Travis Kelce better than Rob Gronkowski? - Page 2

deemsterz33 · 12-01-2020, 09:02 PM

Gronk is the better player, Kelce will probably end up with better counting stats. Both will most likely be HOFers.

jasonm2121 · 12-01-2020, 09:56 PM

Yep. Remember Gronk didn’t have a Hill to take the heat off either. Stats only matter so much.

codered · 12-01-2020, 10:04 PM

Kelce is amazing and will be one of the best TE’s ever but gronk is the best ever. One thing stats don’t measure is blocking. Gronk was amazing as a run blocker (especially on the goal line) and amazing when asked to protect TB in the passing game. Not only was he the best pass catching TE of his era he might be the best blocking TE as well.

foleylion08 · 12-02-2020, 11:01 AM

Sheesh Kelce and Gronk are the same age? And Gronk has three extra seasons on him. Crazy. I'll take healthy Gronk, and even 80% Gronk over Kelce. His presence as a red zone threat are unmatched at his position in league history.

I mean FIVE double-digit touchdown seasons is insane for a TE. Gonzalez only did it three times and Gates and Graham only did it four. His 17 touchdown season is not just best ever for a tight end, but tied for fourth best in a season all time. No active player has had a better season, and only four players have ever caught more in a season.

Kelce is a threat and a beast, but you gotta find the end zone. Not to mention two yards fewer per catch.

ld8759 · 12-02-2020, 11:22 AM

Gronk is the GOAT of tight ends in my book. Kelce is a great one,but Gronk is way better with YAC,and it sometimes takes three or four guys to get him to the ground.

Zacy87 · 12-02-2020, 11:30 AM

Gronk easily.

I'd take Kittle over Kelce

Willikn · 12-02-2020, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zacy87

Gronk easily.

I'd take Kittle over Kelce

Availability is the #1 ability to have and that's been a problem for George. Otherwise yeah. Kelce is a poor blocker. Means a lot when measuring TEs.

The answer is Gronkowski.

lambeauleap87 · 12-02-2020, 07:29 PM

It's crazy to me that Gronk and Kelce are essentially the same size. I would've guessed Gronk had a few inches and about 40 pounds on him, just based on how well he's always been able to use that size.

49ersSF · 12-02-2020, 09:24 PM

Tony Gonzalez was probably the greatest TE.

14x pro bowl
1325 receptions (3rd all time)
exceptional run blocker. Here's a list of the RB's stats during his prime in KC from 2000-2008. During the same time he had 900+ receiving yards 8 times and made the pro bowl every season. He also revolutionized the position.

2001 Priest Holmes 1,555 yards
2002 Priest Holmes 1,615 yards (21 tds)
2003 Priest Holmes 1,420 yards (27 tds)
2004 Holmes/Johnson 1,473 yards (23 tds)
2005 Holmes/Johnson 2,201 yards (26 tds)
2006 Larry Johnson 1,789 yards (17tds)

49ersSF · 12-02-2020, 09:32 PM

I should also mention this. The QB's Tony Gonzalez had throwing to him

1997-2000 Elvis Grbac
2001-2006 Trent Green
2007 Damon Huard/Brody Croyle
2008 Tyler Thigpen
2009-2013 Matt Ryan

Matt Ryan has been a great QB but he struggled his first couple of years and by the time he became one of the better QB's in the league Tony Gonzalez was 36.

oplum29 · 12-02-2020, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

A healthy Gronk is the greatest tight end in modern football, IMO.

no arguments here

ThePatriotWay · 12-06-2020, 10:10 PM

Kelce hit 1,000 yards tonight, making him the first TE in NFL history to have five 1,000yd seasons.

KD35Russ0 · 12-07-2020, 01:27 AM

I didn't realize that they're the same age until tonight. Gronk is the far superior player at his peak imo. I also wouldn't be shocked if Kelce hit a decline phase sooner rather than later.

daveyc1 · 12-07-2020, 06:19 AM

GRONK, not close. He may be the best blocking TE ever. Kelce, not so much.

MeteoriteGuy · 12-07-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

GRONK, not close. He may be the best blocking TE ever. Kelce, not so much.

Kelce is a great blocker. Strange that so many, who are not in the Chiefs tv land, want to keep suggesting otherwise.

Several times this year, and previously, we have seen Kelce, make two blocks so Hill or someone was open. This is with him getting bumped on the line and having a defender assigned to him as well. Kelce taking four of the other team defenders out of the play is somehow not so much...is simply a joke.

Gronk was hurt too much to even be considered in my opinion. Now if you ignore such injuries, and ignore he had Brady throwing to him his whole career, then.....wait. How can one ignore those two factors?

pac213up · 12-07-2020, 03:38 PM

Kelce is a heck of a player but Gronk is the best I have seen. Gronk was as much of an elite blocking TE as he was a danger to make the catch.

foleylion08 · 12-07-2020, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

Kelce is a great blocker. Strange that so many, who are not in the Chiefs tv land, want to keep suggesting otherwise.

