2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This is a ridiculous analogy. Sleep it off and I will not mention it tomorrow. Happens to us all at some point.

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Refute how in your example the entire population of the united states (which was used the population in use) had the option to vote. If the entire population can not vote than you are changing two variables. By concluding the results would be the same when two variables are being changed would be incorrect unless we knew that everyone under 18 would vote for biden. Otherwise what you said was false. Your population would have to be voters above 18 and your variable your testing is elected candidate. If your population is the united states of America than all of the population has to be able vote otherwise your analysis is wrong.

[GOWIFB]

I am kind of disappointed. No going off on the opposing party, no name calling, no wild accusations. I thought that was the role of the president.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Honestly, even without the stutter, I wouldn't blame him. He's probably running on fumes and I cant imagine many in his camp have gotten much sleep or rest since Tuesday. I don't know why counting these ballots seems to be taking forever, but I do hope it's wrapped up by Sunday night.

Yeah 100%. It’s a long grueling grind doing this 3-4 straight days.

[Fratboy]

Best speech from an American leader, in close to 4 years.
It's been a while now

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Refute how in your example the entire population of the united states (which was used the population in use) had the option to vote. If the entire population can not vote than you are changing two variables. By concluding the results would be the same when two variables are being changed would be incorrect unless we knew that everyone under 18 would vote for biden. Otherwise what you said was false. Your population would have to be voters above 18 and your variable your testing is elected candidate. If your population is the united states of America than all of the population has to be able vote otherwise your analysis is wrong.

This is a long-winded way of saying my account of the facts is indeed factual.

Seriously, why are you, of all people, arguing against an admittedly factual statement? Really?

Argue something else.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This is a long-winded way of saying my account of the facts is indeed factual.

Seriously, why are you, of all people, arguing against an admittedly factual statement? Really?

Argue something else.

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Cause false analyses is what Trumps good at which is why he's dangerous. I don't watch hannity cause I don't want manipulated data that usually can't be fact checked.

I don't expect you to be able to defend your statement cause it's a bad analysis. Just because something is a fact doesn't mean it isn't manipulated which is what you did my friend. And manipulated data is almost as good as nothing.

Again, if I only choose the population of Texas, I can say Trump won. That IS a fact. It's also a terrible analysis because we know Texas is only PART of the population which determines the election.

You did the opposite. You included part of the population which CANT change the results but assume that portion into your interpretation as the results.

[yanksfan1]

If Biden is declared the winner tomorrow, he will give his victory speech on the 48th anniversary of the day he was first elected to the US Senate as a 29 year old

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

If Biden is declared the winner tomorrow, he will give his victory speech on the 48th anniversary of the day he was first elected to the US Senate as a 29 year old

That's right. America wants a change. Kinda.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Wtf does this even mean?

When you are called JoanP, you are being accused of being a shill identity for a member who used to post here. She was one of the very few Biden-backers here that did something to cause her privileges to be revoked. I missed whatever it was.

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Congrats. Enjoy the next 4 years. I mean that sincerely.

Thanks, Ray.
Obviously, I could really hammer some of those "Trump in a landslide" fellows here relentlessly, but I've purposely not done that (full-disclosure, I've also been working non-stop from Tuesday morning 'til a few hours ago) and the reason is because winning ungraciously is exactly what Trump does.

I never expected Trump to do what I wanted. My beef with him was never that. He was from the other side and he had to serve his constituency first (well, second, after serving himself, he is Trump). The problem was, Donald had to put a stick in our eye every single time he made a play when it was just so g.d. unnecessary. President Trump could've done everything single thing he did without that added bit of "Trump flair", and I do think he might be in a better place tonight.

So Onions, Snoobs, the rest of you who know who you are, plus those 10 or so banished-from-here members, all you guys who droned on and on about Trump winning somewhere around 400 electoral votes, you're off the hook where I'm concerned. I got nothing left for you. I left it on the field where it turns out it counted.

But as for Trump himself: nah, brah. Your continuing shameful behavior will continue to be called by its name until the day they've dragged you out the door, having already checked your suitcases to remove whatever you were trying to steal from the White House on the way out.

SDNY lickin' their chops right about now, I'm thinking...

[duwal]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I wish I could agree. Truly.

While this is far less embarrassing, it is still embarrassing.

Why is it 'still embarrassing'? What was embarrassing about Biden's speech?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Cause false analyses is what Trumps good at which is why he's dangerous. I don't watch hannity cause I don't want manipulated data that usually can't be fact checked.



I don't expect you to be able to defend your statement cause it's a bad analysis. Just because something is a fact doesn't mean it isn't manipulated which is what you did my friend. And manipulated data is almost as good as nothing.



Again, if I only choose the population of Texas, I can say Trump won. That IS a fact. It's also a terrible analysis because we know Texas is only PART of the population which determines the election.



