2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This is not proof, it's a statement. That's all.

You are asking me to prove existence of a third. You are the one who said you could easily prove the non-existence of a third.

C'mon.

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No, I can prove that male and female are the only two genders. I cannot prove something that does not exist (the absence of something else); that's not how it works and you note this when you counter the idea.

I've show you male and female birth certificates from FL. I've proven those are the only two genders, haven't I? What more proof are you looking for? What can possibly satisfy you to believe that there are only two?

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Neither does he or she.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Sadly, we know the Earth is indeed not flat.

The fact you're comparing the two shows how disingenuous you're being.

Regardless, science is indeed looking for identifiers...and expecting to find them at the genetic and/or hormonal level at the fetal level.

And again, you're acting as though science is this non-evolving process.

Originally Posted by discostu

Wait, so first I needed to show science that indicated what I was stating, now the fence has been removed because science says things that we don't all believe?

Seriously, impressive.

No sir. You made it clear in your quote above that science is looking for identifies and expecting to find them at the genetic level and fetal level. The links you posted said nothing of the kind. That's not even what the research portended to show.

You moved them, not me. I was promised evidence of additional genders and all you showed was research that suggested mental imbalance.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm sorry but I don't understand. Can you put that quote into context for me please; so many posts and arguments it's not easy to remember what this was in reference to. (And I don't understand why it's your favorite)

Because you read really well, I'll help.

You stated that a "trans child is one who has transitioned. It's in the name."

It's my favorite because it's so inherently uneducated regarding the topic.

You might as well declare that a "trans child is a transnational child. It's in the name."

Which is kind of your specialty. Spouting off these factually thin, but wordy arguments about things you feel...but don't know.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

One male / one female. Florida birth certificates. If you can find one that has something else; you win.

Ahhh. Light bulbs just went off. I get why silly stuff is coming from you now. It's because you don't understand the language being used. I shall try to help.

These certificates are showing sex, not gender. These are two different things. A person's gender is not the same thing as a person's sex.

And no, a transgender person is not necessarily a person who transitioned. Moreover, "transitioned" has different definitions even within the trans community. A transgender person is a person whose gender does not match their sex. Whether they have acted upon that or not does not matter insofar as that person being transgender. If they take medical actions to fix it, they are then transsexual.

Transgender people are people that have a distinct difference from cisgender people. We can argue whether that difference is a mental disorder (gender dysphoria) or a medical issue, but clearly something is not the same for them. Transgender people often have trouble in life similar to people suffering from depression and often they seek professional help.

Call it a mental problem if you want. Many of them would agree with that assessment I suspect. But here's the thing: the treatment is often living as a gender not in line with their birth sex. This is the advice medical and psychiatric professionals give them. That is literally the treatment doctors suggest.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Because you read really well, I'll help.

You stated that a "trans child is one who has transitioned. It's in the name."

It's my favorite because it's so inherently uneducated regarding the topic.

You might as well declare that a "trans child is a transnational child. It's in the name."

Which is kind of your specialty. Spouting off these factually thin, but wordy arguments about things you feel...but don't know.

You continue to compliment me on so much; and I apprecaite it; thank you.

I still don't understand how it relates to today's conversation or how vote totals do but you are more than welcome to contextualize any past statements of mine; I stand by them all. Wouldn't have made them otherwise.

Thank you sir for continuing to participate in my factionally thin but well written discussion!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Ahhh. Light bulbs just went off. I get why silly stuff is coming from you now. It's because you don't understand the language being used. I shall try to help.

These certificates are showing sex, not gender. These are two different things. A person's gender is not the same thing as a person's sex.

No. If you want to go down that road, I have time today.

But sex and gender are not different. Sorry.

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Ahhh. Light bulbs just went off. I get why silly stuff is coming from you now. It's because you don't understand the language being used. I shall try to help.

These certificates are showing sex, not gender. These are two different things. A person's gender is not the same thing as a person's sex.

And no, a transgender person is not necessarily a person who transitioned. Moreover, "transitioned" has different definitions even within the trans community. A transgender person is a person whose gender does not match their sex. Whether they have acted upon that or not does not matter insofar as that person being transgender. If they take medical actions to fix it, they are then transsexual.

Transgender people are people that have a distinct difference from cisgender people. We can argue whether that difference is a mental disorder (gender dysphoria) or a medical issue, but clearly something is not the same for them. Transgender people often have trouble in life similar to people suffering from depression and often they seek professional help.

Call it a mental problem if you want. Many of them would agree with that assessment I suspect. But here's the thing: the treatment is often living as a gender not in line with their birth sex. This is the advice medical and psychiatric professionals give them. That is literally the treatment doctors suggest.

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It's mental.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You continue to compliment me on so much; and I apprecaite it; thank you.

I still don't understand how it relates to today's conversation or how vote totals do but you are more than welcome to contextualize any past statements of mine; I stand by them all. Wouldn't have made them otherwise.

Thank you sir for continuing to participate in my factionally thin but well written discussion!

It relates to a lot of what you write.

You spout nonsense under the guise of being somehow knowledgeable on subjects you know nothing about.

Be it the topic of transgender or mythical federal election laws...you have a really hard time accepting when you're wrong.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

It's mental.

Okay. Sure, whatever.

But it is a problem for them, similar to depression or some other issues and it often requires treatment. Can we agree on that?

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

It's mental.

This is correct, and simple. During the feminist movement of the '70's certain phrases started being coined that stuck. Gender spectrum was one of them; and then somehow, we split the idea of biological sex into something that was also psychological sex.

