2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Boo

Easier for them to connect and work together to cause problems. Before it was a few here or there, now you can get a mob in half an hour.

Excellent point.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

It’s easy to blame the social media generation but a large part of the accountability stems from parents not holding their kids accountable. You can’t place full blame on the social media generation, without placing some blame on the parents of this generation

I don't disagree. I think the two go hand-in-hand.

[CoolG]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

You can’t just take out a whole state so it fits your narrative, the people are there. Their vote matters just as much as anyone else’s.

Obviously! I was just making a point. In the other 49 states it would be a dead heat of who won the popular vote if going state by state.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

You can’t just take out a whole state so it fits your narrative, the people are there. Their vote matters just as much as anyone else’s.

I think the point there is that going to pure popular vote would just result in California picking the President. Democratic of course. That's really the whole point of the EC to begin with - to avoid that scenario.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by discostu

Here we are, still in worst case scenario, the voting is simply too close and the results will further divide.

No matter who wins...we're in a bad spot.

Some of this would have been avoided if the ballots would be counted efficiently. Hennepin County (Minneapolis) had 98% reported within minutes of poll closures. No reason Detroit, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia can't do it too. Even if there is zero malfeasance going on, the optics look terrible for trust in the system. And, this would be the case regardless of Trump's rhetoric.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I get that, but I'm being serious. Half the stuff that any of us posts is hyperbolic in nature because we're anonymous. Like others have said, if we could observe each other in our daily non-message board lives, we would see a lot of common ground.

Oh absolutely - I would certainly bet that almost all of us would enjoy each other's company in real life with some beers.

But, and this is where it gets way over my head as far as knowledge, why do people feel the need to spout off online but wouldn't dare say the same thing face to face? The need for the feeling of power? Something else? Someone with a base in evolutionary biology probably can explain it but that's the part of humans I can never understand.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

A small batch of votes (about 3,000) just reported in Georgia, broke Trump's way. We're at the point now where if the SOS in GA is telling the truth, Trump wins.

Stands Trump +18,000 votes and we're told less than 22,000 votes left to count.

Not sure why the local paper would be correct and the SOS would be wrong.

[xbignick]

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Did social media cause it, or merely expose it?

There have always been plenty of nutjobs out there. Could it just be easier to see them now?

Could a perceived increase in polarization be due to people actually communicating with each other more than before?

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They are communicating with each other in an echo chamber. That's the problem.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Except for the TCJA, which people like to latch onto as a good thing. Except the excessive spending, which is about as anti-GOP as it gets... but is glossed over. People like him because they think of him as a genius businessman and someone who drains the swamp, and someone who thrashes not-their-party at the expense of creating the most divided time since the Civil War.

But yeah, par for the course I guess.

I don't understand this take. All I have heard from the left is how divisive and racist Trump is, yet he has pulled more minority vote than ever.

The left can't by the fact they lost to Donald Trump, and they have lost their minds over it.

Looking at the popular vote, we are no more divided than we were 4 years ago. Really incredible considering what has been hammered into our heads.

[jlzinck]

I hope they live stream Hunter Biden's victory party. As the kids say, it will be lit.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mattglet

There's certainly some truth to this. But I continue to go back to the "not afraid of getting punched in the mouth" rebuttal. There are plenty of people who talk a whole lot of sh!t on social media who wouldn't say those things in person because they'd get popped. The fear of consequence is the missing link.

Absolutely.

I guess maybe it's many different factors converging rather than one thing we can pinpoint. Anonymity, increased interaction, lack of accountability, parental deficiencies...all play a role.

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[mattglet]

Originally Posted by xbignick

ruh roh... this is not going to be good, given the cast of characters.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

I’m very curious as to how many Biden supporters consider him a strong candidate. I see a lot of “because he’s not Trump”, but very minimal actual enthusiasm for Biden himself.

I don't think one person on these boards said biden was a strong candidate.


Personally, I think if he's elected, his presidency will be a massive train wreck, but at least the the senate should keep him in check.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by xbignick

Early report says the Trump campaign is filing a lawsuit alleging 10,000 votes were counted by people who lived out of state.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Some of this would have been avoided if the ballots would be counted efficiently. Hennepin County (Minneapolis) had 98% reported within minutes of poll closures. No reason Detroit, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia can't do it too. Even if there is zero malfeasance going on, the optics look terrible for trust in the system. And, this would be the case regardless of Trump's rhetoric.

That’s because Minnesota allows early counting for mail in votes, while the other cities you mentioned could not due to their state laws

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Not sure why the local paper would be correct and the SOS would be wrong.

I certainly weigh the SOS interview greater than the AJC story. When you look at the maps available, the reason the AJC believes the votes are there could be as simple as them seeing what I see; percentages not at 99+ and doing the quick math.

But states like NC has proven that to be folly; a lot of their counties don't show 100% reporting either and yet, they're done.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by mattglet

ruh roh... this is not going to be good, given the cast of characters.

He's getting out 30 minutes before they're due to report the remaining vote.

Trump playing offense.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I don't think one person on these boards said biden was a strong candidate.





Personally, I think if he's elected, his presidency will be a massive train wreck, but at least the the senate should keep him in check.

This ^^^

Hopefully Kamala stays VP and we get to keep the ham sandwich all four years.

Edit to add: How sad is that? Here I am, actually hoping for a do-nothing president to live long enough to not mess up too badly for four years!

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I think the point there is that going to pure popular vote would just result in California picking the President. Democratic of course. That's really the whole point of the EC to begin with - to avoid that scenario.

I think it’s hard to assume that because the way you campaign would be extremely different if it was purely popular vote. In the EC system, a Republican knows not to waste time in California, but in a popular vote scenario, it’s valuable to campaign in California.

Would a democrat still win the popular vote? Probably, but it would be significantly closer than the current gap due to different campaigning strategies

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

He's getting out 30 minutes before they're due to report the remaining vote.

Trump playing offense.

Oh for sure. I just meant the fact that I hope no one wanted a resolution this month.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I don't think one person on these boards said biden was a strong candidate.


Personally, I think if he's elected, his presidency will be a massive train wreck, but at least the the senate should keep him in check.

That’s what I thought. He’s a walking corpse at this point.

[fadster]

Georgia SOS has now said:

"In the range of 50,000 left." - Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on how many ballots are left to count. Just now (8:15am) to @WSBSlade on @wsbradio

The question now being asked is it 50k total or 50k to count plus 25k to report, two distinct things.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

And to provide a full picture; while the Secretary of State on camera said less than 25,000 votes left (You could almost say Trump has it in the bag there), the AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution, big paper) says no no ... many more than that. Media vs. Government, I do not know who is telling the truth.

Originally Posted by fadster

Georgia SOS has now said:

"In the range of 50,000 left." - Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on how many ballots are left to count. Just now (8:15am) to @WSBSlade on @wsbradio

The question now being asked is it 50k total or 50k to count plus 25k to report, two distinct things.

How is this possible?!?!?!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by fadster

Georgia SOS has now said:

"In the range of 50,000 left." - Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on how many ballots are left to count. Just now (8:15am) to @WSBSlade on @wsbradio

The question now being asked is it 50k total or 50k to count plus 25k to report, two distinct things.

Total and absolute clown show.

I see the quote. Georgia wide open if the number was 50,000 (now 46,500 after the first batch reported this morning).