2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

The only part that I don't understand is Republicans not pushing for it. Seems they are the ones that are looking into all of this because according to Democrats and Trump haters it's all about him who cares if PA went against their constitution, etc.

Politics.

Republicans know this is a sinking ship. What can they do? Political suicide isn't something many are willing to consider.

Republicans as a whole may push for election reform in the coming months/years. But they'll only control the Senate (probably) and they really can't do anything on a federal level without the consent of the Dems.

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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

How do we know the 74 million votes are real? I think we could just as easily turn this circus around.

This isnt about HUNTER Biden. Im glad the media did not permit the discussion to be around the adult son of the nominee. Unless you all forget, hes not on the ballot or part of the administration. Biden, like all presidents until 45, doesn't add his family that has zero political experience to important govt roles - only authoritarian dictators do that.

And make no doubt, I do hate die hard trumpies. No question. I dont find them to be redeemable people. For example, I get glee at watching videos of antifa-proud boys confrontation simply to watch MAGA get punched in the face. Even tho I hate antifa, I dont get that same smile. But don't mistake that with Trump voters. A huge segment there have a variety of reasons for voting republican w/o deep throating 45. I have no hate for those. If you're just conservative fiscally or are an abortion issue voter, we're cool. If you attend rally, chant lock her up, ect....yep, I hate you.

So you hate someone just because they go to an event to support someone that they support? That's pretty strong. You can be sure that if 74 million people were enough to win the election for Trump and the Dems thought that there was an opportunity to do this same thing they would. I think you're missing the point of the Hunter story isn't there some indications that Joe could've been involved?? That is about Joe not Hunter.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

How do we know the 74 million votes are real? I think we could just as easily turn this circus around.

This isnt about HUNTER Biden. Im glad the media did not permit the discussion to be around the adult son of the nominee. Unless you all forget, hes not on the ballot or part of the administration. Biden, like all presidents until 45, doesn't add his family that has zero political experience to important govt roles - only authoritarian dictators do that.

And make no doubt, I do hate die hard trumpies. No question. I dont find them to be redeemable people. For example, I get glee at watching videos of antifa-proud boys confrontation simply to watch MAGA get punched in the face. Even tho I hate antifa, I dont get that same smile. But don't mistake that with Trump voters. A huge segment there have a variety of reasons for voting republican w/o deep throating 45. I have no hate for those. If you're just conservative fiscally or are an abortion issue voter, we're cool. If you attend rally, chant lock her up, ect....yep, I hate you.

You're right, it's not about Hunter. It's about his dad possibly receiving money from foreign countries through his son. No, he didn't give Hunter a named position but Hunter was definitely working within political institutions here and abroad, there's no question on that.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Well, bless their hearts!!!

It's sad that states are trying to make sure the election was done right and that states like PA didn't do something unconstitutional with mail in balloting and all you can do is make a off-handed remark.

[techtre2003]

Unless I just missed it, I'm surprised no one has brought up Swalwell's Chinese spy sidepiece.

[techtre2003]

Gov. Cuomo pre-election: "I'd be skeptical of any vaccine that gets approved this fast."
Gov. Cuomo post-election: "We're going to have to have a taxpayer funded campaign to combat vaccine skepticism."


That's Emmy Award winning stuff there.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Is being a journalist in today's world the least respected position?

This "story" contains not a single on record source, and not even an unnamed source of value. It's literally built on the say-so of junior staffer gossip and Feinstein deserves better. This kind of garbage has got to stop.

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status...77322784419842

I really don’t see an issue with this assuming the writer has done the appropriate vetting. What is your standard for including anonymous sources? They shouldn’t be anonymous to the writer and the writer should be cross-referencing multiple sources. I think the diminished mental capacity of an elected official is fair game.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I really don’t see an issue with this assuming the writer has done the appropriate vetting. What is your standard for including anonymous sources? They shouldn’t be anonymous to the writer and the writer should be cross-referencing multiple sources. I think the diminished mental capacity of an elected official is fair game.

Unless they have a magical stuttering problem that conveniently comes and goes.
Amirite?

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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Gov. Cuomo pre-election: "I'd be skeptical of any vaccine that gets approved this fast."
Gov. Cuomo post-election: "We're going to have to have a taxpayer funded campaign to combat vaccine skepticism."


That's Emmy Award winning stuff there.

