2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yeah it's fine if it's a private company in my opinion. It would also be fine in the reverse. I think the business owners should be able to choose that for themselves.

I may not agree with it as a consumer and I may choose to take my business elsewhere. And that's why it's okay for the owner to decide but not the employee.

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So you are ok with discrimination?

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

99% a cluster, no doubt. I think we expected it to be a cluster considering the rules and the somewhat "chaos" around new election law state-by-state.

That said, one of the strangest things to me, from an analytical point of view is that the # of rejected ballots state to state in this election was almost 0%. How states like PA went from rejecting ~2% of mail in ballots to almost none of them (while also getting 5x as many in this election) baffles my mind.

For example, if I were on the Trump team trying to hunt for election fraud, I'd first look at the mail in ballot rejection rate in Pennsylvania. 2.63 million ballots returned; 7,411 rejected. 0.03% rejection rate across the state; roughly 50x lower than expected. Kinda crazy. And when you break it down into individual counties; it's even more absurd. For example, I take the biggest two Biden Counties:

Allegheny mail votes cast - 350,790 / mail votes rejected - 65
Philadelphia mail votes cast - 371,798 / mail votes rejected - 232

Seriously? And then I look at a small Trump county and see

Pike mail votes cast - 13,876 / mail votes rejected - 633

There is no way, on God's green earth that just 297 of more than 700,000 mail ballots in Allegheny and Philadelphia county would be rejected based on past precedence AND the fact that ballots were not opened until election day. It defies logic but does not prove fraud because I have to presume that both Red and Blue teams are making decisions, together about the validity of these ballots in the counting process.

But it's something that just doesn't make sense to me and something for which I have yet to see any explanation for.

Its simple to explain, people who vote for Trump are mostly rural, illiterate and don't have the ability to sign their own name let alone fill out a voter form properly. I say this in jest but I'm sure people seriously believe this for the reason for the numbers difference.

I agree with a previous poster. I was shocked when I voted for the first time this year and didn't have to show an ID of any kind. In person should be the only allowable way to vote and having to show a photo ID. Another thing that was odd to me was I had to sign some stupid gel pad which looked nothing like my signature on a piece of paper with a pen.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So you are ok with discrimination?

Where did you get that out of it? Lol

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[chezball]

TX sues GA, WI, MI & PA.
For illegally changing rules.
Violating US Constitution.
This 100% goes to SCOTUS.
Inside Safe Harbor Deadline.
Other States can join later.
Don’t Mess with Texas.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by chezball

TX sues GA, WI, MI & PA.
For illegally changing rules.
Violating US Constitution.
This 100% goes to SCOTUS.
Inside Safe Harbor Deadline.
Other States can join later.
Don’t Mess with Texas.

"Haha."
- Supreme Court of the United States

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by chezball

TX sues GA, WI, MI & PA.
For illegally changing rules.
Violating US Constitution.
This 100% goes to SCOTUS.
Inside Safe Harbor Deadline.
Other States can join later.
Don’t Mess with Texas.

Yep, all those guys out there Standing By, it's almost time!

Get those elbow and kneepads strapped on. Make sure those goggles don't move around when you're slithering under barbed wire. Double check those stashes of MREs in those bunkers, fellas!

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[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

They should not be fired either and I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled that a company can't fire for that reason. Correct?

Seems like the firing only goes one way that is the point. A business owner gets ripped for not wanting to serve at a gay wedding, but we protect the gays? Seems like a double standard.

Yes because we as a society were so civil about LGBTQ+ rights that the supreme court decided to hear the case just to put a bow on our already established nondiscriminatory social practices.

You're saying it's a double standard to rip gay discrimination and praise the firings of All Lives Matter and lockdown protestors. But what you don't see is they are both consistent in the idea of eradicating bigotry towards the oppressed

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by chezball

This country needs in-person voting with a voter ID.

