2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

If he was a fantasy politician like Biden, no doubt he wins. But he was never that. He tried locking down and a vast majority of people listened... and then George Floyd died, protests happened, and Democratic Governors supported them. At that point, nothing mattered anymore. It all goes back to the fact that he could have done EVERYTHING to "stop" this, half of this country would have not supported him.



Biden is the president because he lives in a fantasy world. What we saw with Trump is what we will see with Biden, the hope is it doesn't also come with massive money losses for everyone.

This is how I always thought of Trump. It started back during his campaign. He said such ridiculous stuff that I thought he sounded like Obama when he was campaigning. He promised the world, and it was all going to be free. Deficit reduction, debt gone in eight years, Mexico paying for stuff, China paying for stuff...it was ridiculous. At first I thought the man was just trying to convince stupid people to vote for him and assuming they wouldnt question the absurdity of getting everything they wanted for free. But over time I came to realize that he wasn't intending to lie. He actually believed most of that crap could happen and that he could get it done. Honestly, I'm not sure which is more pathetic.

Trump is the fantasy president. He always has been. The man has a serious disconnect with reality. Even now, he stomps his feet and whines about an election that has been over for a week. His own team tells him it's over but he just can't accept reality. The man needs professional help.

The Senate is there to check Biden when necessary. They'll curtail enough of his craziness that we'll be okay in the long run. He may not be grounded in reality either, but a tuna sandwich with Senate oversight is far preferable to a lying, delusional, foot-stomping crybaby with a nuke button.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

Yes, i am raging.... i just threw my couch across the living room. You are just "fool" of assumptions.

Oh look I made a pun.

I am fortunate to be a in a very good position. But as a catholic and human I worry about my fellow man. If i have to close down next week and lay off individuals i will gladly forgo my salary and give to someone more in need.

Good, that's why you don't mind closing down. You can handle it better.

It's funny how that works, the lockdown crowd likes it because they can stay at home and work. Or, they want free stuff and believe it's coming. Of course these people want to lockdown.

[sonnyday]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This is accurate. To anyone that wants to solely blame trump, I’d ask: how much responsibility is placed on Trump for not leading the public with more transparency, public health bureaucracies for their own lack of clear direction and preparedness, Governors for playing team politics and early nursing home mismanagement, China for starting the virus, Americans for our general inability to get on the same page with anything, mainstream media for perpetuating false narratives that led to protests, and more I’m not considering.

I think there’s a lot of blame to go around, but i simply see it as a bad situation that we have to deal with. I’d say trump is at or near the bottom of the list in terms of blame, and on a case by case basis some blame can be weighted more heavily (nursing home killers). Taking action sooner would’ve done nothing as the virus is now ramping up months after cases seemed to have dropped for good. We have this fetish for making ourselves victims and placing blame wherever and whenever. We’re all to blame.

Where did i say this was solely Trumps fault? I said Trump tweets more he than leads.
What leader of the free world acts like this during a pandemic? He is a lunatic. He is focused more on what fox news thinks of him than saving lives.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Beast mode. I know a drywall guy if you need one. Lmk

Lol this is what I was thinking. Tossing couches around? Impressive! Best I could manage is maybe a lamp.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

Where did i say this was solely Trumps fault? I said Trump tweets more he than leads.
What leader of the free world acts like this during a pandemic? He is a lunatic. He is focused more on what fox news thinks of him than saving lives.

I wasn’t calling you out. Just throwing out my take on the blame game. No debate... he’s out of pocket quite often.

[sonnyday]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Good, that's why you don't mind closing down. You can handle it better.

It's funny how that works, the lockdown crowd likes it because they can stay at home and work. Or, they want free stuff and believe it's coming. Of course these people want to lockdown.

Delusional you are. I will have to lay off nearly 800 people (20 unit restaurant group). I am sure they all want to be laid off 40 days before Christmas.

Oh wait.....they can work from home, you are right!

Keep the assumptions coming. Dont make a "fool" of yourself.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Good, that's why you don't mind closing down. You can handle it better.



It's funny how that works, the lockdown crowd likes it because they can stay at home and work. Or, they want free stuff and believe it's coming. Of course these people want to lockdown.

A partial lockdown in March was the correct choice at that time. Things are different now. A lockdown will not be effective. We have different goals now than we had then. We see the virus differently now than we did then. Many things have changed.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

Now broad assumptions, lol..... you truly are a fool.

He says foolish things sometimes. Okay, often. But that does not mean he is a fool. There is a big difference.

Just pointing that out. Carry on.

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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

Delusional you are. I will have to lay off nearly 800 people (20 unit restaurant group). I am sure they all want to be laid off 40 days before Christmas.

Oh wait.....they can work from home, you are right!

