Panini America Announces Plan to Address Kobe Bryant Autograph Redemptions

[mfisher27]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

there are alot of reasons, mostly money, and there are a ton of redemptions that people arent going to accept some stupid optic packs for, especially if we are saying the above kobe is a 32k card. I dont undertsand why they would have to get permisson to ship cards that were already under contract with products that were made 2 and 3 yrs ago that if real were already signed before his passing.

Something pretty significant happened and I’m sure they were verifying everything was alright to proceed. I’d imagine a death like this causes even existing contracts to be reviewed by the estate.

[Dame]

Are you guys starting this unsubstantiated rumor in hopes of bringing the value of his latest auto's down? This is ridiculous

[mj2kb]

Originally Posted by bowman209

I got a 19-20 Impeccable /3 auto mailed to me last week.

His auto looks a little different. Wondering if they had this card the whole time or if someone else has the rights to sign it!

Either way, I got it.

Just got notice they are sending out my 2018-19 Impeccable Stainless Stars Auto as well. Not sure what I will get.

Congrats, which /3 did you get? Can you show us picture please?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by CardCollector76

Just got mine. Gotta say I am happy. 8/10 too : )

Congratulations that is nice.

[Petealonso1]

Originally Posted by Dame

Honestly, if they're going to fake autographs, why limit them? They could simply say they have a book of his sticker autographs and just start attaching them to cards to satisfy ALL their redemptions.

That's not how it works

1. If they weren't already shady and money hungry they wouldn't have so many years worth of unfilled redemptions when they made 100s more of products with live autos leaving the prior ones untouched

2 They needed time to see who they were dealing with as far as what lengths people were willing to go thru to get these cards, meaning people with bank, knowledge and persistence that weren't going away.

3. They know they can pawn alot of the unfilled stuff with crap packs, player replacements etc. Which they will do plenty of.

4 Now the big guns, like alot of collectors here, you aren't snowballing the big basketball guys here with BS so the option is the cards and how to get them. You forge them sadly.

Pannini is out 100s of thousands now because the cards are 30x as valuable than they were 3 yrs ago. They are greedy f@#%s and it is finally catching up to them on the passing of one of the greats (RIP). If they done the right thing when the should've they would only be out 1000.00 replacement for the above Kobe instead of a 32k mark up to fulfill. So find a good forger and eliminate what debt u can.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

I am saying this Kobe auto is fake, and doesnt look right to me IMO, and why would you or any of us get on card autos months after his death when they clearly had them instock before his death. I seriously think this needs to be looked into, Panini is a joke, and i am honestly not trying to be an ass hat to anyone witing as i am awaiting 2 myself. And i wouldnt put it past a joke of a shady company to do so on many to get out from a few 100k debacle on their hands

They had signings and there were sheets in his offices as well that were signed.

They always had a small amount held back but were able to get all of the rest back from ones that he had signed for the signing and the ones for a later date that were partialy done.

Then when you get yours back send them to PSA/DNA or JSA and have the autograph authenticated.

You are grasping for straws.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

there are alot of reasons, mostly money, and there are a ton of redemptions that people arent going to accept some stupid optic packs for, especially if we are saying the above kobe is a 32k card. I dont undertsand why they would have to get permisson to ship cards that were already under contract with products that were made 2 and 3 yrs ago that if real were already signed before his passing.

People can then send optic packs back and do with nothing.

Once Kobe passed there was a lot that changed regarding his contract and his estate.

In addition, Panini had respect for the family and wanted their permission before moving forward.

Vanessa and Panini will end up teaming up together in future years, so Panini knew to get it right and be respectful. Running afoul of one of the most powerful sports figures teams in the world would do them no favors for the future.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

Something pretty significant happened and I’m sure they were verifying everything was alright to proceed. I’d imagine a death like this causes even existing contracts to be reviewed by the estate.

Also, wanting the widow's permission out of RESPECT.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by CardCollector76

They aren’t obligated to replace with what the value of the card is now. They get to basically do anything they want. There is no reason a company that is basically printing money would risk how big of a story it would be to replace a couple hundred Kobe autos with fake ones. They would just give out the packs. It just doesn’t make sense.

They are also not going to risk the future partnership with the Bryant family over this.

[Petealonso1]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

Something pretty significant happened and I’m sure they were verifying everything was alright to proceed. I’d imagine a death like this causes even existing contracts to be reviewed by the estate.

That could be, and it is possible they may have been able.to incorporate a forged signing deal legally with the estate I guess like Babe Ruth did with his wife signing his name that would be legally authentic for the higher end Kobe autos.

If they honestly had all these available, seriously why would it take the athletes passing to fulfill, they didn't lose any time making 100s more product, which would take 1000s more man hrs than fulfilling some redemptions.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

That could be, and it is possible they may have been able.to incorporate a forged signing deal legally with the estate I guess like Babe Ruth did with his wife signing his name that would be legally authentic for the higher end Kobe autos.

Come on man. That's really , really reaching it. That's a disturbing train of thought you got going there.