Several times this year, and previously, we have seen Kelce, make two blocks so Hill or someone was open. This is with him getting bumped on the line and having a defender assigned to him as well. Kelce taking four of the other team defenders out of the play is somehow not so much...is simply a joke.

Gronk was hurt too much to even be considered in my opinion. Now if you ignore such injuries, and ignore he had Brady throwing to him his whole career, then.....wait. How can one ignore those two factors?

*RUN blocker is what people are referring to, not blocking in the open field for receivers. It's pretty much understood that Kelce isn't the best blocking tight end out there. Nothing to be ashamed of. Do you not believe Gronk has taken four defenders out of a play at any given time?

So what does it say about Kelce that Gronk was "hurt too much to even be considered" and has almost 40 more touchdowns in just 19 more games?

1,000-yard seasons are cool, but the same knock people have on Julio being amongst the All-Timers applies to Kelce here: ya gotta score sometimes. Right now he's 21st all time amongst tight ends, while Gronk is 3rd.

Kelce has to *average* 7 touchdowns a season for 5 more years to catch Gronk. Gonzalez and Gates are the only two to achieve that feat into their mid/late 30s. If he can do that, toss him into the conversation.

I pull scrubs · 12-07-2020, 04:19 PM

The answer is John Mackey

MeteoriteGuy · 12-07-2020, 04:19 PM

Have not KC runners out performed NE runners....like every year?

chezball · 12-07-2020, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boston12

Can’t stand Kelce

daveyc1 · 12-07-2020, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

Kelce is a great blocker. Strange that so many, who are not in the Chiefs tv land, want to keep suggesting otherwise.

Several times this year, and previously, we have seen Kelce, make two blocks so Hill or someone was open. This is with him getting bumped on the line and having a defender assigned to him as well. Kelce taking four of the other team defenders out of the play is somehow not so much...is simply a joke.

Gronk was hurt too much to even be considered in my opinion. Now if you ignore such injuries, and ignore he had Brady throwing to him his whole career, then.....wait. How can one ignore those two factors?

Having Gronk is like having a 6th OL. Kelce isn't even in the same universe when it comes to blocking. Kelce is a glorified WR. If you really think Kelce is on a level with Gronks blocking, you are commenting way above your pay grade

blackbears86 · 12-07-2020, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

Sheesh Kelce and Gronk are the same age? And Gronk has three extra seasons on him. Crazy. I'll take healthy Gronk, and even 80% Gronk over Kelce. His presence as a red zone threat are unmatched at his position in league history.

I mean FIVE double-digit touchdown seasons is insane for a TE. Gonzalez only did it three times and Gates and Graham only did it four. His 17 touchdown season is not just best ever for a tight end, but tied for fourth best in a season all time. No active player has had a better season, and only four players have ever caught more in a season.

Kelce is a threat and a beast, but you gotta find the end zone. Not to mention two yards fewer per catch.

This is the argument to end all arguments.

And we aren't even discussing Gronk's blocking.

MeteoriteGuy · 12-07-2020, 08:36 PM

How can you guys keep crediting Gronks running blocking. When was NE ever a good running team? When does having a terrible running game ever mean you have the best running blocking tight end? If you cant run the ball....which NE never could....you dont have a good running blocker.

MeteoriteGuy · 12-07-2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

Having Gronk is like having a 6th OL. Kelce isn't even in the same universe when it comes to blocking. Kelce is a glorified WR. If you really think Kelce is on a level with Gronks blocking, you are commenting way above your pay grade

Kelce gets bumped at the the line...so no...he is not going to be a great running blocker. But he has never been needed to do so in KC either. KC has had no problem running the ball.

But again....if Gronk is this great blocker....why did NE suck running all those years? If you cant run the ball....you dont have a great running blocker.

foleylion08 · 12-07-2020, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

How can you guys keep crediting Gronks running blocking. When was NE ever a good running team? When does having a terrible running game ever mean you have the best running blocking tight end? If you cant run the ball....which NE never could....you dont have a good running blocker.

Imagine thinking not having a great run game makes a player a bad blocker. Anthony Munoz is considered one of the greatest linemen of all time.

Name a Bengals running back he blocked for. In a thirteen year career he blocked for three 1,000-yard rushers.

And Joe Thomas is to blame for Trent Richardson failing in Cleveland, right?

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12-02-2020, 11:22 AM	#30
ld8759 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,708	Gronk is the GOAT of tight ends in my book. Kelce is a great one,but Gronk is way better with YAC,and it sometimes takes three or four guys to get him to the ground. __________________ Rest in peace, Connor. Rest in peace, Leoneez.

