2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by persona

Election is over and Vaccine news is out.

I live by Pfizer here in MI and local news is all over them right now. Impeccable timing.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by persona

Election is over and Vaccine news is out.

Trump had been saying that he believed they were close on a vaccine before the election happened.........

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

As I've said many times in this thread, I didn't vote for Biden. No skin in the game. Interesting that you resort to going back to 2016 vs acknowledging what he's doing and the negative impact it's having.

Didn't vote for trump... and history is history. It's just easier to show the hypocrisy in hopes that we learn. But as I've said, stupidity isn't a party. Hopefully the left realizes it wasn't worth the stupid battle in 2016 like the right will realize but.... they won't.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Maybe you did idk. It was surely the stance of the right in 2016 but look at them now....

A lot of short memories is all I have to say.....

Agreed Mike, and to my knowledge in modern day with machines I've never heard of all this stop starting of votes counting. If I'm the president I fight tooth and nail, especially with how the left has treated him the past 4 years, id be skeptical too. Why can't he have his due process on this without the hissy fits from the dems? They talk about democracy, this is a first of its kind election where I do smell some shadiness, let them look, what are you guys so afraid of?

[persona]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Trump had been saying that he believed they were close on a vaccine before the election happened.........

Yeah, very unfortunate for Donnie that this was announced today.

[persona]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I live by Pfizer here in MI and local news is all over them right now. Impeccable timing.

I voted Biden and not much of conspiracy theorist but you have to second guess the timing and have to somewhat assume this was premeditated.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by cnewby

And then what?

And then we’ll know they care about this country as much as liberals do.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

Agreed Mike, and to my knowledge in modern day with machines I've never heard of all this stop starting of votes counting. If I'm the president I fight tooth and nail, especially with how the left has treated him the past 4 years, id be skeptical too. Why can't he have his due process on this without the hissy fits from the dems? They talk about democracy, this is a first of its kind election where I do smell some shadiness, let them look, what are you guys so afraid of?

Well my reason is the same reason the left shouldn't have been able to in 2016, there's no case. Now I don't blame him just because it's his right but as rational people, we should realize this is dumb.

[Brobocop]

For those crying about 2016, show me the multiple tweets from Clinton talking about how fraudulent the election was or how there were all these instances of fraud that never materialized.

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

some of trumps priorities were to bring corruption and hypocrisy to light. corruption and hypocrisy in politics, washington, media, and now voting. mission accomplished.

His Presidency sure did expose how corrupt the highest levels of government are. Mission accomplished indeed.

As for those people who say "I have no skin in this game" well, they aren't fooling anyone. We all have skin in the game, even if we're not American. Those folks are just naively trying to appear unbiased in the hopes their opinion will carry more weight.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Well my reason is the same reason the left shouldn't have been able to in 2016, there's no case. Now I don't blame him just because it's his right but as rational people, we should realize this is dumb.

I disagree, way too many irregularities, like I said I won't be happy the dems are in, but I'll fully accept it if it's found to be legit, but this, the vaccine just happening to be about ready, all of the reeks of shadiness. Gotta get some stuff done, I'll check in later.

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

I disagree, way too many irregularities, like I said I won't be happy the dems are in, but I'll fully accept it if it's found to be legit, but this, the vaccine just happening to be about ready, all of the reeks of shadiness. Gotta get some stuff done, I'll check in later.

The vaccine is not ready. Read the articles. More research is needed, but promising early results are being reported. But even if it WERE ready, didn't 45 promise it would be around this time?

Conspiracy theories like yours do nothing but fuel stupidity.

ALSO: those election "irregularities" happen all the time. They are always weeded out. People like you just see what you want to see.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

For those crying about 2016, show me the multiple tweets from Clinton talking about how fraudulent the election was or how there were all these instances of fraud that never materialized.

Explain me the entire impeaching process. Please stop. If you want to make a case then don't play ignorant. I didn't even vote for Trump but if the left can't see the hypocrisy then it's cause their tin foil hats are covering their eyes.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

And then we’ll know they care about this country as much as liberals do.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by A Levine

The vaccine is not ready. Read the articles. More research is needed, but promising early results are being reported. But even if it WERE ready, didn't 45 promise it would be around this time?

Conspiracy theories like yours do nothing but fuel stupidity.

ALSO: those election "irregularities" happen all the time. They are always weeded out. People like you just see what you want to see.

I said about ready

It's really not that farfetched...busted pipes, software errors, alot of funny stuff. Stopping counting then going back and Biden gets 120k votes. I'm okay being wrong, I'll eat crow, it won't be the first time. But let's let this guy get his investigation. What's the harm honestly?

I'd rather be stupid than be socialist and stupid.

[Locoduck]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I live by Pfizer here in MI and local news is all over them right now. Impeccable timing.