Why? Absentee voting has been around since the Civil War. Also, show me the proven voter fraud cases. Just because you don’t like the results, doesn’t mean there was fraud. Geeze, for all the crap Democrats got in 2016, the right is making them look better and better with each day. Can’t say get rid of the electoral college because Trump lost the popular vote. So you instead attack the voting process itself when all major bureaus have declared the election to be safe and secure.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Yes because we as a society were so civil about LGBTQ+ rights that the supreme court decided to hear the case just to put a bow on our already established nondiscriminatory social practices.

You're saying it's a double standard to rip gay discrimination and praise the firings of All Lives Matter and lockdown protestors. But what you don't see is they are both consistent in the idea of eradicating bigotry towards the oppressed

This.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Why? Absentee voting has been around since the Civil War. Also, show me the proven voter fraud cases. Just because you don’t like the results, doesn’t mean there was fraud. Geeze, for all the crap Democrats got in 2016, the right is making them look better and better with each day. Can’t say get rid of the electoral college because Trump lost the popular vote. So you instead attack the voting process itself when all major bureaus have declared the election to be safe and secure.

There are literally hundreds of vids of voter fraud.
Next thing you'll tell me OJ didn't do it.

[DegaBama]

https://www.statnews.com/2018/01/15/...tal-pandemics/

Hospitals are being overran, tents are being built. Oh, this is 2018.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by chezball

There are literally hundreds of vids of voter fraud.
Next thing you'll tell me OJ didn't do it.

Videos!!?!?!?

Not videos!!!

Oh the horror, NOT VIDEOS!!

Wait..hundreds?!!! Like two zeroes?

How can that stand@!?@?!

If only there was a way to accredit this incredible news.

And here we were, thinking that this was all farts in the wind.

Video proof!!! Amazing!!!

Quick, tell someone in charge!

[discostu]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.statnews.com/2018/01/15/...tal-pandemics/

Hospitals are being overran, tents are being built. Oh, this is 2018.

Selective stupidity.

Please, more on the lack of effectiveness of masks. You're surely not tired of that yet.

As always, well played.

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.statnews.com/2018/01/15/...tal-pandemics/

Hospitals are being overran, tents are being built. Oh, this is 2018.

Doesn’t this support the argument of needing lockdowns?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by discostu

Selective stupidity.

Please, more on the lack of effectiveness of masks. You're surely not tired of that yet.

As always, well played.

Just trying to show where the goalposts are. The media never cared before about this stuff until now, so now everyone believes it to be the only time hospitals have been at max capacity in some areas.

And correct, masks are very ineffective. When 95% of an area is wearing it and their cases are at its highest point, then what's the point?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Doesn’t this support the argument of needing lockdowns?

Why didn't we lock down then, then?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Doesn’t this support the argument of needing lockdowns?

Nothing supports lockdowns, nothing.
The only ones who think they work are diaper face wearers.
The scared people who wash their hands 20x a day and still get it.
Maybe those people will change their minds.^^^

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by chezball

There are literally hundreds of vids of voter fraud.
Next thing you'll tell me OJ didn't do it.

I’ve asked for support maybe a dozen times. People just keep saying there are videos and photos.

And OJ killed his wife. 100%. He was found liable for her death in a court room. See how that works. There’s actual proof and evidence, enough to find him liable in a civil case. Where’s that for the election fraud? How many cases have delivered the goods in terms of hard evidence that resulted in a favorable verdict for the Trump campaign?

[Clark]

We do things a little differently in Canada. Human rights law protects sexual orientation from refusal of service, accommodation, employment, and other things. The wedding cake issue would be found illegal up here.

Freedom of speech is limited to hate speech laws. If speech is found to incite hatred towards an identifiable protected group (race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc) it is illegal. While it is a slippery slope I haven't seen any decision that didn't involve the most egregious of speech.

Taking a knee in a private work setting is not protected speech or a human rights issue. I assume this is the same in the US. Think about it, if I am flipping burgers at McDonalds, and a cop comes into the restaurant, I can't take a knee and stop working until they leave. If sports team owners decide standing for the anthem is a condition of employment, they would be free to fire players if they refused. But they won't.

[techtre2003]

Why? Absentee voting has been around since the Civil War. Also, show me the proven voter fraud cases. Just because you don’t like the results, doesn’t mean there was fraud. Geeze, for all the crap Democrats got in 2016, the right is making them look better and better with each day. Can’t say get rid of the electoral college because Trump lost the popular vote. So you instead attack the voting process itself when all major bureaus have declared the election to be safe and secure.

