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Old 11-30-2020, 10:05 PM   #901
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Thanks for sharing... I was hoping he would get one, this time around
Im a Optic fan.. but the Colorblast are Nice!!
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:10 PM   #902
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Im a Optic fan.. but the Colorblast are Nice!!
I prefer Optic over Prizm as well, but I will def pickup a Watson Color Blast.
It will be interesting to see how much they go for, out the gate.
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:15 PM   #903
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:21 PM   #904
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Prizm Checklist out.. Watson has a Colorblast this year!
Fun Fact: With normal collation, you would expect to open exactly one Watson Color Blast for every $2 million worth of wax you opened, if my math is correct.
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:26 PM   #905
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Fun Fact: With normal collation, you would expect to open exactly one Watson Color Blast for every $2 million worth of wax you opened, if my math is correct.
Fact... I will not open 1 box of Prizm Football
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:08 AM   #906
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Y'all hold or listing. Thinking about listing mine depending on where this ends.

2017 National Treasures Deshaun Watson Rookie Patch Auto RPA #61/99 BGS 9/10
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I think one sold for a new high price a couple weeks ago. For me it would just depend on what I'm into it for and if I think the money can be spent better elsewhere.

I still believe in the long term for Watson so I would hold, but it's easier said than done.
Do you remember what that sale was?
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Old 12-01-2020, 07:38 PM   #907
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Do you remember what that sale was?
It was a PWCC one that sold for $5100 on 11/22
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:37 PM   #908
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Just got a cool Watson card in today

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Old 12-29-2020, 04:32 PM   #909
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Looking at Deshaun's stats...

I'm not sure how many season's I've seen statistically this good, yet a record this bad.

Not only that, but their 4 wins: 2 vs Jacksonville (the worst team in the NFL), 1 vs Detroit, 1 vs New England. If you replaced Deshaun with an average QB, this team would probably have 1 win.

Part of me says "Go buy this guy, he's very good", the other says "This team is a dumpster fire without a foreseeable near term solution to get better, stay away!"
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:35 PM   #910
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He had the second highest passer rating In the nfl
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:35 PM   #911
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Looking at Deshaun's stats...

I'm not sure how many season's I've seen statistically this good, yet a record this bad.

Not only that, but their 4 wins: 2 vs Jacksonville (the worst team in the NFL), 1 vs Detroit, 1 vs New England. If you replaced Deshaun with an average QB, this team would probably have 1 win.

Part of me says "Go buy this guy, he's very good", the other says "This team is a dumpster fire without a foreseeable near term solution to get better, stay away!"
The crazy part is he had them within one score in almost every game. Three time pro bowler and would have been four if not for the injury. Really hoping Houston gets him some help in the off season. Personally I love watching him play.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:00 PM   #912
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The crazy part is he had them within one score in almost every game. Three time pro bowler and would have been four if not for the injury. Really hoping Houston gets him some help in the off season. Personally I love watching him play.
Thing is, I don't know how much they can do....

Their WRs are old. Their running backs are old. Their defense is bad. They don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

Tunsil is a $20MM cap hit for the foreseeable future

Watson is only a $16MM hit next year, then $40+ the next two years.

Your best chance is to find a coach that's a miracle worker, yet doesn't change the offense in a way that hurts Watson.

Meanwhile, if Trevor Lawrence is a good as some thing he'll be, then the division just got a lot tougher for a long time.


This off-season is either the time you could build a hobby empire picking up Watson high end when no one is looking, or you could be throwing your money into a pit of Watson becoming the 10th most collectable active NFL QB moving forward.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:08 PM   #913
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this guy has been throwing to a bunch of turds all season (outside of Will Fuller for part of the season). In light of throwing to people like Brandon cooks, Keke Coutee, and Jordan Akins, he has still been able to crack off incredible stats in my opinion. Hopefully they are active in the off-season and get this guy some weapons and a defense that doesn’t get blown up every week. Here are NFL QB rankings

Yds/game #2
QB Rating #2
Yds/attempt #1
Completion % #3
Yds/game #3
TD/INT - 30/6

Oh, and he’s only 25 years old on his 3rd Pro Bowl appearance ... just a matter of time before he is regularly competing with the Chiefs for AFC supremacy


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Old 12-29-2020, 09:09 PM   #914
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Great looking card. I’ve never purchased a galactic, but would like to at some point for both Watson and Mahomes.


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Oh, and he’s only 25 years old on his 3rd Pro Bowl appearance ... just a matter of time before he is regularly competing with the Chiefs for AFC supremacy
How?

The problem w/ Watson is three fold.

(1) He plays for a loser. As the poster above noted, Houston is likely to be a bad football team for a little while at least; it's not going to get better anytime soon when you look around at the quality teams in the AFC right now and the young talent everywhere but Houston. Houston will amass yards and points because Watson is good and they will continue to lose because they are a bad football team.