What else can we expect from the guys like him. Just a joke. Playing politics instead of getting the vaccine out to the people.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So you hate someone just because they go to an event to support someone that they support? That's pretty strong. You can be sure that if 74 million people were enough to win the election for Trump and the Dems thought that there was an opportunity to do this same thing they would. I think you're missing the point of the Hunter story isn't there some indications that Joe could've been involved?? That is about Joe not Hunter.

Well, yeah. I can see that.

Personally, I don't "hate" all Trumpers, but make no mistake, I think less of them. And I think even less of the ones that are all gung ho about it. And I can certainly understand why some may actually hate Trumpers.

74 million Americans voted for Trump. I'm not sure how many of them actually wanted Trump and how many wanted any republican over any democrat, but the actual Trumpers lost my respect. They are still my fellow Americans, but I feel like they got duped by a scam artist and in my book, that means it's harder to have respect for them.

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[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

And u have proven the point w/ the graph. Reuters, AP, NPR etc are no where close to the middle and that is the con they continue to get away with

That isn't the con. This is far more about your perception of things that don't agree with your worldview. Those orgs all have arguments on both sides, but if they single out a right-leaning issue and go after it, that doesn't necessarily mean it is leftie, and it could be that your own stance is wrong.

[techtre2003]

I really liked Dan Crenshaw before but softened a bit on him after hearing some of his overseas intervention talk. I'm warming back up to him now and could absolutely vote for him in 2024.
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/statu...55264003960838

[ZappBrannigan]

I’m not getting what the big deal is about Fredos brother.

You can grab some guy off the street with an IQ of 12 but as long as he can talk BS he’d be doing the same job.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Unless they have a magical stuttering problem that conveniently comes and goes.
Amirite?

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Can you quote where I said that? If you’re responding to me, and not some collective, please use an actual quote of mine. Otherwise, just start your posts with a smarmy “but, but, but...” so I know where you’re coming from.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well, yeah. I can see that.

Personally, I don't "hate" all Trumpers, but make no mistake, I think less of them. And I think even less of the ones that are all gung ho about it. And I can certainly understand why some may actually hate Trumpers.

74 million Americans voted for Trump. I'm not sure how many of them actually wanted Trump and how many wanted any republican over any democrat, but the actual Trumpers lost my respect. They are still my fellow Americans, but I feel like they got duped by a scam artist and in my book, that means it's harder to have respect for them.

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You said yourself, you hate Trump so much if he lost, even by means of cheating and people undermining our entire voting system you were okay with that and you're going to talk about respect and scam artist. You have lost your mind.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

You said yourself, you hate Trump so much if he lost, even by means of cheating and people undermining our entire voting system you were okay with that and you're going to talk about respect and scam artist. You have lost your mind.

But he won't say he lost the election so he's a threat to our Democracy! Joe Biden possibly taking foreign money in a pay-to-play scheme with his son: Psssh who cares? Why even bother considering that may have happened?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Can you quote where I said that? If you’re responding to me, and not some collective, please use an actual quote of mine. Otherwise, just start your posts with a smarmy “but, but, but...” so I know where you’re coming from.

Can you quote me and show me where I quoted you saying that?
Don't be so defensive, not every reply is an attack and I'm sorry you misunderstood it to be.


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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well, yeah. I can see that.

Personally, I don't "hate" all Trumpers, but make no mistake, I think less of them. And I think even less of the ones that are all gung ho about it. And I can certainly understand why some may actually hate Trumpers.

74 million Americans voted for Trump. I'm not sure how many of them actually wanted Trump and how many wanted any republican over any democrat, but the actual Trumpers lost my respect. They are still my fellow Americans, but I feel like they got duped by a scam artist and in my book, that means it's harder to have respect for them.

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Every Trump supporter here who gives 2 sh!ts whether Rachel thinks less of you or that Rachel respects you less please raise your hand.


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[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Every Trump supporter here who gives 2 sh!ts whether Rachel thinks less of you or that Rachel respects you less please raise your hand.


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True Trump fans know the arm to use. The same one used to Heil Hitler.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

How do we know the 74 million votes are real? I think we could just as easily turn this circus around.

This isnt about HUNTER Biden. Im glad the media did not permit the discussion to be around the adult son of the nominee. Unless you all forget, hes not on the ballot or part of the administration. Biden, like all presidents until 45, doesn't add his family that has zero political experience to important govt roles - only authoritarian dictators do that.

