2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 2563

JustRachel · 11-21-2020, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Neither of you are hearing me. It isn't that some people feel they must do X; against their natural gender identity. Rachel, paint yourself purple. Stu, go ahead and update the birth certificate. To the individual, you do you; and I don't care. Have a blast.

The issue for me is that today, it is no longer man and woman, we are trying to change the science. "Gender spectrum" is not a thing and yet we hear it more and more by those in science and in the media. All of a sudden, the facts that are still facts are trying to be diluted for political purposes of one side. I really don't care for that.

When you are born a woman, you have a uterus. No matter what you do for the rest of your life, you will continue to be a woman, with a uterus. Call yourself a man, act like a man, dress like a man, marry a woman; whatever you want. But you'll never escape reality. You / are / a / woman.

If we cannot agree to that basic principle; how am I supposed to take any argument about science you(general) may present seriously?

It's not that simple sometimes. Of course, most of the time it is that simple, but not always.

Some people are born with a uterus and a penis. What then?

Some people are born with a penis but they have it removed/replaced. What are they then?

Moreover, who cares? Why does it matter to anyone else? Why is it even political? Why does the science even matter?

Deny the existence of a gender spectrum if you want. I'm not all that educated on the matter to accept or reject the premise. I'm just saying it doesn't matter to me.

If Johnny wants to be treated like Jenny, so be it. I will address Johnny as Jenny and use female pronouns, not because I agree that Jenny is a girl but because I don't care. I have a choice...to respect Jenny's wishes or to be disrespectful. That's all.

Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali. I'm not going to address him as Mr Clay after that, simply out of respect, even if I think he is still Cassius Clay and is in denial of his own name.

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NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Science evolves, I'm not asking you to evolve with it.

Evolution of theory is a basic premise of science.

No. Only one side is arguing the evolution. It is not consensus, it is not fact, it is not science. It is simply a theory; no better than the idea that the Earth is flat.

I'd love for you, or anyone, to show me the science on the Gender spectrum and how at birth, the spectrum is identified.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

It's not that simple sometimes. Of course, most of the time it is that simple, but not always.

Some people are born with a uterus and a penis. What then?

Some people are born with a penis but they have it removed/replaced. What are they then?

Moreover, who cares? Why does it matter to anyone else? Why is it even political? Why does the science even matter?

Deny the existence of a gender spectrum if you want. I'm not all that educated on the matter to accept or reject the premise. I'm just saying it doesn't matter to me.

If Johnny wants to be treated like Jenny, so be it. I will address Johnny as Jenny and use female pronouns, not because I agree that Jenny is a girl but because I don't care. I have a choice...to respect Jenny's wishes or to be disrespectful. That's all.

Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali. I'm not going to address him as Mr Clay after that, simply out of respect, even if I think he is still Cassius Clay and is in denial of his own name.

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We're not talking about people born w/ two sets of genatalia. That is not the argument so it deserves no attention.

As for your bit about a name; there is no science behind "names". Do better please, these are both awful.

JustRachel · 11-21-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

We're not talking about people born w/ two sets of genatalia. That is not the argument so it deserves no attention.

As for your bit about a name; there is no science behind "names". Do better please, these are both awful.

You missed my point. Allow me to clarify.

My point is I don't care about the science of it.

The science of it has no bearing on everyday life for me or my decisions. I do not have to agree or disagree about the science. Nobody has asked me to do that.

My choice is to be respectful of people's self-identity or not. That's the only relevant part of any of this that I have control over.

The science can be this or that or whatever. I'm not accepting or denying it. I'm saying I don't care.

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NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

You missed my point. Allow me to clarify.

My point is I don't care about the science of it.

The science of it has no bearing on everyday life for me or my decisions. I do not have to agree or disagree about the science. Nobody has asked me to do that.

My choice is to be respectful of people's self-identity or not. That's the only relevant part of any of this that I have control over.

The science can be this or that or whatever. I'm not accepting or denying it. I'm saying I don't care.

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My choice is to be respectful as well; but I don't need to be peddled the lies by the same people trying to tell me why the science matters elsewhere.

You know. Close you business; go protest. Don't have Thanksgiving; let's have a dinner party.

carlo16 · 11-21-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

You missed my point. Allow me to clarify.

My point is I don't care about the science of it.

The science of it has no bearing on everyday life for me or my decisions. I do not have to agree or disagree about the science. Nobody has asked me to do that.

My choice is to be respectful of people's self-identity or not. That's the only relevant part of any of this that I have control over.

