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Old 01-18-2021, 05:34 PM   #26
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I invest in 19-20 sealed wax so both for me

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Old 01-18-2021, 05:46 PM   #27
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IN order to hold the values they already have they have to have top 10 all time NBA type Careers.....That is just the sad truth of todays Hobby... This happens every year and over the last couple it has been the worst I have ever seen it..Personally I would not invest in either at these type on inflated prices. For the same money I could invest in a top 10 all time HOFer who has already proved themselves and still have money left over...But is I had to I would say JA will have a longer better career.
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Old 01-18-2021, 05:52 PM   #28
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Old 01-18-2021, 06:06 PM   #29
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I have sealed 19-20 wax and a good bit of Ja and Zion
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Old 01-18-2021, 06:50 PM   #30
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That's why I buy base cheap RC cards. I think I spent 300 bucks for all of my zion cards.....what's 300 bucks now these days.... not much....if he becomes really good; I think it will multiply my investment 10 fold.. i did it with lebron and kobe.....laughing hard when I sell a base RC cards for almost 1K when I paid dirt cheap several years ago.
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:11 PM   #31
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MIke Conley's career high is 38 points, Ja scored 44 in his 68th game.
Oh yeah, call me when Ja gets them to the West Finals multiple times.

Points are so cool man, that's why Bradley Beal and Booker are the next Jordan.

I know how you hype guys get all butthurt when you hear the truth, but for Ja to continue to go up he'd have to be a top 5 PG all time.

Check out guys like Nash, IT and Stockton.
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:14 PM   #32
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Here's a couple more names.

Kyrie and Tony Parker.

I doubt Ja reaches their career and he's priced 50 times higher.

Don't get caught holding the bag.
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:24 PM   #33
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Stockton rc PSA 10 sells really high and not even that low pop.
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:25 PM   #34
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Oh yeah, call me when Ja gets them to the West Finals multiple times.

Points are so cool man, that's why Bradley Beal and Booker are the next Jordan.

I know how you hype guys get all butthurt when you hear the truth, but for Ja to continue to go up he'd have to be a top 5 PG all time.

Check out guys like Nash, IT and Stockton.
I think this is kind of silly. Stockton’s career earnings was $66million, IT’s was $16.7million, Nash’s was $144.7 million. By comparison, Rudy Gobert just signed a $205 million/5 year contract. By your metrics, his salary should be extrapolated from Shaq’s contracts right? The times are different, the market is different. I’m not saying that Ja’s prices will continue to go up, but steadfastly comparing him to greats of the past doesn’t make sense either. If Ja is a top 5 current PG, and the card market continues to attract the attention and investment it has, he will retain card value.

People buy cards for either some greater emotional attachment to the player or team, or because they hope it will go up in value. Stockton, Nash, and IT cannot positively effect their cards value, while current NBA stars can. Especially young ones. I understand it’s a strange concept to wrap one’s head around, but it’s the way of the 2021 card market.
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:27 PM   #35
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Here's a couple more names.

Kyrie and Tony Parker.

I doubt Ja reaches their career and he's priced 50 times higher.

Don't get caught holding the bag.
If Kyrie was in the 2019 draft class, his prices would be egregious.
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:34 PM   #36
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Genuinely, drobfan, how do you think Jordan feels (having earned 93.2 million over his career, 63 of which came during his final two seasons) when he considers LeBron will make over $500 million from player contracts? If you watch interviews of former athletes, they’re always lamenting that they played in the wrong era. That players not as talented now are making much larger figures. It’s the same for the card market. Should Ja’s prices be higher than Nash’s? Not at all. But Ja is a current player in a radically different landscape for the card market.
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Here's a couple more names.

Kyrie and Tony Parker.


I doubt Ja reaches their career and he's priced 50 times higher.

