Patrick Mahomes Prices

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Post #16215 mentioned a few of them; but never hurts to add info you haven't seen before! I had not seen the superfractor 1/1

I admit I missed that post, but I was stunned seeing that NT price. That Super sold for cheap on eBay quite a while ago. There was also a Game Used jersey from the 2019 Mexico City game against the Chargers.

Originally Posted by Jblaw1

So your saying the card I left in those packs is now worth a new pickup

What can I say? That card was about $1,250 when I pulled it.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I have a feeling that out friend Hellcat will not be with us the rest of the evening

But Brady is going to be the huge MVP favorite after this game. He said so!

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by burke23

I have a few soccer cards - otherwise I’ve basically gone all-in on him since January.

Football, yes. No one else even interest me
Basketball—Luka, Trae and JJJ
BASEBALL—soto/acuna

[burke23]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Football, yes. No one else even interest me
Basketball—Luka, Trae and JJJ
BASEBALL—soto/acuna

Love Luka - only other young guy that I think has potential for ATG status. His stuff is so pricey though - had a few prizm (silvers, RWBs, and a blue) and sold those to buy some nicer Mahomes. Basketball collecting is next level - ha.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I have a feeling that out friend Hellcat will not be with us the rest of the evening

Hey cut the guy a break. I mean Brady doesn’t have anywhere near the weapons that Mahomes does.

Oh wait

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Hey cut the guy a break. I mean Brady doesn’t have anywhere near the weapons that Mahomes does.

Oh wait

Two guys i wont cut a break around here:

-Brady kid trying to diminish anything mahomes does
-Uncle Rico D1 stud QB who made the thread talking about Mahomes’ bum shoulder and has disappeared since.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Any of you guys ONLY collecting Mahomes?

For football, yes. No reason to buy anyone else.

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Any of you guys ONLY collecting Mahomes?

I only collect Mahomes - Going to start collecting Soto this offseason.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For football, yes. No reason to buy anyone else.

I'd disagree.

There are cards of Brady out there that are worth collecting.

[burke23]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'd disagree.

There are cards of Brady out there that are worth collecting.

Absolutely- but is there a much meat on the bone at those prices? Honestly most Mahomes have hit the point where I don’t think there is a lot of ROI over the next 5 years unless he wins a SB and keeps throwing up video game regular season numbers.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by burke23

Absolutely- but is there a much meat on the bone at those prices? Honestly most Mahomes have hit the point where I don’t think there is a lot of ROI over the next 5 years unless he wins a SB and keeps throwing up video game regular season numbers.

I was thinking about this... I'll give you two names:
LeBron
Brady.

Hands down, the two biggest athletes in big 3 sports over the last generation (20 years or so).

Once these guys established themselves, they were at all times the most expensive players to collect (sans maybe MJ, Peyton Manning at some point).

Yet, if at any time over that period you were paying the market rate for their top cards, you're investment has paid off exceptionally.

Think about buying a Brady Contenders in 2003. Then in 2007. Then 2012. Then 2018. Every investment would have been a great one.

Same goes for the Lebron Exquisite. A decent copy was about a $3,000 card in 2003, which was unheard of at the time. Probably in the low 5 figures in 2012. Would have cost you $100k in 2018. Now you are probably looking in the neighborhood of $3-400K.

So if you believe that Mahomes is going to be the next mainstream, cultural crossover talent, then buying up any of his top tier, key cards now will be a steal 10 years down the road.

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I was thinking about this... I'll give you two names:
LeBron
Brady.

Hands down, the two biggest athletes in big 3 sports over the last generation (20 years or so).

Once these guys established themselves, they were at all times the most expensive players to collect (sans maybe MJ, Peyton Manning at some point).

Yet, if at any time over that period you were paying the market rate for their top cards, you're investment has paid off exceptionally.

Think about buying a Brady Contenders in 2003. Then in 2007. Then 2012. Then 2018. Every investment would have been a great one.

