Will Arod be inducted into the HOF?

jbellis74 · 02-10-2009, 12:22 PM

I know some people have already explained why he should be or shouldnt be in the HOF after this annoucement.

In 15 seasons he has played in 2042 games, 7860 AB's, 1605 Runs, 2404 Hits, 428 doubles, 26 triples and 553 homeruns and 1606 RBI's while batting .306

He averages 624 Ab's a year, 127 Runs, 191 Hits, 44 HR's and 127 RBI's

Based on stats alone it would be a no brainer but in light of recent announcements I am not sure if he will make it.

CaptainBOHICA · 02-10-2009, 12:24 PM

BAMBAM · 02-10-2009, 12:41 PM

Why is the whole HGH / roids in MLB still even news at this point ? Nobody who put up huge numbers from the mid 80s til the congressional hearings will ever be thought of as clean. Even a guy like Junior is probably suspect now.
Shame but its reality. People will lump everyone together from this time period.

If Arod gets in then you have to let Palmiero & McGwire in and if all of them get in then you have to let Clemens in as well. Its all a joke, nobody killed anybody, Selig and the players union let it all happen so who really gives a sh*t anyway ? The media has people brainwashed to believe this should matter in their life when there are far more important things to worry about these days. I for one could care less anymore because its old and boring.

wolffer12 · 02-10-2009, 12:44 PM

thank you Bam I agree 1000% it is played and does it really make you hit the ball anyways.. I can load up on HGH and roids and guess what.. I am still not hitting a 95 mph fastball..

BAMBAM · 02-10-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wolffer12

thank you Bam I agree 1000% it is played and does it really make you hit the ball anyways.. I can load up on HGH and roids and guess what.. I am still not hitting a 95 mph fastball..

It added to a guy like Bonds' HR totals because his power was slightly above average at best until Balco. Long fly ball outs became HRs but yes, he still had to make contact. McGwire had tremendous natural power as he put up numbers as a tall skinny rookie so he could have hit 40-50 HRS per year without juice like Howard is doing now. I just think its ridiculous how much attention is being given to this and how its become more of a SELECTIVE WITCH HUNT in the media. A-rod, McGwire and Bonds all put up huge numbers on the juice but if 90% of MLB players were juicing at some point in their careers does that mean just certain players should be singled out ?

ESPN will beat a dead horse like there is no tomorrow so I expect to be force fed this crap until March Madness.

jbellis74 · 02-10-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BAMBAM

Why is the whole HGH / roids in MLB still even news at this point ? Nobody who put up huge numbers from the mid 80s til the congressional hearings will ever be thought of as clean. Even a guy like Junior is probably suspect now.
Shame but its reality. People will lump everyone together from this time period.

If Arod gets in then you have to let Palmiero & McGwire in and if all of them get in then you have to let Clemens in as well. Its all a joke, nobody killed anybody, Selig and the players union let it all happen so who really gives a sh*t anyway ? The media has people brainwashed to believe this should matter in their life when there are far more important things to worry about these days. I for one could care less anymore because its old and boring.

Well heres the thing. Some people feel that because ARod admitted he used he should make it in as long as those were the only years he used whereas someone like Clemens to continues to deny ever taking anything should not be let in.

I tend to disagree. I dont think any of them should make it in but where does it end really. Did Griffey take something? He was always hurt and thats one side effect of the drug. Did Frank Thomas take something? How about Don Mattingly? He has a torrid couple of years in the 80's where he hit some nice homerun amounts.

ifish73 · 02-10-2009, 01:15 PM

If anyone wants to destroy their bodies for the game let them. It makes it more fun for us to watch.

Daniel Tosh puts it best when he says he wants his athletes to be like his video games. Let them die young from all the roids, you hate life after sports anyway.

How come no one ever mentions how rampant amphetamines are/were in baseball. You don't think they helped players?

BAMBAM · 02-10-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jbellis74

Well heres the thing. Some people feel that because ARod admitted he used he should make it in as long as those were the only years he used whereas someone like Clemens to continues to deny ever taking anything should not be let in.

I tend to disagree. I dont think any of them should make it in but where does it end really. Did Griffey take something? He was always hurt and thats one side effect of the drug. Did Frank Thomas take something? How about Don Mattingly? He has a torrid couple of years in the 80's where he hit some nice homerun amounts.

You answered my whole point. Nobody believes anyone was clean during this era in MLB history so who cares anymore ? The media and government need to stop digging for names of people they have a hard on for like A-rod and Bonds. Its not news that they kept digging until they found some dirty test when everyone figures their all dirty. Arod's ex-wife was probably one of the "4 un-named sources" who confirmed this in the press so what does that tell you ? Its a friggin circus that needs to shut down.

