First Buzz: 2019-20 NBA Hoops Premium Stock Hobby Hybrid

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I would go Mosaic silver first and then these. Mosaic are the best silvers period imo.

Mosaic base silver or Mosaic Silver Mosaic?

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by mc1

Mosaic base silver or Mosaic Silver Mosaic?

Base silver.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

Base silver.

Yes, those are sharp. I think I do like these silvers better though. The base arent that bad either. Just saw some in hand the other day.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by mc1

Yes, those are sharp. I think I do like these silvers better though. The base arent that bad either. Just saw some in hand the other day.

Yeah, can’t really go wrong with either. Say what you want about Panini but they’ve dropped two products this year that have serious staying power. Just hope they’ll clean up the parallel selection but at this point, they really don’t have a reason to change it.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by pryantexas

Just pulled a Kendrick Nunn auto redemption.... does anyone have a sense of what other players have redemptions?

Ja has a redemption that’s been posted in this thread. So far that’s the only other one I’ve seen pulled from retail. I’m pretty sure hobby has more but I can’t remember who I saw get pulled. Maybe Rui? There’s a chance I am confusing that with Clearly Donruss though.

In terms of parallels, I can’t wait to get my blasters in hand so I can see the Mojo in person. When this product was first announced I thought that would be one of the bigger ones. Only 2 per blaster as opposed to 8 Green Ice in one mega (or 10 Blue or Red Ice in the WM/Target megas). Given current resale prices (and SRP as well), you have to pay a lot more to get the same amount of Mojos as you would if you were buying megas for the Cracked Ice.

[Brandoninsel]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I would go Mosaic silver first and then these. Mosaic are the best silvers period imo.

Not really a fan of the Mosaic silvers

[gnrsportz]

[QUOTE=BRob1;16853881]cards that aren’t pack pulled don’t command a huge price historically. The colored pulsars will do well even though they aren’t numbered.

Why is there value difference between pack pulled and direct buy cards?
When I was collecting in the 80's and 90's there was very limited direct buy or other cards such as box toppers available. Now you can buy Zion autograph cards limited to /1, /10 etc... directly from Panini. Why the perceived value. Card was made by the same printing presses as the ones in the packs?

[BRob1]

[QUOTE=gnrsportz;16855133]

Originally Posted by BRob1

cards that aren’t pack pulled don’t command a huge price historically. The colored pulsars will do well even though they aren’t numbered.

Why is there value difference between pack pulled and direct buy cards?
When I was collecting in the 80's and 90's there was very limited direct buy or other cards such as box toppers available. Now you can buy Zion autograph cards limited to /1, /10 etc... directly from Panini. Why the perceived value. Card was made by the same printing presses as the ones in the packs?

I don’t disagree with what you are saying, just historically cards that come out of box sets haven’t been as desirable as their counterparts that are pack pulled.

baseball is a great example, look at some of the Topps chrome complete set cards vs their pack pulled counterparts. the pack pulled commands a higher price.

I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule, but I do think the pulsars would go for 2-3x what they go for now if they were from retail. Right now you can get the Zion for $60... if it was from retail it would probably be a $125-$150 card.


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[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

Ja has a redemption that’s been posted in this thread. So far that’s the only other one I’ve seen pulled from retail. I’m pretty sure hobby has more but I can’t remember who I saw get pulled. Maybe Rui? There’s a chance I am confusing that with Clearly Donruss though.

In terms of parallels, I can’t wait to get my blasters in hand so I can see the Mojo in person. When this product was first announced I thought that would be one of the bigger ones. Only 2 per blaster as opposed to 8 Green Ice in one mega (or 10 Blue or Red Ice in the WM/Target megas). Given current resale prices (and SRP as well), you have to pay a lot more to get the same amount of Mojos as you would if you were buying megas for the Cracked Ice.

Lillard too. I pulled it and thought it would be Ja lol.

[BayAreaChris]

I went overboard and bought $5k this weekend after market on megas, blasters, and hangers. 2.5x times retail mostly.

Lower than what DA is paying so low risk hopefully.

[pokerkeith]

nothing wrong with that investment bayareachris. Imo a year from now it will at least be worth 6 to 7k if I had to guess and in a best case scenario maybe 10k with all the love this set seems to be getting from rippers on youtube etc.

[ninjacookies]

[QUOTE=BRob1;16855201]

Originally Posted by gnrsportz

I don’t disagree with what you are saying, just historically cards that come out of box sets haven’t been as desirable as their counterparts that are pack pulled.

baseball is a great example, look at some of the Topps chrome complete set cards vs their pack pulled counterparts. the pack pulled commands a higher price.

I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule, but I do think the pulsars would go for 2-3x what they go for now if they were from retail. Right now you can get the Zion for $60... if it was from retail it would probably be a $125-$150 card.


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I'm curious if another component to this is that there are 2 of each of the top rookies in each set. Would the Zion be at 80-100 now if there were no included parallel tribute rookie? Unsure but my gut tells me there may have been more meat on the bone.

[BRob1]

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;16855290]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I'm curious if another component to this is that there are 2 of each of the top rookies in each set. Would the Zion be at 80-100 now if there were no included parallel tribute rookie? Unsure but my gut tells me there may have been more meat on the bone.

It’s possible... having the tribute means there are twice as many pulsars for Zion. Would a mosaic zion be worth more if there was no Debut version?