Same goes for the Lebron Exquisite. A decent copy was about a $3,000 card in 2003, which was unheard of at the time. Probably in the low 5 figures in 2012. Would have cost you $100k in 2018. Now you are probably looking in the neighborhood of $3-400K.

So if you believe that Mahomes is going to be the next mainstream, cultural crossover talent, then buying up any of his top tier, key cards now will be a steal 10 years down the road.

Exactly how I think about it. I understand basketball has a bigger international presence, but when you compare Luka Prizm(or any other) rookies to Mahomes and take into account the population reports I feel like there is plenty of room for Mahomes to keep going higher.


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[gottagitdemjs]

A little background on that TD to Robinson where Mahomes went in motion...AKA..."Ferrari Right"

“The last three weeks Pat’s been messing around with it,” Chiefs head coach Andy Reid said after the game. “So I told him, I said, ‘We’re going to put it in,’ and he looked at me like I was crazy. But he had been doing it and it looked good, so, if I said, ‘If it looks good, let’s try it,’ and so we tried it. He goes down there during special teams and he was messing around with a couple things, so we put it in — and it worked.”

[Bowtoxin]

Did you see this tweet?

Number of career interceptions when they threw TD pass #100

John Elway: 95
Eli Manning: 75
Peyton Manning: 69
Jameis Winston: 68
Brett Favre: 65
Drew Brees: 63
Joe Montana: 54
Tom Brady: 53
Dan Marino: 44
Philip Rivers: 43
Aaron Rodgers: 34

Patrick Mahomes: 19

https://twitter.com/ryan_landreth/st...009294848?s=20

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'd disagree.

There are cards of Brady out there that are worth collecting.

Brady is the only other football player I look at. I'd love to add a nice Pats uni RC, but very hard to find one that hasn't been molested.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by burke23

Absolutely- but is there a much meat on the bone at those prices? Honestly most Mahomes have hit the point where I don’t think there is a lot of ROI over the next 5 years unless he wins a SB and keeps throwing up video game regular season numbers.

Originally Posted by tjforce

I was thinking about this... I'll give you two names:
LeBron
Brady.

Hands down, the two biggest athletes in big 3 sports over the last generation (20 years or so).

Once these guys established themselves, they were at all times the most expensive players to collect (sans maybe MJ, Peyton Manning at some point).

Yet, if at any time over that period you were paying the market rate for their top cards, you're investment has paid off exceptionally.

Think about buying a Brady Contenders in 2003. Then in 2007. Then 2012. Then 2018. Every investment would have been a great one.

Same goes for the Lebron Exquisite. A decent copy was about a $3,000 card in 2003, which was unheard of at the time. Probably in the low 5 figures in 2012. Would have cost you $100k in 2018. Now you are probably looking in the neighborhood of $3-400K.

So if you believe that Mahomes is going to be the next mainstream, cultural crossover talent, then buying up any of his top tier, key cards now will be a steal 10 years down the road.

Look at the gross profit instead of ROI (% percentage appreciation). For example, Lebron's 2003 TC Gold Refractor was $500 in 2003 and it was $40K in 2019, which is 39.5K profit in 16 years (80X returns). I purchased mine for $40K in May 2019 and its current value is 320K, which is 280K profit in 1 year but only 7X returns. Same with Jordan 1997 PMG Red. I purchased mine for 60K in March this year and its current value is 230K, which is 170K profit in 6 months but only ~4X returns. I started collecting sports cards only in 2018 but those two cards alone have given me a gross profit of 500K in one year but I am not selling them because I see more upside in both. Sometimes, it is better to look at gross profit than ROI especially on rare and sought after cards. Mahomes NT RPA might look expensive at 50-60K but it has the potential to be 250-500K card in the future, which is 200-400K profit from current price level.