Its the MLB HOF not the Federal Government HOF. MLB let it all happen so why should anyone care who gets in or doesn't from this era ? They should have never wasted tax dollars on all this sh*t.

All I'm saying is you can't put one "cheater" in and leave one out. But with the way players get left out or inducted these days its a joke anyway.

Boo · 02-10-2009, 01:38 PM

Look at the NFL Hall of Fame...steriod use in the 70's was out of control (see the "cough" Steelers "cough". It was the era so no one gave a crap.

go_steelers07 · 02-10-2009, 02:22 PM

is the game more fun to watch when palyers are hitting monster homeruns..?..?....the answer is yes.

is the game more fun to watch when palyers are throwing 95 mph..?..?....the answer is yes.

Baseball is entertainment ..... period. these guys play because they get paid. not because they want to be role models. (that should be the responsibility of the parents, but that's another discussion)

as long as i'm enjoying what i'm watching...... i could care less what these players are taking.

mwheeler27 · 02-10-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by go_steelers07

is the game more fun to watch when palyers are hitting monster homeruns..?..?....the answer is yes.

is the game more fun to watch when palyers are throwing 95 mph..?..?....the answer is yes.

Baseball is entertainment ..... period. these guys play because they get paid. not because they want to be role models. (that should be the responsibility of the parents, but that's another discussion)

as long as i'm enjoying what i'm watching...... i could care less what these players are taking.

I almost completely agree with this. My only problem is when I look at it as if my son made it to the big leagues, and he gets pressured into taking steroids because it's the best, most efficient way to compete. Then one day he comes home and dies before I do because of what he put in his body while he was doing his job.

It would have been best had there never been anyone that ever took PEDs. But since it has happened, we need to find a way to not allow it to happen anymore and move one. What's done is done, and we all just need to move on.

It's naive to think the home run records will NEVER be broken. One day, someone will come along that will be the best baseball player to ever play the game. And then another day will come when the same thing happens, and then again, and again. That is of course as long as the game of baseball exists.

mwheeler27 · 02-10-2009, 02:55 PM

Is it "FAIR" that certain home run hitters play in parks that favor them to hit homeruns? Why should they get an advantage over other ballplayers whose home field is known for very few homeruns? Is this very different from not allowing certain new records to exist without an asterisk because someone had a supposed physical advantage over an old timer because of PEDs?

My point is I keep hearing all this talk about the playing field needs to be equal for everyone, when we all know darn good and well that that will never exist unless every single game is played on the exact same field in the exact same conditions. Are we hypocrites for thinking otherwise?

jbellis74 · 02-10-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Is it "FAIR" that certain home run hitters play in parks that favor them to hit homeruns? Why should they get an advantage over other ballplayers whose home field is known for very few homeruns? Is this very different from not allowing certain new records to exist without an asterisk because someone had a supposed physical advantage over an old timer because of PEDs?

My point is I keep hearing all this talk about the playing field needs to be equal for everyone, when we all know darn good and well that that will never exist unless every single game is played on the exact same field in the exact same conditions. Are we hypocrites for thinking otherwise?

Why wife always asks why arent all the baseball stadiums the same size? They are the same size in every other major sport. Look at the NHL, the NBA or the NFL. Each teams field or rink or court is always the same length and the same width so why is it 410 to center field in one ball park but 407 in another when it comes to baseball?

oldgoldy97 · 02-10-2009, 03:21 PM

With the way investigative reporting and the media have progressed since the early to mid 1900s to now, who is to say that even old time players did not have something that gave them an edge? How many pitchers doctored balls in the past and weren't caught? How many sluggers had pine tar or corked their bats and weren't caught? Maybe the tools for cheating have changed, but cheating wasn't invented in 1998.

SkinsFan · 02-10-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BAMBAM

Why is the whole HGH / roids in MLB still even news at this point ? Nobody who put up huge numbers from the mid 80s til the congressional hearings will ever be thought of as clean. Even a guy like Junior is probably suspect now.
Shame but its reality. People will lump everyone together from this time period.

If Arod gets in then you have to let Palmiero & McGwire in and if all of them get in then you have to let Clemens in as well. Its all a joke, nobody killed anybody, Selig and the players union let it all happen so who really gives a sh*t anyway ? The media has people brainwashed to believe this should matter in their life when there are far more important things to worry about these days. I for one could care less anymore because its old and boring.