12-02-2020, 07:29 PM	#33
lambeauleap87 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 24,744 LL87	It's crazy to me that Gronk and Kelce are essentially the same size. I would've guessed Gronk had a few inches and about 40 pounds on him, just based on how well he's always been able to use that size. __________________ I collect Packers, former Ohio State Buckeyes, Blue Jackets, and Cleveland Indians/Guardians.

12-02-2020, 09:24 PM	#34
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,831	Tony Gonzalez was probably the greatest TE. 14x pro bowl 1325 receptions (3rd all time) exceptional run blocker. Here's a list of the RB's stats during his prime in KC from 2000-2008. During the same time he had 900+ receiving yards 8 times and made the pro bowl every season. He also revolutionized the position. 2001 Priest Holmes 1,555 yards 2002 Priest Holmes 1,615 yards (21 tds) 2003 Priest Holmes 1,420 yards (27 tds) 2004 Holmes/Johnson 1,473 yards (23 tds) 2005 Holmes/Johnson 2,201 yards (26 tds) 2006 Larry Johnson 1,789 yards (17tds) __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

12-02-2020, 09:32 PM	#35
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,831	I should also mention this. The QB's Tony Gonzalez had throwing to him 1997-2000 Elvis Grbac 2001-2006 Trent Green 2007 Damon Huard/Brody Croyle 2008 Tyler Thigpen 2009-2013 Matt Ryan Matt Ryan has been a great QB but he struggled his first couple of years and by the time he became one of the better QB's in the league Tony Gonzalez was 36. __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

12-07-2020, 01:27 AM	#38
KD35Russ0 Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: North Jersey Posts: 2,576 jpbogardus22 KD35Russ0	I didn't realize that they're the same age until tonight. Gronk is the far superior player at his peak imo. I also wouldn't be shocked if Kelce hit a decline phase sooner rather than later. __________________ Always looking for vintage baseball HOF.

12-01-2020, 09:02 PM	#26
deemsterz33 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,859 phunkified	Gronk is the better player, Kelce will probably end up with better counting stats. Both will most likely be HOFers.

12-01-2020, 09:56 PM	#27
jasonm2121 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: GOAT City Posts: 11,997	Yep. Remember Gronk didn’t have a Hill to take the heat off either. Stats only matter so much.

12-01-2020, 10:04 PM	#28
codered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Saskatoon, SK Posts: 3,992 codered	Kelce is amazing and will be one of the best TE’s ever but gronk is the best ever. One thing stats don’t measure is blocking. Gronk was amazing as a run blocker (especially on the goal line) and amazing when asked to protect TB in the passing game. Not only was he the best pass catching TE of his era he might be the best blocking TE as well.

12-02-2020, 11:01 AM	#29
foleylion08 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,623 dynastysportscards17	Sheesh Kelce and Gronk are the same age? And Gronk has three extra seasons on him. Crazy. I'll take healthy Gronk, and even 80% Gronk over Kelce. His presence as a red zone threat are unmatched at his position in league history. I mean FIVE double-digit touchdown seasons is insane for a TE. Gonzalez only did it three times and Gates and Graham only did it four. His 17 touchdown season is not just best ever for a tight end, but tied for fourth best in a season all time. No active player has had a better season, and only four players have ever caught more in a season. Kelce is a threat and a beast, but you gotta find the end zone. Not to mention two yards fewer per catch.

12-02-2020, 11:30 AM	#31
Zacy87 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 10,659	Gronk easily. I'd take Kittle over Kelce

12-06-2020, 10:10 PM	#37
ThePatriotWay Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Texas Posts: 695 expandyourcollection 12ThePatriotWay87	Kelce hit 1,000 yards tonight, making him the first TE in NFL history to have five 1,000yd seasons.

12-07-2020, 06:19 AM	#39
daveyc1 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: maine Posts: 1,791	GRONK, not close. He may be the best blocking TE ever. Kelce, not so much.

12-07-2020, 03:38 PM	#41
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,260	Kelce is a heck of a player but Gronk is the best I have seen. Gronk was as much of an elite blocking TE as he was a danger to make the catch. __________________ "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

12-07-2020, 04:19 PM	#43
I pull scrubs Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,320 52saysgetoffthefield	The answer is John Mackey

12-07-2020, 04:19 PM	#44
MeteoriteGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 4,827 MarkBostick	Have not KC runners out performed NE runners....like every year? __________________ Always looking for low numbered Tony Gonzalez cards.

12-07-2020, 08:36 PM	#48
MeteoriteGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 4,827 MarkBostick	How can you guys keep crediting Gronks running blocking. When was NE ever a good running team? When does having a terrible running game ever mean you have the best running blocking tight end? If you cant run the ball....which NE never could....you dont have a good running blocker. __________________ Always looking for low numbered Tony Gonzalez cards.