in your case equals PSA Min) you would have doubled your money so you got nothing to brag about lol.

Why would you think I would put cash into a PSA 8 or 9 and make 10K or 20K in profit when I can trade 6K worth cards to acquire a BGS 9.5 min gem for 37K which is worth 70K now. Yes, the last sale of min gem (same subs as mine) was 70K. Do you like to make 10K profit using free cash or 64K profit with less risk and hassle? Keep replying because your ideas and thought processes are entertaining.

Originally Posted by Hilton

Beckett 9.5 with minimum sub grades is worth no more than PSA 9 since that’s the highest grade it would cross to.

Originally Posted by Hilton

Regarding the value of the BGS 10 it would have to depend if it was a sheet cut card or not. BGS grades sheet cut cards with numeric numbers while PSA does not.
If the BGS appears sheet cut it would not be worth so much.

Can you please tell us what is the worth of a 1986 Jordan Fleer BGS 10? Some here were saying million dollars. Looks like they are worth way less than PSA 10 according to you.

[Hilton]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Why would you think I would put cash into a PSA 8 or 9 and make 10K or 20K in profit when I can trade 6K worth cards to acquire a BGS 9.5 min gem for 37K which is worth 70K now. Yes, the last sale of min gem (same subs as mine) was 70K. Do you like to make 10K profit using free cash or 64K profit with less risk and hassle? Keep replying because your ideas and thought processes are entertaining.



Can you please tell us what is the worth of a 1986 Jordan Fleer BGS 10? Some here were saying million dollars. Looks like they are worth way less than PSA 10 according to you.

The $70k sale was a fake one with no feedback. So enough of your fake advertising of your equivalent PSA Min. Go ahead and buy it for $70k lol.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Hilton

The $70k sale was a fake one with no feedback. So enough of your fake advertising of your equivalent PSA Min. Go ahead and buy it for $70k lol.

Again, why would I buy one for 70K when I already own one for 6K. So you are saying all three BGS sales over the past two weeks are fake? A 60K offer made on a min gem at heritage that was declined by owner is also fake?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...ription-071515

Anyways, my offer still stands. How about you find me a BGS 9.5 for the same price as a PSA 9 and I will give you 10% commission. I will definitely buy at those prices. Prove your quote below and make easy money!

Originally Posted by Hilton

Beckett 9.5 with minimum sub grades is worth no more than PSA 9 since that’s the highest grade it would cross to.