And make no doubt, I do hate die hard trumpies. No question. I dont find them to be redeemable people. For example, I get glee at watching videos of antifa-proud boys confrontation simply to watch MAGA get punched in the face. Even tho I hate antifa, I dont get that same smile. But don't mistake that with Trump voters. A huge segment there have a variety of reasons for voting republican w/o deep throating 45. I have no hate for those. If you're just conservative fiscally or are an abortion issue voter, we're cool. If you attend rally, chant lock her up, ect....yep, I hate you.

You might want to research the bolded. There have actually been quite a few.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I really don’t see an issue with this assuming the writer has done the appropriate vetting. What is your standard for including anonymous sources? They shouldn’t be anonymous to the writer and the writer should be cross-referencing multiple sources. I think the diminished mental capacity of an elected official is fair game.

The reason for my umbrage on stories like this is that they're 100% activism and 0% journalism.

It's no secret that the progressive wing of the Democratic party does not like her; from her telling the Sunshine troop of kids to get lost because the country can't afford the Green New Deal to her hug of Linsdsay Graham etc; you will find plenty of outrage from the party about her.

If you want me to believe that an 87 year old woman is forgetful and should no longer be serving in the U.S. Senate, then all you have to do is tell me she's 87 years old. You don't have to give me the Enquirer gossip from 20-year old unsourced nobodies that she's lost a few steps. Again, it's purpose is to get her to resign rather than actually unveil something useful for the public. Activism.

And if/when it works, it will only embolden those like Jane Meyer to create gossip and nonsense for other things she and her progressive party want to see happen in the future.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I agree w/ u that Trump is a big fat baby sore loser but Im not sure how that ties into the Hunter point.

Agreed.

However we're at a point in which one president is on his way in and one is on the way out. I want to see something other than Trump because I don't believe he did anything impactful besides halting the borders to China and later other countries.

Biden is no savior and I don't see a leader in him. I'm hoping he's out during the next race and someone else takes a stance of "leading a country" as opposed to self interest (at least acts as a leader. showing face counts for something)

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Private companies, thats who. You have a right to say whatever you want. You DO NOT have the right to force a private company to allow you to use their platform to amplify messages they feel are nefarious. Period. End of mfing discussion.

Now, as for why they may label some stuff, but not others. Whether you like it or not, Russia DID influence the election. They actively promoted Trump and attacked Hillary. The dispute is whether they can prove 45 ordered it, which stopped short. But what they did do is find 6 associates that either lied about Russia, meetings with Russians, etc. Where there's smoke, there is fire.

As for THIS election, there are NO VALID ARGUMENTS of fraud. None. Its imagination by a belief-centric part of the country that can't accept Trump is the most hated politician in history, sealing his fate. So everything done is just that side exhausting every potential legal option they can think of - most recently trying to get 1 state (Texas) and other states that Trump won to sue the battleground states he lost in an attempt to throw their court-validated election results out when every bit of fraud has been dismissed by the courts immediately.

This, to me, is actual treason, but thats just me. At a minimum, don't big tech can't let their infrastructure spread intentional lies across the nation. At max, hang him by the neck. Im fine with both.

I believe Biden/Harris won the election. But as to the bolded, how is it that the most hated politician in history got the 2nd most votes ever? Weird that.

[burke23]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Unless they have a magical stuttering problem that conveniently comes and goes.
Amirite?

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I believe that’s how a stuttering trait can go. Nothing convenient about it I would imagine.

Originally Posted by gopherfan

I believe Biden/Harris won the election. But as to the bolded, how is it that the most hated politician in history got the 2nd most votes ever? Weird that.

I would assume they mean the high disapproval rating. He’s divisive so totally possible he’s the most hated despite all of the votes. So many voted against him and not for Biden.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well, yeah. I can see that.

Personally, I don't "hate" all Trumpers, but make no mistake, I think less of them. And I think even less of the ones that are all gung ho about it. And I can certainly understand why some may actually hate Trumpers.

74 million Americans voted for Trump. I'm not sure how many of them actually wanted Trump and how many wanted any republican over any democrat, but the actual Trumpers lost my respect. They are still my fellow Americans, but I feel like they got duped by a scam artist and in my book, that means it's harder to have respect for them.

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So someone loses your respect because of who they vote for? Wowsy. What ever happen to you can agree to disagree and still have respect for one another. And to paint someone as being stupid enough to be duped just because of voting for someone you openly hate so much that cheating would be an ok method to beat them is just wrong.