It's dumb, meaningless and just a way for people to twist reality in a way that makes them feel better. Man and woman. Masculine and feminine, boy and girl, male and female. You can call it whatever you want, but you're one, or the other and that's that.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No. If you want to go down that road, I have time today.



But sex and gender are not different. Sorry.

They absolutely are two different things. That should be obvious. If you see a man wearing a dress, his mind and his body clearly do not agree with each other, no? This is the difference between sex and gender. Call it a mental disorder if you want, but something is clearly different about that person.

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[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Okay. Sure, whatever.

But it is a problem for them, similar to depression or some other issues and it often requires treatment. Can we agree on that?

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I guess you are one to believe you are born that way. Sorry Charlie it's mental.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No. If you want to go down that road, I have time today.

But sex and gender are not different. Sorry.

The bolded is simply wrong.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

I guess you are one to believe you are born that way. Sorry Charlie it's mental.

I'm not arguing that it's mental, lol. I'm saying it exists. Mental, medical, whatever...it does exist and these people sometimes need help.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Okay. Sure, whatever.

But it is a problem for them, similar to depression or some other issues and it often requires treatment. Can we agree on that?

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Yes, absolutely. And I hate to steal an argument from someone else but it's a good one.

I want to be 22 years old. Why can't I be? Why can't I identify as 22? Because the simple reality is that I am not 22 years old. My friends can call me that, my family can pretend and I can act as if I'm that young but nothing will ever change my real age. Just as nothing is ever going to change my real gender.

Mentally, I know a lot of people struggle with it and we need to help them figure it out w/ kindness and compassion. But that doesn't change the reality of what is and what is not.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

It relates to a lot of what you write.

You spout nonsense under the guise of being somehow knowledgeable on subjects you know nothing about.

Be it the topic of transgender or mythical federal election laws...you have a really hard time accepting when you're wrong.

I think it's more that others have a hard time proving I'm wrong really. And man you really love that election law thing, I'm almost inclined to go back and re-read the discussion to see what you're talking about. But I might ruin the whole thing for you w/ re-discussion so I think it's probably best you just believe you've got me on something.

Your truth, amIrite?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes, absolutely. And I hate to steal an argument from someone else but it's a good one.



I want to be 22 years old. Why can't I be? Why can't I identify as 22? Because the simple reality is that I am not 22 years old. My friends can call me that, my family can pretend and I can act as if I'm that young but nothing will ever change my real age. Just as nothing is ever going to change my real gender.



Mentally, I know a lot of people struggle with it and we need to help them figure it out w/ kindness and compassion. But that doesn't change the reality of what is and what is not.

Sure.

So, these people (transpeople) are different than you or me in that they don't think they are what their bodies seem to be...they think they are a woman in a man's body or whatever. And that's a problem for them, they're not cool with it. Even if we go so far as to say they simply "want" to be something they're not, that's still a problem for them and they're still very different from you or me. Agreed?

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Sure.

So, these people (transpeople) are different than you or me in that they don't think they are what their bodies seem to be...they think they are a woman in a man's body or whatever. And that's a problem for them, they're not cool with it. Even if we go so far as to say they simply "want" to be something they're not, that's still a problem for them and they're still very different from you or me. Agreed?

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Yes.

(But the compassion/understanding for these individuals has nothing to do w/ the argument raised or discussed). Their inability to conform to science is not the problem of science.

[Onepocketj]

What the hell happened to this thread?

[NeedChapmans]

Props to CNN and Smerconish here. Just excellent.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1330165869507440645

Kaepernick should be laughed into oblivion.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes.



(But the compassion/understanding for these individuals has nothing to do w/ the argument raised or discussed). Their inability to conform to science is not the problem of science.

Okay, follow me here....

A man wearing a dress is in some form of conflict. We agreed. His clothing doesn't match his body or whatever. A better way of saying it is that his mind doesn't match his body. The conflict exists between two different aspects of the person.

Sex and gender. These are what are in conflict within that person. His mental disorder is that his mind (gender) does not match his body (sex).

This is not approving or disapproving if this person's choice to wear a dress, it's simply acknowledging his desire to do so.


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[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I think it's more that others have a hard time proving I'm wrong really. And man you really love that election law thing, I'm almost inclined to go back and re-read the discussion to see what you're talking about. But I might ruin the whole thing for you w/ re-discussion so I think it's probably best you just believe you've got me on something.

Your truth, amIrite?

You spouted nonsense about a mythical federal election law related to the acceptance of mail in ballots after Election Day, somehow claiming that these elections fell under a federal law that superceded state laws. Your premise what that votes would be contested should they be received by the states after Election Day, regardless of state election laws.

Revisit as you wish.

You were strong in your stance.

It was wrong then, it's still wrong.

Stick to numbers, leaves you less room for garbage.

[marl1220]

My coworker's son got in trouble at school because he refused to say there are more than 2 genders. She told the administration that she refused to accept any punishment that might occur, but she'd tell him he has to be "respectful" towards people's beliefs. Sounds to me as though the schools need to be more "respectful" towards people's beliefs. These so called "evolving' ways of thinking seem to be very one sided when it comes to tolerance. But that is nothing new when it comes to a liberal thought process. It's either accept it, as we ram it down your throat, or be prepared to pay the price.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

(Important point - confirmed by the STATE Supreme Court, not THE Supreme Court)

LOL if you think the Supreme Court is going to allow votes to count after the 3rd w/ a 5-3-1 Conservative majority.

Originally Posted by discostu

Look again at the North Carolina ruling.

Sweetheart Amy sat out the 5-3 vote.

She's on the Supreme Court right?

This was a beauty here.