Just don't see how Vanessa would even put herself in this situation lol. She already has plenty of lawsuits that she's dealing with, smh.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

That could be, and it is possible they may have been able.to incorporate a forged signing deal legally with the estate I guess like Babe Ruth did with his wife signing his name that would be legally authentic for the higher end Kobe autos.

If they honestly had all these available, seriously why would it take the athletes passing to fulfill, they didn't lose any time making 100s more product, which would take 1000s more man hrs than fulfilling some redemptions.

So a grieving mother and widow, made it a plan for a little chump change to defraud thousands of people and commit massive Federal Felonies?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Dame

Come on man. That's really , really reaching it. That's a disturbing train of thought you got going there.

Just don't see how Vanessa would even put herself in this situation lol. She already has plenty of lawsuits that she's dealing with, smh.

There is no logic or reason behind his train of thought.

[Petealonso1]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

So a grieving mother and widow, made it a plan for a little chump change to defraud thousands of people and commit massive Federal Felonies?

How the f@#% are we even talking about Vanessa that has nothing to do with unfilled redemptions, and again cards made 4 freaking yrs ago, what federal felonies when it has nothing to do with her. No more that the #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ auto pen crap with Dak Prescott that panini claims to have not noticed but claims was witnessed on the back of each card

This #@#@#@#@ has nothing to do with Vanessa unless they owe money on Kobes Contract

She has nothing in this headache except owed money or future card releases.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

How the f@#% are we even talking about Vanessa that has nothing to do with unfilled redemptions, and again cards made 4 freaking yrs ago, what federal felonies when it has nothing to do with her. No more that the #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ auto pen crap with Dak Prescott that panini claims to have not noticed but claims was witnessed on the back of each card

This #@#@#@#@ has nothing to do with Vanessa unless they owe money on Kobes Cintract

Vanessa is his wife and inherited his estate. You brought up absolute nonsense about the estate making a deal to forge his autograph and you brought up Ruth's wife. Vanessa would have been complicit if his estate was involved in this crazy theory.

Please read how every card company does the witnessing, they use friends, agents, card shops, marketing, personal assistants, family members etc.

[Luka]

This thread has turned into QAnon Trump conspiracy theories

[WhacksPacks]

This is ridiculous. Stop. Those are Kobe’s autos and likely some of his last ones.

Anyone else get theirs today? Still wondering why my friend got a pack instead of a card.

[Petealonso1]

Originally Posted by WhacksPacks

This is ridiculous. Stop. Those are Kobe’s autos and likely some of his last ones.

Anyone else get theirs today? Still wondering why my friend got a pack instead of a card.

Fair enough and understood. My opinionated statement took it off course and I shouldn't have.

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by Petealonso1

Fair enough and understood. My opinionated statement took it off course and I shouldn't have.

You ain't the only one petealononso, I kinda thinking the same as you on some of this

[michaelwangking]

Originally Posted by shakobe

Just got notification too that my Playoff Contenders Optic Orange and Red Kobe autos also got shipped as well. Scary thought is these might be Optic packs going out and not the cards. Are all others getting notification for their Kobe redemptions?

hi bro have you got the actual card? i got the same card notified to be sent to me

[Dame]

One thing I wonder is how these last autographs will be viewed by collectors. Some of these are selling near Exqusite Patch Auto prices.

I wonder if there's going to be market adjustment on these, ,likely not.


1/1 and /5 are all selling for insane, INSANE $$$ and the /10 on card auto trumps some of Kobe's most popular autos with Upper Deck (Chronology, Ultimate Signature etc).

[Petealonso1]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Vanessa is his wife and inherited his estate. You brought up absolute nonsense about the estate making a deal to forge his autograph and you brought up Ruth's wife. Vanessa would have been complicit if his estate was involved in this crazy theory.

Please read how every card company does the witnessing, they use friends, agents, card shops, marketing, personal assistants, family members etc.

So whos at fault? So your saying Panini is legally validating the auto on the back of the card but is having anyone that the athelete wants to witness him signing, and Panini is taking the word for it and your claiming the forgeries that they have gotten over the years they arent responsable for, well. Panini is making the money, the product, and the STATING the authenticity on the back of the card, they are liable period. And I didnt say Vanesa made a secratary signature type deal, I said its possible.

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by Dame

One thing I wonder is how these last autographs will be viewed by collectors. Some of these are selling near Exqusite Patch Auto prices.

I wonder if there's going to be market adjustment on these, ,likely not.


1/1 and /5 are all selling for insane, INSANE $$$ and the /10 on card auto trumps some of Kobe's most popular autos with Upper Deck (Chronology, Ultimate Signature etc).

No panini card made will compare to the upper deck chronology cards

[shakobe]

Originally Posted by michaelwangking

hi bro have you got the actual card? i got the same card notified to be sent to me

Steal waiting for it to arrive. Due to get to me on Monday (fingers crossed)


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[bjho852]

I don't remember where I read it, but didn't Panini or someone in the know mention that Kobe preferred signing in person, hence the lack of autograph stickers and mostly hard-signed cards for his tenure with Panini?