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[pokerkeith]

Forgive me perhaps being wrong but i consider the 259 zion true rc and the 296 as a subset the same way shaq stadium club was the true rc and the members choice was just a subset of the set. Perhaps i am wrong in that line of thinking but that is how I consider it and maybe if there was no 296 zion in th set then the 259 card would be worth more but when there is like 10 or 15 different parallels (maybe more?) of card 259 that will also supress the value of card 259.

[BRob1]

[QUOTE=BRob1;16855302]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

It’s possible... having the tribute means there are twice as many pulsars for Zion. Would a mosaic zion be worth more if there was no Debut version?


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I guess it’s the same as any parallel though.. they all have 2 versions. The base purple disco sells for 2-3x what the base pulsar does... is it 2-3x more rare? Maybe...At 15k cards for the pulsar i don’t know how that compares to some of the retail parallels. Or maybe people just want the disco more.


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[ninjacookies]

[QUOTE=BRob1;16855333]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I guess it’s the same as any parallel though.. they all have 2 versions. The base purple disco sells for 2-3x what the base pulsar does... is it 2-3x more rare? Maybe...At 15k cards for the pulsar i don’t know how that compares to some of the retail parallels. Or maybe people just want the disco more.


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Definitely. I guess I have tunnel vision only thinking about these in comparison to the Optic fanatics lol.

[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by pokerkeith

nothing wrong with that investment bayareachris. Imo a year from now it will at least be worth 6 to 7k if I had to guess and in a best case scenario maybe 10k with all the love this set seems to be getting from rippers on youtube etc.

I’ll probably bust at least 1/4 of it and stash the rest for a bit.

I have some PTSD as I bought a bunch Chronicles at $200. Fortunately I bought a ton at $100 so my average cost is closer to that, so already a bit ahead even with breaking some.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

I’ll probably bust at least 1/4 of it and stash the rest for a bit.

I have some PTSD as I bought a bunch Chronicles at $200. Fortunately I bought a ton at $100 so my average cost is closer to that, so already a bit ahead even with breaking some.

I agree, you are good at 2.5x. Will be interesting to see where this goes as I don’t think there’s ever been a release that has had this much being held as investment. A lot of people have PTSD from not loading up on mosaic megas at $120 and are stashing this away expecting it to do the same thing. Not saying that’s you, just what a lot of people are doing.


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[Spacemanspif]

I think RE: the Premium sets and the Zion singles prices, they suffered the supply issue (all being released at once) and relative cost of acquisition. We were screaming about sets being undervalued compared to singles prices, even with Zion singles being priced so low it still made more sense to buy the sets. Now that the set prices have caught up, the Zion singles look relatively cheap. I think when the market realizes the supply of singles has dried up, they'll increase again, but obviously with so many damn formats of the same card the only ones that stand a chance of being super valuable are the colored pulsars and true silvers.

I'm tempted to get in on some of the retail goodness, but wonder what happens to the 2019-20 retail secondary market once 20-21 products come out. there's SO much being held, I wonder if the market can sustain a steady stream of 19-20 products being released at 5x, as well as keep up with a whole new print run of 20-21 products. Remember, we don't have that issue now because 2018 & earlier is largely dried up

[pokerkeith]

spacemanspif i am thinking of the long term flip not so much flipping in 12 months but flipping in 36 to 48 months. Maybe a lot in here are not into that line of thinking. If zion ja morant or rj barrett just have a solid career and lets say one of them becomes james harden like (I know their game are different but you get my drift) then in 5 years I could see blasters going for like 500 bucks and maybe more? Maybe i am also way off in this. Time will tell.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by pokerkeith

spacemanspif i am thinking of the long term flip not so much flipping in 12 months but flipping in 36 to 48 months. Maybe a lot in here are not into that line of thinking. If zion ja morant or rj barrett just have a solid career and lets say one of them becomes james harden like (I know their game are different but you get my drift) then in 5 years I could see blasters going for like 500 bucks and maybe more? Maybe i am also way off in this. Time will tell.

It’s not impossible, there are just a lot of people with that same thinking, so a ton of product that released from mosaic onwards is sitting in people’s closets.

With 2018 product, and 2019 prizm the sky is the limit as people didn’t stash as much away. Starting with mosaic it started getting put away, and it’s reached an all time high with hoops premium.

you are right that the class will have a lot to do with where price goes. To hit $500 you’ll need someone to break out to a Luka or Giannis level though because panini printed this stuff to the moon, and everyone has the idea of holding it and retiring off the profits.


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[Backtocollectin]

The sets are closing in at 400 a box, wow

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by Backtocollectin

The sets are closing in at 400 a box, wow

Not surprising. I did another swag of my projected line (on an average break) a couple days ago ... when all is said and done I will finish out at about $540/box net. That tells me sets will be at $500 in the not-too-distant future, and $600 is not out of sight.

[matt roberson]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Not surprising. I did another swag of my projected line (on an average break) a couple days ago ... when all is said and done I will finish out at about $540/box net. That tells me sets will be at $500 in the not-too-distant future, and $600 is not out of sight.

Is this selling it all off or stashing a few key players? As singles or as team sets?

[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I agree, you are good at 2.5x. Will be interesting to see where this goes as I don’t think there’s ever been a release that has had this much being held as investment. A lot of people have PTSD from not loading up on mosaic megas at $120 and are stashing this away expecting it to do the same thing. Not saying that’s you, just what a lot of people are doing.


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Thanks. I fortunately got in on Mosaic too. Got quite a few between $115 - $125.

I haven’t hit retail (online or in store) for like 6 months but there’s enough meat on the bones to pay the flipper price it seems. I do also have the Prizm and Optic I did hit at retail to help diversify a bit.