2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[discostu]

Bet you sure could use a cool one Clark.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

Gun charges seem like an easy conviction though, right? Wisconsin law prevents minors from possessing weapons unless they are hunting. Not sure if that carries prison time though.

Yes, he will face gun charges. He was in jail for 3 months, not sure if that is long enough to determine "time served".

No chance he is convicted of murder. He was chased down, while running away. Self defense is not negated by the gun charge.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

Gun charges seem like an easy conviction though, right? Wisconsin law prevents minors from possessing weapons unless they are hunting. Not sure if that carries prison time though.

It's a misdemeanor in Wisconsin, I believe.

I suspect they'll nail him on some lesser charge, maybe involuntary manslaughter or something, couple years, whatever. We'll see. Murder (of any degree) seems like a stretch, but I suppose we won't really know until he gets his day in court.

I look forward to the trial. I'd guess there will be one. But who knows?

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by discostu

Bet you sure could use a cool one Clark.

Already there brother.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Clark

Yes, he will face gun charges. He was in jail for 3 months, not sure if that is long enough to determine "time served".



No chance he is convicted of murder. He was chased down, while running away. Self defense is not negated by the gun charge.

I think the relevant point of the case might be whether his actions provoked the attack against him.

Given what happened, with videos showing him attempting to retreat, running away and being chased, self defense would be a no-brainer outside of the context of the situation going on in Kenosha. But I think self defense isn't a viable defense if it is determined that his actions were provocative. Some might (and probably will) argue that simply being there with an AR was provocative. We'll see if that flies.

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[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I think the relevant point of the case might be whether his actions provoked the attack against him.

Given what happened, with videos showing him attempting to retreat, running away and being chased, self defense would be a no-brainer outside of the context of the situation going on in Kenosha. But I think self defense isn't a viable defense if it is determined that his actions were provocative. Some might (and probably will) argue that simply being there with an AR was provocative. We'll see if that flies.

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Also a wild card here is what the kid that sold him the gun does. Does he make a deal to save himself and testify against Rittenhouse?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I think the relevant point of the case might be whether his actions provoked the attack against him.

Given what happened, with videos showing him attempting to retreat, running away and being chased, self defense would be a no-brainer outside of the context of the situation going on in Kenosha. But I think self defense isn't a viable defense if it is determined that his actions were provocative. Some might (and probably will) argue that simply being there with an AR was provocative. We'll see if that flies.

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2A determines it is not provocative.

He was running away. First, a member of the mob shot into the air, creating the hysteria. The Rosenbaum dude tried to take Rittenhouse's gun and lost. The convicted sex offender made a grave mistake.

Then the mob chased after Rittenhouse further. The skateboarder didn't take literally the phrase "skate or die" when he cracked his board over Kyle's head.

The guy who had his bicep removed pulled a handgun and was looking to shoot. According to his buddy, his only regret was that he didn't kill Rittenhouse.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Clark

The media is claiming that the lawsuit is done. The lawyer who filed it, Lin Wood, disagrees. It will be going to the SCOTUS if it doesn't succeed on appeal.

I find it hard to believe that the SCOTUS will take up any of these futile attempts to overturn the election.

At the end of the day, states control elections. If state laws were followed as laid out, SCOTUS will defer to state laws.

Nothing about Georgia's process or results indicate anything outside of the law. Nor does a single aspect of any lawsuit filed

This, yet again, is nothing more than to further sell the distrust in a basic pillar of our democracy and to coddle the world's most insecure leader

It's a sad state of affairs for a powerful fringe of the party that seems to cling to the notion that they're somehow the keepers of the Constitution.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by Clark

Yes, he will face gun charges. He was in jail for 3 months, not sure if that is long enough to determine "time served".

No chance he is convicted of murder. He was chased down, while running away. Self defense is not negated by the gun charge.

You're quite misinformed. The charges weren't filed haphazardly. The first guy he shot did not, in any way shape or form, threaten his life. The first guy was not chasing him down. You can't just shoot people if they throw a plastic bag at you.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

You're quite misinformed. The charges weren't filed haphazardly. The first guy he shot did not, in any way shape or form, threaten his life. The first guy was not chasing him down. You can't just shoot people if they throw a plastic bag at you.

Plastic bags will get banned before guns. Sad.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by Clark

2A determines it is not provocative.

He was running away. First, a member of the mob shot into the air, creating the hysteria. The Rosenbaum dude tried to take Rittenhouse's gun and lost. The convicted sex offender made a grave mistake.

Then the mob chased after Rittenhouse further. The skateboarder didn't take literally the phrase "skate or die" when he cracked his board over Kyle's head.

The guy who had his bicep removed pulled a handgun and was looking to shoot. According to his buddy, his only regret was that he didn't kill Rittenhouse.

You're posting gibberish.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by discostu

I find it hard to believe that the SCOTUS will take up any of these futile attempts to overturn the election.

At the end of the day, states control elections. If state laws were followed as laid out, SCOTUS will defer to state laws.