[dave2424]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Look at the gross profit instead of ROI (% percentage appreciation). For example, Lebron's 2003 TC Gold Refractor was $500 in 2003 and it was $40K in 2019, which is 39.5K profit in 16 years (80X returns). I purchased mine for $40K in May 2019 and its current value is 320K, which is 280K profit in 1 year but only 7X returns. Same with Jordan 1997 PMG Red. I purchased mine for 60K in March this year and its current value is 230K, which is 170K profit in 6 months but only ~4X returns. I started collecting sports cards only in 2018 but those two cards alone have given me a gross profit of 500K in one year but I am not selling them because I see more upside in both. Sometimes, it is better to look at gross profit than ROI especially on rare and sought after cards. Mahomes NT RPA might look expensive at 50-60K but it has the potential to be 250-500K card in the future, which is 200-400K profit from current price level.

Good points, I still find it crazy that there is a market out there that will and can pay that much for a card. 200-500k is so far removed from where I could play from. Heck anything over 15 and you can count me out. Don't get me wrong I am thankful there are folks like that with expendible income to be able to take stuff off our hands when the time is right.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by dave2424

Good points, I still find it crazy that there is a market out there that will and can pay that much for a card. 200-500k is so far removed from where I could play from. Heck anything over 15 and you can count me out. Don't get me wrong I am thankful there are folks like that with expendible income to be able to take stuff off our hands when the time is right.

I think the market is just scratching the surface of what’s possible.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by dave2424

Good points, I still find it crazy that there is a market out there that will and can pay that much for a card. 200-500k is so far removed from where I could play from. Heck anything over 15 and you can count me out. Don't get me wrong I am thankful there are folks like that with expendible income to be able to take stuff off our hands when the time is right.

When I purchased Lebron TC Gold Refractor, I was also thinking how much more upside is left on it. I acquired it as an alternate investment with hopes it will double in 5 years but the market dynamics has changed so much in the past two years due to the following reasons imo-

-Alternate investment
-Reinvesting profits from speculative bets into safe bets
-Fractional shares market

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by burke23

Absolutely- but is there a much meat on the bone at those prices? Honestly most Mahomes have hit the point where I don’t think there is a lot of ROI over the next 5 years unless he wins a SB and keeps throwing up video game regular season numbers.

Originally Posted by tjforce

I was thinking about this... I'll give you two names:
LeBron
Brady.

Hands down, the two biggest athletes in big 3 sports over the last generation (20 years or so).

Once these guys established themselves, they were at all times the most expensive players to collect (sans maybe MJ, Peyton Manning at some point).

Yet, if at any time over that period you were paying the market rate for their top cards, you're investment has paid off exceptionally.

Think about buying a Brady Contenders in 2003. Then in 2007. Then 2012. Then 2018. Every investment would have been a great one.

Same goes for the Lebron Exquisite. A decent copy was about a $3,000 card in 2003, which was unheard of at the time. Probably in the low 5 figures in 2012. Would have cost you $100k in 2018. Now you are probably looking in the neighborhood of $3-400K.

So if you believe that Mahomes is going to be the next mainstream, cultural crossover talent, then buying up any of his top tier, key cards now will be a steal 10 years down the road.

I think those holding Mahomes have to - HAVE TO - consider what burke23 is saying. I've mentioned this in numerous threads (RW3, recent Brady thread, Rodgers', Mahomes threads) that expecting today's accomplishments to carry on is dicey; especially in football. There's always a time to sell and get out. Maybe today's that day, maybe it isn't. Maybe the Chiefs keep rolling and win the SB and he wins MVP, but maybe that doesn't happen. Look how quickly things just changed for RW3 when so many were ready to anoint him Top 10 all-time. Obviously, the Chiefs are better than the Seahawks and Mahomes is better than RW3, but seeing those Prizm prices and holding and trying to squeeze more juice out of them may not pan out. The NFL playoffs are one-and-done scenarios. The best team all year can and does get upset in the playoffs quite often; that is not the same in basketball (Lebron). I think we're reaching Trout territory soon on Mahomes. Not reassessing his greatness as a player like baseball people are with Trout, but how much more his cards can be expected to rise. His prices have Brady-type accomplishments already baked into them - that means 2 more MVP's and 5 more SB's. That's just really hard to see considering all of the moving parts on an NFL roster. Plus, at the end of the day, football is a US-only sport.