Agreed, who gives a #@#@#@#@, roids makes you stronger but it doesn't help you hit the ball or give you control of the ball when you pitch. THose are abilities you have or worked hard to get. Everyone makes a big deal but the commissioner let them use it. They turned the other cheek because baseball was on a downslide and they wanted all the attention to help restore baseball. Regardless I think all of them should get it as long as their numbers back it up because roids/hgh doesn't make you a HOF baseball player, look at Jose Conceco

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SkinsFan · 02-10-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BAMBAM

McGwire had tremendous natural power as he put up numbers as a tall skinny rookie so he could have hit 40-50 HRS per year without juice like Howard is doing now.

I think Howard just eats too many philly cheese steaks and not enough Subway sandwiches

dustyshelf · 02-10-2009, 10:15 PM

They will vote him in because if you leave him out, you HAVE to leave out almost anyone who played during the 90s/2000s.

fm8418 · 02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

A-rods supposed steroid years were in Texas which is a Power Hitters paradise which inflates his HR's alone. If you take that into the equation, steroids might've not added any HR's at all in his seasons.

LonestarCards · 02-10-2009, 10:44 PM

Arod will probably retire with 800+ HRs, 15+ ASG's, 3+ MVPs, multiple GG's and a 300+ career average.

I think he is a lock

frozenntimesports · 02-10-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by go_steelers07

is the game more fun to watch when palyers are hitting monster homeruns..?..?....the answer is yes.

is the game more fun to watch when palyers are throwing 95 mph..?..?....the answer is yes.

Baseball is entertainment ..... period. these guys play because they get paid. not because they want to be role models. (that should be the responsibility of the parents, but that's another discussion)

as long as i'm enjoying what i'm watching...... i could care less what these players are taking.

Baseball is better when it makes sense. 50 home runs doesn't make sense often. 2008 was one of the best seasons ever and it culminated in one of the best played World Series. Two team with good pitching, speed to burn, and an awful lot of doubles hitters went at it at breakneck speed, that's what I want.

No one was more fun to watch than Maddux in his prime, and he topped off at 91-92 MPH.

I am glad baseball has returned to normal. My frustration is that players like Dale Murphy, Dwight Evans and Jim Rice (until recently), killers whose careers flamed out in their early 30s don't get the respect they deserve because of the steroid era.

If you look at Mark McGwire's 1998 season and Murphy's 1983 season through the prism of time in baseball (yes I'm writing a book and no you can't have the formula I used to do this, buy the book), they both hit the equivalent of .304 with 50 home runs.

I'm not arguing Murphy should be in the Hall (he should be BTW), I'm arguing that the 1980s era, one of the best in baseball pitching and speed wise (remember Vince Coleman and the Cardinals running wild in 1985) fades to grey compared to the stats of the mid-1990s.

arodfan17 · 02-10-2009, 11:40 PM

I don' tknow how you can completely write him off if what he did wasn't illegal when it was done. Thats like making it illegal to post on these boards tomorrow and then randomly punishing one or two of us for doing it today.. obviously I have a slighlty different view as he is clearly my favorite player but the point still stands

fm8418 · 02-10-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by arodfan17

I don' tknow how you can completely write him off if what he did wasn't illegal when it was done. Thats like making it illegal to post on these boards tomorrow and then randomly punishing one or two of us for doing it today.. obviously I have a slighlty different view as he is clearly my favorite player but the point still stands

what are you talking about, Steroids are illegal to use in the USA without being prescribed if I'm correct.

Baseball rules DON'T trump the LAW.

arodfan17 · 02-11-2009, 12:12 AM

this is a hall of fame question, no?

Wise4671 · 02-11-2009, 03:36 AM

He will make it in it's not like he was betting he was only using drugs (being sarcastic here)

mma138 · 02-11-2009, 08:10 AM

yes he should be in the hall of fame.

did he only use the drugs for 3 years ? maybe ? maybe not ?

steroids dont make you a champion, he has talent. if the sole reason for his success is the drugs , then why isnt everyone on them putting up his numbers ? answer = because there not alex rodriguez.

if it is true that this is the steroid era then wouldnt the playing field be pretty damn even ? if everyones doing it then in the end the most talented players will still be the best.

he will continue to put up sick numbers

then people will say "see he can do it without the drugs" what they fail to realise is he may be on something else. passing the test dont mean nothing. i always use olympic athletes as a prime example. marion jones passed every single test. later only to be found guilty.