Nothing about Georgia's process or results indicate anything outside of the law. Nor does a single aspect of any lawsuit filed

This, yet again, is nothing more than to further sell the distrust in a basic pillar of our democracy and to coddle the world's most insecure leader

It's a sad state of affairs for a powerful fringe of the party that seems to cling to the notion that they're somehow the keepers of the Constitution.

I guess we will see. The allegations are that the state leadership acted in violation of the constitution. Legislature is responsible for voting law, not individuals.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

You're posting gibberish.

I watched it happen live, it was disturbing so I have followed it since. What gibberish offends you?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Clark

2A determines it is not provocative.

He was running away. First, a member of the mob shot into the air, creating the hysteria. The Rosenbaum dude tried to take Rittenhouse's gun and lost. The convicted sex offender made a grave mistake.

Then the mob chased after Rittenhouse further. The skateboarder didn't take literally the phrase "skate or die" when he cracked his board over Kyle's head.

The guy who had his bicep removed pulled a handgun and was looking to shoot. According to his buddy, his only regret was that he didn't kill Rittenhouse.

2A isn't really a part of this case imo.

I hear what you're saying. It assumed some things that I'm not sure about yet, since a jury could decide the facts based on evidence different than what we've seen. I suppose that's their job and whatever evidence exists will be considered.

Self defense is more complex (in Wisconsin) than most people realize, I suspect. There will be legal wrangling and neither side has a slam dunk imo.

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by Clark

I guess we will see. The allegations are that the state leadership acted in violation of the constitution. Legislature is responsible for voting law, not individuals.

You can allege that someone travels to work riding a unicorn.

There is no "there" there.

Wenodis.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by Clark

I watched it happen live, it was disturbing so I have followed it since. What gibberish offends you?

A 17 year old illegally possessing a weapon across state lines, "defending" a business he doesn't own, in a state without "stand your ground" laws, shooting a guy who did not have a weapon to threaten him.

Also, stating a victim is a sex offender has no relevance.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

A 17 year old illegally possessing a weapon across state lines, "defending" a business he doesn't own, in a state without "stand your ground" laws, shooting a guy who did not have a weapon to threaten him.

Also, stating a victim is a sex offender has no relevance.

This isn't Dexter.

Also Clark doesn't like the U.S in case some here don't yet know this, and seems to consistently pull for whatever outcome will bring the most division in this country.

[StraWMyerS]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Plastic bags will get banned before guns. Sad.

If plastic bag bans lead to gun bans it would certainly be tragic.

Also sad that we haven't (as a society) made the switch to biodegradable containers apart from these types of mandates. With all the virtue-signaling pseudo-environmentalists on the Left, you'd think they would have peer pressured each other into effective boycotts of the many businesses that produce a ton of plastic waste. I actually share the concern about plastic, but it seems like a large share of liberals would rather themselves to serve as more evidence to their own argument that we can't solve these things ourselves, than to do anything about it at a personal level by voting with their dollars. Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry when thinking how brilliantly stupid humanity has become.

[lionsfan20]

Gotta love social media these days! Lol Instagram flagging CDC covid statistic screenshot as "partially false"

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

A 17 year old illegally possessing a weapon across state lines, "defending" a business he doesn't own, in a state without "stand your ground" laws, shooting a guy who did not have a weapon to threaten him.

Also, stating a victim is a sex offender has no relevance.

From his lawyer, he did not travel across state lines with a gun. He got it in Wisconsin. Even being underage, having a gun doesn't negate the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

"Stand your Ground" is irrelevant. He tried to disengage from conflict and he was chased down. Watch the video.

He will walk, facts don't care about your feelings.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

This isn't Dexter.

Also Clark doesn't like the U.S in case some here don't yet know this, and seems to consistently pull for whatever outcome will bring the most division in this country.

You're right I am not fond of your country. But I do not provoke for the sake of argument.

I get tired of the manipulation of US citizens by news, politicians, and the rich. When I see BS communicated repeatedly, I will stand up against it.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by Clark

From his lawyer, he did not travel across state lines with a gun. He got it in Wisconsin. Even being underage, having a gun doesn't negate the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

"Stand your Ground" is irrelevant. He tried to disengage from conflict and he was chased down. Watch the video.

He will walk, facts don't care about your feelings.

You're just throwing together random words.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

There is no doubt to any rational person at this point. Multiple Federal judges appointed by Repub. presidents have all shot down Trump's nutjob "legal" theories rife with zero evidentiary basis. We have an economy soon to be in a nosedive, and a major health issue going unchecked; it's time for adults to take over and let the incompetent fools leave with their tails between their legs.

Great. Then the legal system will handle it and we can all move on. Everyone in this country has a right to use the legal system to fight any perceived injustice or grievance they may have. Not sure why that offends so many in here? If there is no fraud or laws broken Trump will lose all cases and move on with his life like the rest of us. Never trumpers have nothing to worry about.

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Clark

You're right I am not fond of your country. But I do not provoke for the sake of argument.

I get tired of the manipulation of US citizens by news, politicians, and the rich. When I see BS communicated repeatedly, I will stand up against it.

Yet you're claiming that you want what's best for US citizens? Please.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

You're just throwing together random words.

Random words? Disregarding the Declaration of Independence? Sacrilege.

Next you're going to tell me that not all men are created equal.