The science can be this or that or whatever. I'm not accepting or denying it. I'm saying I don't care.

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So if it doesn’t affect you then you don’t care. Maybe that’s why lockdowns and the arbitrary robbery of freedoms is ok with you. You don’t work and nobody has taken away your freedom to be overly opinionated so your life hasn’t changed one iota due to Covid.

discostu · 11-21-2020, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No. Only one side is arguing the evolution. It is not consensus, it is not fact, it is not science. It is simply a theory; no better than the idea that the Earth is flat.

I'd love for you, or anyone, to show me the science on the Gender spectrum and how at birth, the spectrum is identified.

Sadly, we know the Earth is indeed not flat.

The fact you're comparing the two shows how disingenuous you're being.

Regardless, science is indeed looking for identifiers...and expecting to find them at the genetic and/or hormonal level at the fetal level.

And again, you're acting as though science is this non-evolving process.

danfan1 · 11-21-2020, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

It's not that simple sometimes. Of course, most of the time it is that simple, but not always.

Some people are born with a uterus and a penis. What then?

Some people are born with a penis but they have it removed/replaced. What are they then?

Moreover, who cares? Why does it matter to anyone else? Why is it even political? Why does the science even matter?

Deny the existence of a gender spectrum if you want. I'm not all that educated on the matter to accept or reject the premise. I'm just saying it doesn't matter to me.

If Johnny wants to be treated like Jenny, so be it. I will address Johnny as Jenny and use female pronouns, not because I agree that Jenny is a girl but because I don't care. I have a choice...to respect Jenny's wishes or to be disrespectful. That's all.

Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali. I'm not going to address him as Mr Clay after that, simply out of respect, even if I think he is still Cassius Clay and is in denial of his own name.

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Also a grey area because even if the moderate people say okay Becky is now Buck, the problem begins where if you say you wouldn't date/marry a trans person your transphobic. Theres no end to the argument with the far left on this. Its never enough to be accepted you have to accept it, be a part of it, indulge in it. If you dont your racist, biggot, transphobic, xenophobic, hydrophobic, arachnophobic yadda yadda yadda.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Sadly, we know the Earth is indeed not flat.

The fact you're comparing the two shows how disingenuous you're being.

Regardless, science is indeed looking for identifiers...and expecting to find them at the genetic and/or hormonal level at the fetal level.

And again, you're acting as though science is this non-evolving process.

Sadly, we know there are two genders.

The fact that I'm comparing the two shows that they (flat earth, spectrum) are both, crazy, easily proven false theories.

And again, I would love for you to show me the science. You tell me they're looking and I say, what have they found? You continue to pummel this thread with "it's out there man" rhetoric, when in fact, it isn't. There is no science that says anything about a gender spectrum. Just political hacks trying to tell you why something that isn't true, is.

No better than Q; just mainstream.

discostu · 11-21-2020, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan1

Also a grey area because even if the moderate people say okay Becky is now Buck, the problem begins where if you say you wouldn't date/marry a trans person your transphobic. Theres no end to the argument with the far left on this. Its never enough to be accepted you have to accept it, be a part of it, indulge in it. If you dont your racist, biggot, transphobic, xenophobic, hydrophobic, arachnophobic yadda yadda yadda.

Equality isn't trying to somehow dictate who you date and/or marry. We all have different likes and dislikes...no one is arguing the other.

"Don't be a dick," is "equality" at it's most primitive level.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:41 AM

discostu · 11-21-2020, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sadly, we know there are two genders.

The fact that I'm comparing the two shows that they (flat earth, spectrum) are both, crazy, easily proven false theories.

And again, I would love for you to show me the science. You tell me they're looking and I say, what have they found? You continue to pummel this thread with "it's out there man" rhetoric, when in fact, it isn't. There is no science that says anything about a gender spectrum. Just political hacks trying to tell you why something that isn't true, is.

No better than Q; just mainstream.

You're not an inquisitive person are you? I mean, you've dug your heels in without even a cursory search.

A simple google search can provide you with what you seek. Who knows, maybe your google is broken.

And no, I don't expect you to click any of these.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7477289/

https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/...15)30695-0/pdf

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10843193/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0205084203.htm

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19341803/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20562024/

discostu · 11-21-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Cute.

Any word on the federal law about voting timelines that you spouted off repeatedly? Or still ducking that?

Maybe Trump can tweet that out.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by discostu

You're not an inquisitive person are you? I mean, you've dug your heels in without even a cursory search.

A simple google search can provide you with what you seek. Who knows, maybe your google is broken.

