2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[fadster]

Originally Posted by pac213up

It will be interesting to see how fast Republicans and Foxnews move away from Trump.

Overall I think both sides have to be somewhat happy with the results. Republicans avoided the blue wave and had solid results at the State levels and Dems pick up the White House & continue to expand the map into GA, NC, AR, & TX. Also a chance at the Senate in 2 years with GOP defending 20+ seats.

I'm wondering the same. If, potential legal cases aside, Trump sets up a news network then Fox will have a big rival and I'd expect them to cut him adrift sooner rather than later. For Trump this is a good way to lose, he gets to push the "they stole it from me" narrative to get viewers for his new channel and can even use the threat of court cases to negotiate some immunity. There will be bluster to save face for the next couple of months but behind the scenes I suspect it'll be positioning for the future.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Thank God your opinion doesn't mean Jack squat.
That's not how it works.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

I don't understand your issue with this statement or your hostility about it.

Fortunately, I don't need to.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

[discostu]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Here is what I want to see.

Trump offering to concede the election on the premise that both sides will agree to fix our voting process. How is it possible that I can take a trip to China and make a purchase that immediately shows up in my bank account in the US, but when I vote it takes weeks to show up and be accounted for. Both sides should be able to agree on fixing that.

Seriously, WTF?

Trump has no leverage.

Democracy has the leverage.

Whether or not people understand projections, voting and vote counting, they can help themselves.

[yanksfan1]

NBC News calls the AZ Senate race for Mark Kelly, defeating incumbent Senator Martha McSally. McSally also lost in 2018 to Kyrsten Sinema, before being appointed to take the seat held by John McCain. Have to say that's quite a feat, losing both of your states senate seats in a span of 2 years.

[ucLAkers]

Bidens lead in Nevada just doubled...

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by premium1981

The media drives the worst problem. But the actual worst problem is the hatred each side has towards each other. No one sees the person on the other side anymore. They only see a color (red/blue), and if it isn't the same as theirs they immediately become filled with hate. That is what is wrong with our country. The "polls" clearly show that when you compare the percentage of people who think they are better off now than they were 4 years ago vs how the voting turned out. It is clear that Biden will become president soley based on half of the countries hate towards Trump. Not half of the countries population believing in Biden. When hate drives actions you have problems. Our country has some very deep problems that go much further than Trump/Biden.

its so true, i notice it with myself too, i don't like it, but i also can't shut it off in my brain now.

i remember being in college, not that long ago, graduate in 2012. i couldn't give 2 $hits about politics for the most part. Friends never brought it up, almost no one did really. i remember walking on campus one day and some girl was standing on the corner with a sign of Obama with a hitler stache and tried talking to me about it. I told her "i dont like the guy, but sorry not interested. I had an opinion but not a strong one in the least, i genuinely didn't care, unless someone was SUUUUPER liberal i didnt know the difference, i never asked are you an Obama guy? Do you miss Bush? i was more interested in asking friends about what bar we were going to that night, or trying to wheel women, that and sports was literally all i cared about.

I started to notice things after college when i got into the real world, and working and seeing how things actually worked, it's like i lost the ignorance, the ignorance was bliss. Again i never noticed it with friends either, until one of our friends took a job as a professor, then eventually for a news channel out of state, and i noticed, and other friends noticed how liberal he became. Now we are not these hard nosed rightys for the most part, but we also speak our minds on things, and we would notice he would kinda get a little offended if something was totally PC, now im not saying dropping N bombs or anything that extreme, but little things. Me being the jokester i am would then purposely go out of my way to kinda throw stuff out that i know would get him riled up, never actually mean spirited, i love the guy and he'd give you the shirt off his back. But i noticed i started looking at friends differently who i knew voted democrat and though there was no real animosity, it felt like the friendships just weren't the same, i learned i preferred like minded people. I've maintained all the friendships still, but it has a different feel, that ignorance made things so much better.

sorry for the rant, just giving an example of how things have divided, or atleast from my vantage point.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

NBC News calls the AZ Senate race for Mark Kelly, defeating incumbent Senator Martha McSally. McSally also lost in 2018 to Kyrsten Sinema, before being appointed to take the seat held by John McCain. Have to say that's quite a feat, losing both of your states senate seats in a span of 2 years.

That's pretty funny. I wonder if that's ever been done before.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

[CC_123]

The best thing to happen now would be Biden winning PA, GA, AZ, and NV. It would make things less complicated and make whatever happens with court cases in PA irrelevant. Trump would likely concede much quicker if Biden won 306-232

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by discostu

Seriously, WTF?

Trump has no leverage.

Democracy has the leverage.

Whether or not people understand projections, voting and vote counting, they can help themselves.

It has nothing to do with leverage. Our countries voting system is broken. There shouldn't be questions arising, legitimate or not. We live in a modern world and we are using an outdated process to pick the most important position in our country. How can anyone not want to see that fixed? I don't understand the logic.

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yeah sort of.

Manafort was Trump's campaign manager and he was convicted of Conspiracy to defraud the United States government and witness tampering. That was kind of a big deal, imo.

Cohen I think was convicted of campaign finance violations. Still a big deal but not as big as Manafort.

Stone was convicted of things like obstructing justice and lying to feds. Also not as big of a deal as Manafort.


Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

This is all true but as far as I know there was no convictions for Russian Collusion for any member of the Trump campaign during the election. They all got caught for doing other scummy things or just flat out lying like idiots or setup like in Flynn's case but hey, Clinton got away with it so maybe they thought they could too.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Your explanation says it does work one way, while you state that it doesn't. I have no problem giving credit where it is due. But do you think the recovery under Obama had more to do with his policies or more to do with the housing market crash during Bush? As I stated in another post, my 7 year old could have had a successful recovery after that crash. So in essence, it wasn't Obama's. Unless you admit that the current pre-COVID market was Trumps. You can't have it both ways, even if you think you are justifying it in your head.