You did the opposite. You included part of the population which CANT change the results but assume that portion into your interpretation as the results.

No. If you choose Texas, you cannot say Trump won the election. That would not be factual. You could say he won Texas, but not that he won the election.

I stated a fact. You chose to attack that fact. You did not make a case as to that fact being incorrect.

But whatevs. You do you.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No. If you choose Texas, you cannot say Trump won the election. That would not be factual. You could say he won Texas, but not that he won the election.

I stated a fact. You chose to attack that fact. You did not make a case as to that fact being incorrect.

But whatevs. You do you.

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NO you said he only got 1/4th US population's votes. That's false because not the entire population you are observing can vote. If I can not vote you can not get my vote. It makes no sense. In that case why can't I just make the case that Biden got like .00000001% of the votes (I don't actually know the entire population of the world in comparison to who voted for Biden but you get the point). It makes ZERO sense to include the people of Cambodia because they CANT vote in the US election. So why are you including the below 18 group?

Maybe I should include the Russian population though

The point is we can manipulate data however we want but your interpretation of it is not correct. I'd argue this is more dangerous than saying something completely inaccurate.

[Chris Lyle]

This isnt meant to be sour grapes, but for those posting that just because of Bidens speech tonight while it was good in my opinion, that he's going to bring America together and he is going to bring change that America voted for I hope you enjoy the kind of change that he supports openly. His actions tell me he is not for all American's and will not suddenly bring us all together. But it's all good because he makes a speech with good tones.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Fratboy

Let's unify this Nation!
Americans working together

Biden will bring us together??

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

That's right. America wants a change. Kinda.

I remember someone else talking about Americans wanting change.. Seems like an unoriginal thought from Biden

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

This isnt meant to be sour grapes, but for those posting that just because of Bidens speech tonight while it was good in my opinion, that he's going to bring America together and he is going to bring change that America voted for I hope you enjoy the kind of change that he supports openly. His actions tell me he is not for all American's and will not suddenly bring us all together. But it's all good because he makes a speech with good tones.

It's nice not to hear someone up there spewing lies and telling everyone how great he is every 5 seconds. I have never been more ashamed of a president than I was of Trump. He was a horrible role model no matter how you look at it.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

It's nice not to hear someone up there spewing lies and telling everyone how great he is every 5 seconds. I have never been more ashamed of a president than I was of Trump. He was a horrible role model no matter how you look at it.

Im sorry Biden is not someone I want my kids to have for a role model regardless of his nice tones, etc

[discostu]

Final popular vote difference...Biden by 7 million?

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Im sorry Biden is not someone I want my kids to have for a role model regardless of his nice tones, etc

In all fairness do you want Trump to be a role model for your kids?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by mike1498

In all fairness do you want Trump to be a role model for your kids?

Never once said that but I feel like people call him an embarrassment just because they dont like him not based on his work as President

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Im sorry Biden is not someone I want my kids to have for a role model regardless of his nice tones, etc

That's your prerogative. Personally I'm not a fan of being a laughingstock of the entire globe. I can promise you Biden won't be getting into arguments on Twitter with teenagers that he feels insulted him.

[zonacats8]

So all the Trump haters are obviously afraid of what he might do in his last couple months as President if he knows he has limited time and no repercussions.

But it just hit me, if he has any interest in actually running again in 2024, then he can't do anything wild in those last few months or it would really come back to bite him in 2024. I've seen people question if he'll give out terrible pardons, especially to family members, that he might just decide he's done with it and move to Mar a Lago with a week or two left, and many other things being thrown out there.

But I'd think any of those would really hurt him in a re-election, it would write the attacking ads for themselves.

However I also don't think Trump is someone to think about how his actions today will affect something 4 years from now, so it likely would't stop him from doing anything he wants at this point lol.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Never once said that but I feel like people call him an embarrassment just because they dont like him not based on his work as President

I mean that's a true assessment but if I don't like someone I probably wouldn't view them as a role model. I don't understand the point you're making.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Never once said that but I feel like people call him an embarrassment just because they dont like him not based on his work as President

Oh it's absolutely both.

His work on anything regarding immigration and Covid sure as hell embarrass me as an American.

His work on the global stage in his speeches at the UN or being the only civilized country to not be part of the Paris Accords embarrass me as well.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

That's your prerogative. Personally I'm not a fan of being a laughingstock of the entire globe. I can promise you Biden won't be getting into arguments on Twitter with teenagers that he feels insulted him.

Ive openly said that there have been plenty of times I wish Trump would be quiet, but to say we were a laughingstock I think that may be a little much. So while Biden pushes for changes that i can promise you wont be good for all American's at least he wont be on Twitter arguing and he will make nice calm speeches so i hope you are good with the tradeoff