And no, I don't expect you to click any of these.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7477289/

https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/...15)30695-0/pdf

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10843193/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0205084203.htm

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19341803/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20562024/

I've clicked them all Stu and read three of the six in the past. They all come to the same conclusion. Mental disorder. None of these links attempts to do anything else; certainly does not devolve into the idea of a spectrum being present.

If you want to talk about the psychology of gender; that's a different conversation. It still does not change the fact that there are only two. Science is very clear on this and the six links you have provided, while showing the mental illness side of things does not change the science.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Cute.

Any word on the federal law about voting timelines that you spouted off repeatedly? Or still ducking that?

Maybe Trump can tweet that out.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

discostu · 11-21-2020, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I've clicked them all Stu and read three of the six in the past. They all come to the same conclusion. Mental disorder. None of these links attempts to do anything else; certainly does not devolve into the idea of a spectrum being present.

If you want to talk about the psychology of gender; that's a different conversation. It still does not change the fact that there are only two. Science is very clear on this and the six links you have provided, while showing the mental illness side of things does not change the science.

It's good that you write for a living, because you can't read for #@#@#@#@.

JustRachel · 11-21-2020, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by carlo16

So if it doesn’t affect you then you don’t care. Maybe that’s why lockdowns and the arbitrary robbery of freedoms is ok with you. You don’t work and nobody has taken away your freedom to be overly opinionated so your life hasn’t changed one iota due to Covid.

One issue has little to do with the other.

I have consistently and repeatedly said I am not in favor of lockdowns, lol. If you are going to insult me, please do it correctly.

I don't work because I can't work. I worked hard before my accident. Now I do what I can from home and that's that. Judge that however you please, but understand it before you use it as a slur against me.

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JustRachel · 11-21-2020, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sadly, we know there are two genders.

The fact that I'm comparing the two shows that they (flat earth, spectrum) are both, crazy, easily proven false theories.

And again, I would love for you to show me the science. You tell me they're looking and I say, what have they found? You continue to pummel this thread with "it's out there man" rhetoric, when in fact, it isn't. There is no science that says anything about a gender spectrum. Just political hacks trying to tell you why something that isn't true, is.

No better than Q; just mainstream.

Easily proven false? Okay...prove it false please.

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NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by discostu

It's good that you write for a living, because you can't read for #@#@#@#@.

I read very well, thank you.

Two genders. And some people who are struggling with the idea of being boxed into one of them.

That doesn't make the fact any less real. Science often declares many binary truths in life and it doesn't mean that 100% of the population believes it's an A or B choice. Again, that's not sciences problem.

You want to tell me about the spectrum; then I want to learn about the genders beyond male and female. But they don't exist so until they do, I think perhaps this has run it's course and you can tell me for a third time something that exists, but only in your mind.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Easily proven false? Okay...prove it false please.

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There are two genders. Male and Female. Boom, did it.

Do you have a 3rd to crush my proof above?

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 11:09 AM

One male / one female. Florida birth certificates. If you can find one that has something else; you win.

discostu · 11-21-2020, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Aren't you stating two completely separate things? A trans child is one who has transitioned. It's in the name.

The study you reference had data on 121,200 children from 2012 - 2015. Of those zero of them were trans. 1,068 of these children answered a question "No" that was asked "Are you certain of your gender identity" and it is from this group, that 51% of the respondents had said they had attempted suicide.

Still one of my favorites.

Polymath showing off that knowledge.

NeedChapmans · 11-21-2020, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Still one of my favorites.

Polymath showing off that knowledge.

I'm sorry but I don't understand. Can you put that quote into context for me please; so many posts and arguments it's not easy to remember what this was in reference to. (And I don't understand why it's your favorite)

discostu · 11-21-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I read very well, thank you.

Two genders. And some people who are struggling with the idea of being boxed into one of them.

That doesn't make the fact any less real. Science often declares many binary truths in life and it doesn't mean that 100% of the population believes it's an A or B choice. Again, that's not sciences problem.

You want to tell me about the spectrum; then I want to learn about the genders beyond male and female. But they don't exist so until they do, I think perhaps this has run it's course and you can tell me for a third time something that exists, but only in your mind.

Wait, so first I needed to show science that indicated what I was stating, now the fence has been removed because science says things that we don't all believe?

Seriously, impressive.

JustRachel · 11-21-2020, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

There are two genders. Male and Female. Boom, did it.

Do you have a 3rd to crush my proof above?

This is not proof, it's a statement. That's all.

You are asking me to prove existence of a third. You are the one who said you could easily prove the non-existence of a third.

C'mon.

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