Welcome back champ!! Took a few days to wipe away tears huh?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

I said about ready

It's really not that farfetched...busted pipes, software errors, alot of funny stuff. Stopping counting then going back and Biden gets 120k votes. I'm okay being wrong, I'll eat crow, it won't be the first time. But let's let this guy get his investigation. What's the harm honestly?

I'd rather be stupid than be socialist and stupid.

So you’ll admit to being wrong about voting? Because I have a spoiler alert for you.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Locoduck

Welcome back champ!! Took a few days to wipe away tears huh?

I was here after election, still here now. Not sure what you're trying to stir up. I still go to work every day and enjoy my life.

It was truly a miracle you never got reported in here, congrats on not being important to anybody.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is correct. Bluster, legal challenges, recounts... it's all part of the deal. Just kick back, have a cold one and Biden will be inaugurated on the 20th of January, 2021 right on time.

in case anyone needs a reminder.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

I said about ready



It's really not that farfetched...busted pipes, software errors, alot of funny stuff. Stopping counting then going back and Biden gets 120k votes. I'm okay being wrong, I'll eat crow, it won't be the first time. But let's let this guy get his investigation. What's the harm honestly?



I'd rather be stupid than be socialist and stupid.

Not to mention strange vote shifts.ike 40k+ votes disappeared from jo Jorgensen count then ended up on bidens count. The time stamps show it. I am sure its another convenient mistake.

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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Explain me the entire impeaching process. Please stop. If you want to make a case then don't play ignorant. I didn't even vote for Trump but if the left can't see the hypocrisy then it's cause their tin foil hats are covering their eyes.

Trump was impeached for obstruction of justice and abuse of power. The core one for me and most on the left was his apparent quid pro quo of Ukraine. Everyone should agree that a sitting President should be removed from office if they did indeed tell a foreign government that they would withhold aid money unless they aided in the investigation of a political opponent.

As far as the Russian interference into the 2016 election, I don't think the Democrat position was that Russian cast fraudulent ballots. I think the claim was that Russian propaganda had found its way into our news outlets and was also propagated by Trump and his campaign. In fact, it looked like some in the Trump campaign worked with and openly accepted misleading or hacked documents to hurt the Clinton campaign.

Again, if the Trump campaign is squeaky clean, then why did so many wind up in court or in jail?

So in short, the left's claim of Russian interference into the 2016 election, something that there is very little doubt of at this point is vastly different than the right's claim of fraudulent ballots being cast or counted in the 2020 election. Trump's conduct the past week, from declaring victory Wednesday morning to claiming states he lost as his on Twitter later in the week, is disgusting and immoral. He's doing everything he can to disparage the office as it's clear he lost and is on his way out.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

in case anyone needs a reminder.

I mean comon. Right wing conspiracy Twitter is all in right now; talking about how 130,000 votes in Fulton won't count because of address changes; people were getting bussed in from California to vote in NV; how dead people were voting en masse in Michigan ...

Sadly, there are many many people who believe these things are not just possible, but likely. It all sounds pretty funny to me; to think there's a mult-state operation going on where Democratic voters used different frauds in different places to get the job done but let's be honest; they're not that smart!

A way to ensure this doesn't happen next election of course is to offer more transparency into the vote counting process; allow states to offer more data into where the vote is coming from and what type of vote (mail, election day, provisional etc.) so that these little conspiracies cannot hatch. The only reason they're allowed to exist is because we do a sucky job of keeping the curtain open sometimes.

Just
Be
Florida
(For voting purposes and early year weather only)

I'm gonna keep saying it until it happens.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by callou2131

Not to mention strange vote shifts.ike 40k+ votes disappeared from jo Jorgensen count then ended up on bidens count. The time stamps show it. I am sure its another convenient mistake.

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What does this picture show? Going by the vote counts, Trump gained 128k votes, Biden 102k votes, and Jo lost 42k votes. Let's assume it's accurate because odds are good it's not, Trump gained the most votes yet we are to question Biden's vote count?

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

So you’ll admit to being wrong about voting? Because I have a spoiler alert for you.

if after this is done and he still lost, sure ill gladly admit being wrong, i mean i'm proud, but not that proud to admit i was wrong about something. If the dems are so confident in this, they should be loving him scrambling trying to figure this out, it will only make him look more pathetic if they still find biden to be the winner, so again whats the rush/problem here?

Originally Posted by callou2131

Not to mention strange vote shifts.ike 40k+ votes disappeared from jo Jorgensen count then ended up on bidens count. The time stamps show it. I am sure its another convenient mistake.

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see i didnt even know about this one, but im sure many in this thread have a perfect explanation for this..

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

What does this picture show? Going by the vote counts, Trump gained 128k votes, Biden 102k votes, and Jo lost 42k votes. Let's assume it's accurate because odds are good it's not, Trump gained the most votes yet we are to question Biden's vote count?

Correct. If these images are real (maybe), the only thing you can conclude is that Jo Jo lost votes. It doesn't mean they all went to Biden.