(2) He's never won anything or led in anything up to this point in his career. Yes his numbers are overall very good but he has no accolades. The only stat he has ever led in was sacks taken in 2018 (62!).

(3) There are too many better options to invest in at the QB position these days. There are no less than 5 active QB's who have value either far exceeding Watson or potential better than his. Wilson / Brady / Rodgers have the value established while Mahomes (could be in category A but too young IMHO) and Allen have better long-term potential. Tack on the other guys like Jackson, Murray, Herbert and the soon to be incoming explosion of Andrew Lu .... I mean Trevor Lawrence and why are people driving up the prices on a 5-11 QB in 2021?

Where is the hype going to come from for Watson. Value today is more about that than actual quality, scarcity or performance but when you play in Houston on a bad team, are not going to be in the discussion for MVP or in the post-season; how is the value going to rise other than slowly and unnoticeably?

It's a hard buy IMHO. You'll get quality performance and a lot of "Why isn't Watson value higher?" kind of rhetoric.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:21 PM   #916
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How?

The problem w/ Watson is three fold.

(1) He plays for a loser. As the poster above noted, Houston is likely to be a bad football team for a little while at least; it's not going to get better anytime soon when you look around at the quality teams in the AFC right now and the young talent everywhere but Houston. Houston will amass yards and points because Watson is good and they will continue to lose because they are a bad football team.

(2) He's never won anything or led in anything up to this point in his career. Yes his numbers are overall very good but he has no accolades. The only stat he has ever led in was sacks taken in 2018 (62!).

(3) There are too many better options to invest in at the QB position these days. There are no less than 5 active QB's who have value either far exceeding Watson or potential better than his. Wilson / Brady / Rodgers have the value established while Mahomes (could be in category A but too young IMHO) and Allen have better long-term potential. Tack on the other guys like Jackson, Murray, Herbert and the soon to be incoming explosion of Andrew Lu .... I mean Trevor Lawrence and why are people driving up the prices on a 5-11 QB in 2021?

Where is the hype going to come from for Watson. Value today is more about that than actual quality, scarcity or performance but when you play in Houston on a bad team, are not going to be in the discussion for MVP or in the post-season; how is the value going to rise other than slowly and unnoticeably?

It's a hard buy IMHO. You'll get quality performance and a lot of "Why isn't Watson value higher?" kind of rhetoric.


He is a winner in college and it’s not like he’s had the best to win it all in just four nfl seasons you don’t sound like you are a great investor so I’ll take this with a grain of salt
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He is a winner in college and it’s not like he’s had the best to win it all in just four nfl seasons you don’t sound like you are a great investor so I’ll take this with a grain of salt
What is the Texans path towards competing for the AFC title?
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The Texans don't have a 1st round pick this year. They don't even have a 2nd round pick.
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He is a winner in college and it’s not like he’s had the best to win it all in just four nfl seasons you don’t sound like you are a great investor so I’ll take this with a grain of salt
College is of no consequence in card value for pro athletes and I agree w/ you that he's not had the best to win. In no way am I blaming Watson or think he can do much more than what he's already doing.

But that does not change the reality that he will not have the best for quite sometime, if ever, in Houston. No matter how good the stats are, you cannot invest in an NFL QB, pull a 4-12 season followed by another 4-12 soon to be season and expect to come out with value. It just doesn't work that way.
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What is the Texans path towards competing for the AFC title?
Not blowing a 24-0 lead in the playoffs...
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:43 PM   #921
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Any investment in Watson would be long term, which can be risky if you don’t think the hot market will continue. Those looking for quick flips would be better off looking elsewhere...

Having said that, I am always looking for high end Watson if anyone is looking to pass the burden on to an unsuspecting idiot like myself...
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Not blowing a 24-0 lead in the playoffs...
Maybe they can get Hopkins back and set Watt and Mercilus' clock back a few years, too.
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Any investment in Watson would be long term, which can be risky if you don’t think the hot market will continue. Those looking for quick flips would be better off looking elsewhere....
I think long term, slow growth is probably what Watson is from a value standpoint assuming health and consistency. You hope for that moment down the road where he's in the middle of an MVP season and/or has a team that could win a SB but that seems like a low probability event.

But I also think that has more risk than most because Watson value is not established. It can go to zero long-term in the wrong circumstances as well.
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Not blowing a 24-0 lead in the playoffs...
That was on the idiot coach, not him.
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[QUOTE=rman112;16808179]Maybe they can get Hopkins back and set Watt and Mercilus' clock back a few years, too.[/QUOTE

New Coach/ GM will bring fresh air. Watt will leave/traded. Sucks they traded Dhop but it is what it is. Im not to upset w Tunsil deal honestly, if Texans didnt get a LT Watsons career would be over from injuries. My only knock on Watson is he has to throw the ball away and not take dumb sacks
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