Keep the assumptions coming. Dont make a "fool" of yourself.

Why did you quote the word 'fool'?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

Yes, i am raging.... i just threw my couch across the living room. You are just "fool" of assumptions.



Oh look I made a pun.



I am fortunate to be a in a very good position. But as a catholic and human I worry about my fellow man. If i have to close down next week and lay off individuals i will gladly forgo my salary and give to someone more in need.

Martyrdom achieved, advance to next level.

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[DegaBama]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...t-fan-capacity

This would work... but then I realized they play in California... and that state doesn't like science.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

Delusional you are. I will have to lay off nearly 800 people (20 unit restaurant group). I am sure they all want to be laid off 40 days before Christmas.

Oh wait.....they can work from home, you are right!

Keep the assumptions coming. Dont make a "fool" of yourself.

You love that word. Can you not close down?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...t-fan-capacity



This would work... but then I realized they play in California... and that state doesn't like science.

Oh reeeeeeeealy. Hmmmph. (couldn't find the sarcasm font, best I could do.)

If California doesn't like science, why is this there???
(my bishop just placed you in check).



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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Oh reeeeeeeealy. Hmmmph. (couldn't find the sarcasm font, best I could do.)

If California doesn't like science, why is this there???
(my bishop just placed you in check).



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HA! That's funny.

[sonnyday]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Martyrdom achieved, advance to next level.

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This made me laugh.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...t-fan-capacity

This would work... but then I realized they play in California... and that state doesn't like science.

Yes it most likely would work but the question is will going to a live basketball game be worth the hassle. For now I would much rather view it from the safety of my own home.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

So Trump is what, 0-16 now in lawsuits?
Plus Arizona found no evidence of fraudulent voting and the judge threw out his libel lawsuit against CNN.
He's doing really well...

There is no chance that he would win at the state level. Good thing he got Amy Coney Barrett in SCOTUS.

[discostu]

Because Donald Trump won 2016 in a self-described "landslide," alluding to the Electoral College margin (even after losing the popular vote by close to 3 million votes)...did he now just lose in a landslide?

Same margin...but on the other side, and losing the popular vote by perhaps 6 million this time.

Where's Kellyanne when we need her to explain these..."alternative facts?"

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by discostu

Because Donald Trump won 2016 in a self-described "landslide," alluding to the Electoral College margin (even after losing the popular vote by close to 3 million votes)...did he now just lose in a landslide?

Same margin...but on the other side, and losing the popular vote by perhaps 6 million this time.

Where's Kellyanne when we need her to explain these..."alternative facts?"

I dont think so. Popular vote doesn't really matter, a lot of these states were very close.

He lost 28-16. He was in it until the 4th quarter.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by discostu

Because Donald Trump won 2016 in a self-described "landslide," alluding to the Electoral College margin (even after losing the popular vote by close to 3 million votes)...did he now just lose in a landslide?

Same margin...but on the other side, and losing the popular vote by perhaps 6 million this time.

Where's Kellyanne when we need her to explain these..."alternative facts?"

Yeah, 306 qualified as a landslide in 2016. Here are some Trump quotes from back then.

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306"

"I think the Democrats are putting it out because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country."

"The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

It's funny how times change.

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[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yeah, 306 qualified as a landslide in 2016. Here are some Trump quotes from back then.

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306"

"I think the Democrats are putting it out because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country."

"The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

It's funny how times change.

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It's also not true for either 2016 or 2020. If these were landslides, what were Obama's 365-173 and 332-206? Tsunamis? I don't believe we're ever gonna see true 1984 style victories ever again based on the polarization of the country.

[yanksfan1]

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro on Fox Business: "We are moving forward here at the White House under the assumption that there will be a second Trump term... We think he won that election, and any speculation about what Joe Biden might do I think is moot at this point."

This makes me feel better because Peter Navarro is famous for being wrong about everything

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yeah, 306 qualified as a landslide in 2016. Here are some Trump quotes from back then.

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306"

"I think the Democrats are putting it out because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country."

"The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

It's funny how times change.

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It was a dumb, blustery thing to say then considering 306-232 is in the bottom quarter of margins of victory.

Biden's victory, while more decisive, is also not a "landslide."

Trump's win was a surprise in 2016. He can always hold onto that.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro on Fox Business: "We are moving forward here at the White House under the assumption that there will be a second Trump term... We think he won that election, and any speculation about what Joe Biden might do I think is moot at this point."

This makes me feel better because Peter Navarro is famous for being wrong about everything

It's either insane or unsettling that this is the mentality.

The GOP needs to step in here and stop playing along.

[Vintage Collector]

Bottom line is there was alot of shady crap that took place in this election. Both candidates should want to expose any fraud so this doesn't happen again.