This isn't a questioning of Mahomes' talent and most likely Top 10 all-time status ALREADY. But this is the "Mahomes prices" thread so people should think about all of the angles when assessing his current prices.

[Earlsnake07]

Originally Posted by Bowtoxin

Did you see this tweet?

Number of career interceptions when they threw TD pass #100

John Elway: 95
Eli Manning: 75
Peyton Manning: 69
Jameis Winston: 68
Brett Favre: 65
Drew Brees: 63
Joe Montana: 54
Tom Brady: 53
Dan Marino: 44
Philip Rivers: 43
Aaron Rodgers: 34

Patrick Mahomes: 19

https://twitter.com/ryan_landreth/st...009294848?s=20

This is a stat that I think gets overlooked by a lot of people.....not only is Mahomes a "gunslinger", but he is also a ball protector.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I think those holding Mahomes have to - HAVE TO - consider what burke23 is saying. I've mentioned this in numerous threads (RW3, recent Brady thread, Rodgers', Mahomes threads) that expecting today's accomplishments to carry on is dicey; especially in football. There's always a time to sell and get out. Maybe today's that day, maybe it isn't. Maybe the Chiefs keep rolling and win the SB and he wins MVP, but maybe that doesn't happen. Look how quickly things just changed for RW3 when so many were ready to anoint him Top 10 all-time. Obviously, the Chiefs are better than the Seahawks and Mahomes is better than RW3, but seeing those Prizm prices and holding and trying to squeeze more juice out of them may not pan out. The NFL playoffs are one-and-done scenarios. The best team all year can and does get upset in the playoffs quite often; that is not the same in basketball (Lebron). I think we're reaching Trout territory soon on Mahomes. Not reassessing his greatness as a player like baseball people are with Trout, but how much more his cards can be expected to rise. His prices have Brady-type accomplishments already baked into them - that means 2 more MVP's and 5 more SB's. That's just really hard to see considering all of the moving parts on an NFL roster. Plus, at the end of the day, football is a US-only sport.

This isn't a questioning of Mahomes' talent and most likely Top 10 all-time status ALREADY. But this is the "Mahomes prices" thread so people should think about all of the angles when assessing his current prices.

This has been said every year about Trout, and yet every offseason his stuff goes up.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I think those holding Mahomes have to - HAVE TO - consider what burke23 is saying. I've mentioned this in numerous threads (RW3, recent Brady thread, Rodgers', Mahomes threads) that expecting today's accomplishments to carry on is dicey; especially in football. There's always a time to sell and get out. Maybe today's that day, maybe it isn't. Maybe the Chiefs keep rolling and win the SB and he wins MVP, but maybe that doesn't happen. Look how quickly things just changed for RW3 when so many were ready to anoint him Top 10 all-time. Obviously, the Chiefs are better than the Seahawks and Mahomes is better than RW3, but seeing those Prizm prices and holding and trying to squeeze more juice out of them may not pan out. The NFL playoffs are one-and-done scenarios. The best team all year can and does get upset in the playoffs quite often; that is not the same in basketball (Lebron). I think we're reaching Trout territory soon on Mahomes. Not reassessing his greatness as a player like baseball people are with Trout, but how much more his cards can be expected to rise. His prices have Brady-type accomplishments already baked into them - that means 2 more MVP's and 5 more SB's. That's just really hard to see considering all of the moving parts on an NFL roster. Plus, at the end of the day, football is a US-only sport.

This isn't a questioning of Mahomes' talent and most likely Top 10 all-time status ALREADY. But this is the "Mahomes prices" thread so people should think about all of the angles when assessing his current prices.

Patrick Mahomes has Peyton Manning marketability with a level of talent that is unmatched by anyone ever to play the position. Comparing him to Trout shows a complete lack of understanding of what has propelled him to his status as the hobby king.

[dave2424]

So fortunate to get these when I did, not a chance I could do that now





image by david, on Flickr

image by david, on Flickr

[BeastMode27]

I can tell you the one sure fire way for his trajectory to stop would be for me to buy back in
Otherwise, full speed ahead.