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02-10-2009, 12:22 PM	#1
jbellis74 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wellington Fl Posts: 5,425 Bellis1974	Will Arod be inducted into the HOF? I know some people have already explained why he should be or shouldnt be in the HOF after this annoucement. In 15 seasons he has played in 2042 games, 7860 AB's, 1605 Runs, 2404 Hits, 428 doubles, 26 triples and 553 homeruns and 1606 RBI's while batting .306 He averages 624 Ab's a year, 127 Runs, 191 Hits, 44 HR's and 127 RBI's Based on stats alone it would be a no brainer but in light of recent announcements I am not sure if he will make it. __________________ *On any given Sunday you're gonna win or you're gonna lose. The point is - can you win or lose like a man?* Last edited by jbellis74; 02-10-2009 at 12:25 PM.

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BAMBAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 8,460	Why is the whole HGH / roids in MLB still even news at this point ? Nobody who put up huge numbers from the mid 80s til the congressional hearings will ever be thought of as clean. Even a guy like Junior is probably suspect now. Shame but its reality. People will lump everyone together from this time period. If Arod gets in then you have to let Palmiero & McGwire in and if all of them get in then you have to let Clemens in as well. Its all a joke, nobody killed anybody, Selig and the players union let it all happen so who really gives a sht anyway ? The media has people brainwashed to believe this should matter in their life when there are far more important things to worry about these days. I for one could care less anymore because its old and boring. __________________ IF YOU CAN'T TAKE AN HONEST REPLY THEN DON'T ASK.* ALWAYS BUYING '97 LEGENDS AUTOS OR H.O.F. AUTO NEEDS

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wolffer12 banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,420	thank you Bam I agree 1000% it is played and does it really make you hit the ball anyways.. I can load up on HGH and roids and guess what.. I am still not hitting a 95 mph fastball..

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go_steelers07 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nittany Lion Country Posts: 11,168 psu98	is the game more fun to watch when palyers are hitting monster homeruns..?..?....the answer is yes. is the game more fun to watch when palyers are throwing 95 mph..?..?....the answer is yes. Baseball is entertainment ..... period. these guys play because they get paid. not because they want to be role models. (that should be the responsibility of the parents, but that's another discussion) as long as i'm enjoying what i'm watching...... i could care less what these players are taking.

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mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	Is it "FAIR" that certain home run hitters play in parks that favor them to hit homeruns? Why should they get an advantage over other ballplayers whose home field is known for very few homeruns? Is this very different from not allowing certain new records to exist without an asterisk because someone had a supposed physical advantage over an old timer because of PEDs? My point is I keep hearing all this talk about the playing field needs to be equal for everyone, when we all know darn good and well that that will never exist unless every single game is played on the exact same field in the exact same conditions. Are we hypocrites for thinking otherwise?

02-10-2009, 03:21 PM	#14
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50,421	With the way investigative reporting and the media have progressed since the early to mid 1900s to now, who is to say that even old time players did not have something that gave them an edge? How many pitchers doctored balls in the past and weren't caught? How many sluggers had pine tar or corked their bats and weren't caught? Maybe the tools for cheating have changed, but cheating wasn't invented in 1998.

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dustyshelf Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 1,275 bozemanbreaker	They will vote him in because if you leave him out, you HAVE to leave out almost anyone who played during the 90s/2000s.

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fm8418 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 6,275 fm8418 fm8418	A-rods supposed steroid years were in Texas which is a Power Hitters paradise which inflates his HR's alone. If you take that into the equation, steroids might've not added any HR's at all in his seasons.

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LonestarCards Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 234	Arod will probably retire with 800+ HRs, 15+ ASG's, 3+ MVPs, multiple GG's and a 300+ career average. I think he is a lock

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arodfan17 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 596 arodfan17	I don' tknow how you can completely write him off if what he did wasn't illegal when it was done. Thats like making it illegal to post on these boards tomorrow and then randomly punishing one or two of us for doing it today.. obviously I have a slighlty different view as he is clearly my favorite player but the point still stands

02-11-2009, 12:12 AM	#23
arodfan17 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 596 arodfan17	this is a hall of fame question, no?

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Wise4671 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,944 john-wise	He will make it in it's not like he was betting he was only using drugs (being sarcastic here)

02-11-2009, 08:10 AM	#25
mma138 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,947	yes he should be in the hall of fame. did he only use the drugs for 3 years ? maybe ? maybe not ? steroids dont make you a champion, he has talent. if the sole reason for his success is the drugs , then why isnt everyone on them putting up his numbers ? answer = because there not alex rodriguez. if it is true that this is the steroid era then wouldnt the playing field be pretty damn even ? if everyones doing it then in the end the most talented players will still be the best. he will continue to put up sick numbers then people will say "see he can do it without the drugs" what they fail to realise is he may be on something else. passing the test dont mean nothing. i always use olympic athletes as a prime example. marion jones passed every single test. later only to be found guilty.