Even if we say there is no actual fraud, there always seem to be found ballots coming from somewhere. Plus you have ballots thrown out on technicalities - I think those people would like their votes to count. Absentee ballots should be limited to those who truly cannot physically get out of the house to vote. Something tells me that if Republicans flipped to the winner several days after elections as often as Democrats it would be a big issue (not with you, societal).

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Just trying to show where the goalposts are. The media never cared before about this stuff until now, so now everyone believes it to be the only time hospitals have been at max capacity in some areas.



And correct, masks are very ineffective. When 95% of an area is wearing it and their cases are at its highest point, then what's the point?

Lol. You still think there are goalposts.

That's some funny stuff right there.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Lol. You still think there are goalposts.

That's some funny stuff right there.

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There are. There's one, logical reason to shut down, and that's to not massively overwhelm the hospital system. That never happened. However, now it's about cases and maybe overwhelming a hospital here or there.

I understand why people are okay with this. They get to work from home and get paid the same. What a deal!

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Even if we say there is no actual fraud, there always seem to be found ballots coming from somewhere. Plus you have ballots thrown out on technicalities - I think those people would like their votes to count. Absentee ballots should be limited to those who truly cannot physically get out of the house to vote. Something tells me that if Republicans flipped to the winner several days after elections as often as Democrats it would be a big issue (not with you, societal).

Okay, again, how many times did people communicate to the public that this year, we wouldn’t know the winner of the election? If you choose to ignore those warnings and want to believe some massive fraud happened then that’s a “you” problem, not a system problem. Also, if we are as advanced of a country as we like to believe then we should have more ways to vote than only in person. If absentee and mail-in voting is so riddled with fraud then why is Trump changing his tune and encouraging voters in Georgia to vote those ways?

Trump knew that Democrats were pushing mail-in voting and knew his chances of winning were smaller than he’d like. He isn’t a dumb guy like some people accuse him of. He knew the play was to call the election results into question to either save face or maybe attempt to steal the election.

I don’t recall seeing or hearing of a single democrat calling for a revote in 2016. Yet there are plenty on the right calling for it right now. I hope all this nonsense hurts the right in the Georgia run off elections. It should. It’s ridiculous.

I honestly only reply to people on here because it’s fun to see how many ways those on the right can twist and turn this to try and fit their narrative. Trump lost. Trump lost by a wide margin. He’s going to have to deal with it. His followers should too. They won’t though, they’ll just call it a fraud election and cry about it for the next four years.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Okay, again, how many times did people communicate to the public that this year, we wouldn’t know the winner of the election? If you choose to ignore those warnings and want to believe some massive fraud happened then that’s a “you” problem, not a system problem. Also, if we are as advanced of a country as we like to believe then we should have more ways to vote than only in person. If absentee and mail-in voting is so riddled with fraud then why is Trump changing his tune and encouraging voters in Georgia to vote those ways?

Trump knew that Democrats were pushing mail-in voting and knew his chances of winning were smaller than he’d like. He isn’t a dumb guy like some people accuse him of. He knew the play was to call the election results into question to either save face or maybe attempt to steal the election.

I don’t recall seeing or hearing of a single democrat calling for a revote in 2016. Yet there are plenty on the right calling for it right now. I hope all this nonsense hurts the right in the Georgia run off elections. It should. It’s ridiculous.

I honestly only reply to people on here because it’s fun to see how many ways those on the right can twist and turn this to try and fit their narrative. Trump lost. Trump lost by a wide margin. He’s going to have to deal with it. His followers should too. They won’t though, they’ll just call it a fraud election and cry about it for the next four years.

Because there is too much at stake to not vote. If the dems get the senate, say hello to the green new deal.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Clark

Because there is too much at stake to not vote. If the dems get the senate, say hello to the green new deal.

But according to Trump, those ballots would just be tossed out or lost in the mail. Why didn’t he encourage people to do mail-in voting during the pandemic? It probably cost him the election.