Your statements are a bit confusing, but yeah, I do believe Obama's policies created the recovery. If he didn't do anything, it wouldn't have happened.

Your statement about your 7 year old is purely a hindsight statement, based on nothing and you're discounting the actual actions that made it happen. But yes, it was Obama's economy just like the pre-covid economy was Trump's that was built off of Obama's. I'm not sure why that's hard to put together.

You are trying to argue something that's not an argument because nothing is incorrect.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

You first....

Great! I'm excited to move on with my life. I'm excited to not have to listen to the left complain about Trump anymore. I am excited to have an end in site to covid so my life can get back to normal once Biden's plan is implemented. Business has already ramped up significantly for me here in Nebraska so that is a good sign. I am near precovid levels and getting busier every day. I will admit I have some fear that Biden will raise taxes by eliminating Bush/Trump tax cuts. This may depend on final house and senate races as well. That will directly effect my business and bottom line. Other than that my outlook is pretty positive.

Your turn


Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

[jewcer2k5]

Fox News during the day is reasonable.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by premium1981

It has nothing to do with leverage. Our countries voting system is broken. There shouldn't be questions arising, legitimate or not. We live in a modern world and we are using an outdated process to pick the most important position in our country. How can anyone not want to see that fixed? I don't understand the logic.

So you think the Federal government should step into national voting...which the Constitution leaves as a state right?

Voting is a state issue. Trump (and the federal government) has no leverage without a Constitutional Amendment.

Good luck with that.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Fox News during the day is reasonable.

Because it's actually more geared toward news, and not just opinion fluff pieces. CNN is the exact same.

Media gets terrible when they try to do gotchas/hot takes/clickbait garbage.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

This is all true but as far as I know there was no convictions for Russian Collusion for any member of the Trump campaign during the election. They all got caught for doing other scummy things or just flat out lying like idiots or setup like in Flynn's case but hey, Clinton got away with it so maybe they thought they could too.

I'm not sure collusion even has a legal definition. But yeah, collusion wasn't proven.

The Mueller investigation was hardly fruitless though. It just didn't nail Trump on anything.

I'm thinking that thorough of an investigation into almost any campaign could dig up something though, so idk really what any of it says in the long run.


Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Great! I'm excited to move on with my life. I'm excited to not have to listen to the left complain about Trump anymore. I am excited to have an end in site to covid so my life can get back to normal once Biden's plan is implemented. Business has already ramped up significantly for me here in Nebraska so that is a good sign. I am near precovid levels and getting busier every day. I will admit I have some fear that Biden will raise taxes by eliminating Bush/Trump tax cuts. This may depend on final house and senate races as well. That will directly effect my business and bottom line. Other than that my outlook is pretty positive.

Your turn


Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Excellent!

I feel very much this way as well.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I'm not sure collusion even has a legal definition. But yeah, collusion wasn't proven.

The Mueller investigation was hardly fruitless though. It just didn't nail Trump on anything.

I'm thinking that thorough of an investigation into almost any campaign could dig up something though, so idk really what any of it says in the long run.


Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Flynn, that was the guy rachel, not stone. Flynn was the one they did super dirty and people should go to jail for that one.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Because it's actually more geared toward news, and not just opinion fluff pieces. CNN is the exact same.



Media gets terrible when they try to do gotchas/hot takes/clickbait garbage.

CNN pretty much leaves that "Breaking News" caption up permanently these days. So annoying, lol.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

[Fratboy]

Did anyone else see Flynn pledge allegiance to Q-Annon?
Former National Security Advisor and U.S General...
Something must be off with that guy

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

Flynn, that was the guy rachel, not stone. Flynn was the one they did super dirty and people should go to jail for that one.

Ahhh, I had forgotten about that guy. Crazy times.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

It's unfortunate that this is a narrative that many believe.

And even more unfortunate that many don't believe this.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Your statements are a bit confusing, but yeah, I do believe Obama's policies created the recovery. If he didn't do anything, it wouldn't have happened.

Your statement about your 7 year old is purely a hindsight statement, based on nothing and you're discounting the actual actions that made it happen. But yes, it was Obama's economy just like the pre-covid economy was Trump's that was built off of Obama's. I'm not sure why that's hard to put together.

You are trying to argue something that's not an argument because nothing is incorrect.

If anyone did anything a recovery was happening. That is my point. You are saying all 8 years of Obama was Obama's. And all 4 years of Trump was Obama's. That is illogical. So again, with that logic, after COVID when things improve, the economy recovery will all be Trumps. Not Biden's. Right?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I don't understand your issue with this statement or your hostility about it.

Fortunately, I don't need to.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

You must think you're pretty special to see hostility in what I typed.
Not hostile at all.
Fact is, a mandate is not the same as a law.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by premium1981

If anyone did anything a recovery was happening. That is my point. You are saying all 8 years of Obama was Obama's. And all 4 years of Trump was Obama's. That is illogical. So again, with that logic, after COVID when things improve, the economy recovery will all be Trumps. Not Biden's. Right?

How bad is the economy right now?

I mean, I'm not really a part of it anymore. I can't really see it from here.

I'm sure some people are hurting. But that's always true. Are a ton more hurting? Do we need another stimulus?

Unemployment isn't horrible right now, is it? I'm sure it's worse than it was a year ago, but is it worse than in 2008?

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk