2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by mattglet

On the contrary, what did you like so much that he did?

I'm not saying I liked or disliked anything. He was par for the course for any candidate in terms of policy. Nothing he did from a policy perspective was a disaster like some people like to claim.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

You say thia as we're 2 days past the election, still too close to call.

This is a fair statement.

I was indeed assuming victory for the tuna on wheat. I personally see it as a done deal but I recognize and admit the election is yet to be officially decided or conceded.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Merrick Garland is "one of" the most qualified people on the planet and he didn't even get a vote. Yay politics.

You and I agree, which disproves a previous point made this morning. Trump, Barrett, Garland, whoever, can be qualified and successful and still not get the support of half the country.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by CC_123

The popular vote is 3.5 million in favor of Biden. The Electoral College is what makes it "too close to call", but Americans have spoken in terms of popular vote on who they would rather have in office.

If it were for the popular vote democrats would win every single year

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by CC_123

The popular vote is 3.5 million in favor of Biden. The Electoral College is what makes it "too close to call", but Americans have spoken in terms of popular vote on who they would rather have in office.

You could copy and paste this every four years and insert the name on the Democratic ticket.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

If it were for the popular vote democrats would win every single year

In theory, but I believe popular vote would make more people vote because they would feel their vote actually holds value and is equal to someone else's vote. It would be interesting to see the voter turnout if it went by PV. It will never happen, but it would be interesting to see.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'm not saying I liked or disliked anything. He was par for the course for any candidate in terms of policy. Nothing he did from a policy perspective was a disaster like some people like to claim.

Except for the TCJA, which people like to latch onto as a good thing. Except the excessive spending, which is about as anti-GOP as it gets... but is glossed over. People like him because they think of him as a genius businessman and someone who drains the swamp, and someone who thrashes not-their-party at the expense of creating the most divided time since the Civil War.

But yeah, par for the course I guess.

Lastly, if all-else is essentially equal as far as policy, but his personality remains, then that's your reason he should be voted out: to get someone who is a better person. Because the policy, as you describe it, will remain the same.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by CC_123

In theory, but I believe popular vote would make more people vote because they would feel their vote actually holds value and is equal to someone else's vote. It would be interesting to see the voter turnout if it went by PV. It will never happen, but it would be interesting to see.

Yea except it's been almost 30 years since a Republican candidate won the popular vote and the gap is getting even wider.

Edit: I think Bush won the popular vote against Kerry for his 2nd term

[fadster]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you take the Georgia Secretary of State at his word and there are only 25,000 votes left to be cast; Trump's 18,540 vote lead looks great to me.

That's the big unknown. At 25k Trump inches over the line, AJC say at least 50k remain which would just swing it to Biden and the Dems say 70k which would make them firm favourites. The first two scenarios would be so tight either way there'd be a recount.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you take the Georgia Secretary of State at his word and there are only 25,000 votes left to be cast; Trump's 18,540 vote lead looks great to me.

I read 25K to count and 65K to report. Don’t know if that means 90K left overall or just 65K or if I heard wrong

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'm not saying I liked or disliked anything. He was par for the course for any candidate in terms of policy. Nothing he did from a policy perspective was a disaster like some people like to claim.

A couple of things I'd call disasters:

Covid handling. Yuuuuge disaster

Deficit spending (pre Covid).

America Alone foreign policy

Trade war with China. (not saying pressure on China is bad, just that those tactics were not the correct way to do it).

To be fair, he had some successes as well:

USMCA I think was well done

Removal of excess govt regulations was good

Three SCOTUS appointees (though one was stolen lol) were all fantastic choices imo. I didn't like Gorsuch as much as the other two, but still...well done.


These are just off the top of my head.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you take the Georgia Secretary of State at his word and there are only 25,000 votes left to be cast; Trump's 18,540 vote lead looks great to me.

And to provide a full picture; while the Secretary of State on camera said less than 25,000 votes left (You could almost say Trump has it in the bag there), the AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution, big paper) says no no ... many more than that. Media vs. Government, I do not know who is telling the truth.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Lastly, if all-else is essentially equal as far as policy, but his personality remains, then that's your reason he should be voted out: to get someone who is a better person. Because the policy, as you describe it, will remain the same.

That's fair, we just wish people would be honest about it. The drama about "destroying the country" isn't real. Some people just don't like him, which is fine.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Yea except it's been almost 30 years since a Republican candidate won the popular vote and the gap is getting even wider.

Edit: I think Bush won the popular vote against Kerry for his 2nd term

I know it will never go to PV. But I would just be interested to see the voter turnour. It would make candidates campaign across the country instead of focusing on 3-4 states. It's all hypothetical obviously because the EC isnt going anywhere. This is just something that would be interesting to see in terms of voter turnout and how candidates would change the way they campaign

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Except for the TCJA, which people like to latch onto as a good thing. Except the excessive spending, which is about as anti-GOP as it gets... but is glossed over. People like him because they think of him as a genius businessman and someone who drains the swamp, and someone who thrashes not-their-party at the expense of creating the most divided time since the Civil War.



But yeah, par for the course I guess.



Lastly, if all-else is essentially equal as far as policy, but his personality remains, then that's your reason he should be voted out: to get someone who is a better person. Because the policy, as you describe it, will remain the same.

Well said.

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[mattglet]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

You and I agree, which disproves a previous point made this morning. Trump, Barrett, Garland, whoever, can be qualified and successful and still not get the support of half the country.

Exactly, and as long as we have a world and a system that does nothing but create tribal us-vs-them attitude, nothing will change. That is what should change.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Exactly, and as long as we have a world and a system that does nothing but create tribal us-vs-them attitude, nothing will change. That is what should change.

I think there's hope. I miss the us-against-the-world moments, even if it's something inconsequential like the Olympics. It was a fun time when we all cheered for the same thing.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Except for the TCJA, which people like to latch onto as a good thing. Except the excessive spending, which is about as anti-GOP as it gets... but is glossed over. People like him because they think of him as a genius businessman and someone who drains the swamp, and someone who thrashes not-their-party at the expense of creating the most divided time since the Civil War.

But yeah, par for the course I guess.

Lastly, if all-else is essentially equal as far as policy, but his personality remains, then that's your reason he should be voted out: to get someone who is a better person. Because the policy, as you describe it, will remain the same.

The way I see it is that people have become more and more disillusioned by the Gov that when Trump promised to "drain the swamp" people latched onto that. Funny because he just surrounded himself by swamp rats anyways.

I talked to people who voted for Trump the 1st time round and it was a lot of the same about wanting a change in scenery from the run of the mill politicians that ultimately do little to nothing for the every day American. Turns out that didn't work.

Trump is a terrible businessman. I can't remember who said it but it's so true. Trump is the business version of the Cleveland Browns, he always loses but people still support him regardless.

I don't know that Biden is a better person. They're all liars, frauds, cheaters, etc... Trump just says what he thinks without giving a flying ef

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

That's fair, we just wish people would be honest about it. The drama about "destroying the country" isn't real. Some people just don't like him, which is fine.

People can't be honest about anything because they are burned at the stake for it. If you're a Republican and you say you want to vote against Trump, people trash you saying things like "you're not really a Republican then". If you're a Democrat and you say you don't want socialism... good luck with that.

But yeah, "destroying the country" IS real. Because if Trump's policies are par for the course, but the only change is the person on camera... it seems like that's your common theme for why we are like we are?

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by mattglet

People can't be honest about anything because they are burned at the stake for it. If you're a Republican and you say you want to vote against Trump, people trash you saying things like "you're not really a Republican then". If you're a Democrat and you say you don't want socialism... good luck with that.

But yeah, "destroying the country" IS real. Because if Trump's policies are par for the course, but the only change is the person on camera... it seems like that's your common theme for why we are like we are?

Oh, I don't disagree that the country is a mess. I just don't believe that it's the fault of the person in the White House. Things really began to split under Obama, but I don't put that on him. I put it on a social media generation that doesn't have any accountability.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I think there's hope. I miss the us-against-the-world moments, even if it's something inconsequential like the Olympics. It was a fun time when we all cheered for the same thing.

I honestly like your optimism (even though I don't think it's 100% true based on some of your past statements, none of which I have off the top of my head but that's the picture I have of your beliefs - not trying to be confrontational, just being truthful) but again, nothing will change unless something changes.

Social media is the downfall of society. People just talk like they aren't afraid of being punched in the mouth, and that's terrible. I'm the biggest free speech advocate you'll find, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't live without the fear of consequence.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Oh, I don't disagree that the country is a mess. I just don't believe that it's the fault of the person in the White House. Things really began to split under Obama, but I don't put that on him. I put it on a social media generation that doesn't have any accountability.

We've proven we're on the same wavelength by posting the same thing at the same time. Cheers to that.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Oh, I don't disagree that the country is a mess. I just don't believe that it's the fault of the person in the White House. Things really began to split under Obama, but I don't put that on him. I put it on a social media generation that doesn't have any accountability.

I don't think so either.

If I blame anyone it's those 2 clowns in congress Pelosi and Mcconnell. They're the real villains here.

[Ray27Ray52]

It's no coincidence that this country started to be come more polarized when the Social Media era began.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I know it will never go to PV. But I would just be interested to see the voter turnour. It would make candidates campaign across the country instead of focusing on 3-4 states. It's all hypothetical obviously because the EC isnt going anywhere. This is just something that would be interesting to see in terms of voter turnout and how candidates would change the way they campaign

No it wouldn't. It would make them campaign in CA, NY, TX and FL. Now they campaign in states that can flip, which are a lot different than CA and NY.