Don't get caught holding the bag.
They're both undervalued.
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Genuinely, drobfan, how do you think Jordan feels (having earned 93.2 million over his career, 63 of which came during his final two seasons) when he considers LeBron will make over $500 million from player contracts? If you watch interviews of former athletes, they’re always lamenting that they played in the wrong era. That players not as talented now are making much larger figures. It’s the same for the card market. Should Ja’s prices be higher than Nash’s? Not at all. But Ja is a current player in a radically different landscape for the card market.
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Oh yeah, call me when Ja gets them to the West Finals multiple times.

Points are so cool man, that's why Bradley Beal and Booker are the next Jordan.

I know how you hype guys get all butthurt when you hear the truth, but for Ja to continue to go up he'd have to be a top 5 PG all time.

Check out guys like Nash, IT and Stockton.
Ja had more SC Highlights in one year last year than those guys had collectively in their entire career(s). That's what sells, why do you think a guy like Jason Williams that never did sh*t is still getting bought in breaks, and for reasonable amounts. Hmu when you find that Stockton highlight of him throwing the ball off the backboard to himself and throwing down a monster dunk.

It's why ball handlers get more hobby love than guys that operate in the paint, don't make it harder than it is.

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Funny seeing some of the dudes crapping in the Zion thread under the premise of 'take this as constructive criticism' getting triggered over criticisms of their beloved Ja.


I love boaf, btw. You won't see me in the Ja thread throwing stones. Sometimes financial insecurities can rear themselves in different ways.
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It’s a Big Man’s Game.....
Zion’s pretty Big
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Funny seeing some of the dudes crapping in the Zion thread under the premise of 'take this as constructive criticism' getting triggered over criticisms of their beloved Ja.


I love boaf, btw. You won't see me in the Ja thread throwing stones. Sometimes financial insecurities can rear themselves in different ways.

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If Kyrie was in the 2019 draft class, his prices would be egregious.
Kyrie Irving?
He's was a straight loser before Lebron got there.
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Funny seeing some of the dudes crapping in the Zion thread under the premise of 'take this as constructive criticism' getting triggered over criticisms of their beloved Ja.


I love boaf, btw. You won't see me in the Ja thread throwing stones. Sometimes financial insecurities can rear themselves in different ways.

Yes indeed, they are both legit. Time will tell with hobby love/development/career trajectory etc. Both scream future superstar to me.

Would be nice to see the pointless verbal trench warfare cease and just root for both. Critiques are one thing, but there have been some pretty extreme takes on here.

Anyone dogging on either player too hard at this point in their career must either not have any understanding of player development or have a serious agenda.


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If your talking forever holds both scare me but zion has the ceilings. If 3-5 year horizon I like morants room to grow hobby wise. He is still super exciting and will be a good player for many years.
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Old 01-18-2021, 10:37 PM   #46
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Ja he’s a dog, a winner, the MJ of PG’s! Zion looks like one leg is shorter than the other one when he walks, like a grandpa with bad hips. Zion is just a dunker, rim runner & decent rebounder atm, but so is John Collins for 1/10th the price, but Collins can actually hit the 3

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Ja he’s a dog, a winner, the MJ of PG’s! Zion looks like one leg is shorter than the other one when he walks, like a grandpa with bad hips. Zion is just a dunker, rim runner & decent rebounder atm, but so is John Collins for 1/10th the price, but Collins can actually hit the 3
Uh oh, you better not say that in the "Appreciation Thread", they'll get you for that.

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Ja he’s a dog, a winner, the MJ of PG’s! Zion looks like one leg is shorter than the other one when he walks, like a grandpa with bad hips. Zion is just a dunker, rim runner & decent rebounder atm, but so is John Collins for 1/10th the price, but Collins can actually hit the 3
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I really enjoy both players a lot and think they both have a bright future.

I do find it interesting that Ja is already being dubbed the “MJ of PG’s” tho. Unless this is just a troll attempt that went over my head, even the hardest of hardcore Ja fans would cringe at that title. What’s he done to be classified at a winner?

I know it’s edgy and cool to poke fun at Zion, but let’s at least be real.
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> tfw BO analysis has devolved a step below the youtube comments section

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Zion is a poor man's Oliver Miller with worse handles.
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