2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I would hope they wouldn't but who knows.

Selfish? Hahahahahah.

I think it's insane she is trying to force restaurants to force people to give up info. but not at all surprising.

Totally selfish, it's a simple thing to do that can help protect others. How hard is it to wear a mask when asked?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Pushing for social distancing and limits on mass gatherings is not pushing for getting people outside. His opinion should matter zero. As should the new guy Trump has. Data should rule at this point.

At the end of the day, A LOT of people made mistakes. Which happens when an unknown thing comes. I think it's overall unfair to blame people's actions in March and April. However, seeing people DOUBLE DOWN is an issue. They would rather mess up again, rather than change their mind, admit they were wrong and reverse course.

I don't think you really understand what Fauci's position was. Fauci was surely more in line with what you think than you realize.

Fauci wasn't in favor of draconian lockdowns. He was in favor of common sense protocols. Those protocols involved distancing, masks, and avoiding indoor gatherings. He, himself, had visitors over to his home many times, and he sat with them outside on his patio. As an infectious disease expert, he obviously advocated for people to not confine themselves in small areas together, i.e. indoors. This is a no-brainer.

Fauci has always been in favor of data. He knows that data overwhelmingly shows that people in close contact in places with restricted airflow spread viral infections. This is not new, not genius-level. It's common knowledge. The issue was never whether these situations were bad; the issue was how to get people to practice these protocols.

The coming of winter naturally causes people to spend more time indoors. Again, common sense. We will see spikes as people go outside less. It's not rocket surgery.

Fauci is not "doubling down". Trump is doubling down on his stance that Covid is no big deal. After 230,000 deaths, Trump is the one doubling down here.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I think it's insane she is trying to force restaurants to force people to give up info. but not at all surprising.

Totally selfish, it's a simple thing to do that can help protect others. How hard is it to wear a mask when asked?

Guess we were all selfish pre 2020 then.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Guess we were all selfish pre 2020 then.

You're better than this. Come on.

Viral pandemic

Science shows wearing mask slows spread

So yea, it's selfish.

Not going to rehash anything else here.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

You're better than this. Come on.

Viral pandemic

Science shows wearing mask slows spread

So yea, it's selfish.

Not going to rehash anything else here.

Nope. Just nope.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Nope. Just nope.

Like I said, not going to rehash. I know his opinion, I know all of your takes (fun times!)

It's selfish.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Like I said, not going to rehash. I know his opinion, I know all of your takes (fun times!)

It's selfish.

This belief makes you who you are. And it makes me who I am.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

You're better than this. Come on.

Viral pandemic

Science shows wearing mask slows spread

So yea, it's selfish.

Not going to rehash anything else here.

I'm not better than that haha. Being selfish in 2020 because someone told me to wear a mask? So the thousands that die every year from viral infections don't matter?

Wear a mask if that's what you want to do. Do all you can to protect yourself. That's fine. Don't mask shame though because others don't wear a mask. I just expect that you'll wear a mask for the rest of your life, which again, is fine.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This belief makes you who you are. And it makes me who I am.

I have no issues with wearing a mask for short periods of time in public (and long periods of time at work) during a pandemic. If you do that sure says a lot more about you than it does me.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I'm not better than that haha. Being selfish in 2020 because someone told me to wear a mask? So the thousands that die every year from viral infections don't matter?

Wear a mask if that's what you want to do. Do all you can to protect yourself. That's fine. Don't mask shame though because others don't wear a mask. I just expect that you'll wear a mask for the rest of your life, which again, is fine.

I assure you when covid goes away (and it will at some point) I will not be wearing a mask.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I have no issues with wearing a mask for short periods of time in public (and long periods of time at work) during a pandemic. If you do that sure says a lot more about you than it does me.

I don't think anyone does to be honest, so I'm not sure your point.

Pretty sure every single person in this forum wears a mask when required to. I certainly do; and when it is not required, I never do.

If you think not wearing a mask when not having to makes me selfish; then the word has lost all meaning.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Science shows wearing mask slows spread

Please, show me the science that supports this.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

While I personally disagree with the premise here, it is at least a coherent response that puts forth an argument. That alone makes it superior to the nonsensical drivel spewed by another poster (who I shall not name, but his initials are NC, hehe).

I see the major difference here though as being the vaccine. A flu vaccine allows a person to protect themselves if they wish from the risk of infected people in their vicinity as they go about their business. Short of a hazmat suit, there is no such protection from Covid, since as we have previously established, masks protect others, not the wearer. I see the personal choice aspect of a flu vaccine as sufficient prevention for those that want it.

Since no such prevention exists for Covid, we must rely on our neighbors to protect us.



I shall take that as a compliment and offer my thanks.

I'd like to think that the people that don't fit neatly into some little box are the more interesting folks. It scares me how many people seem to follow straight down the line on every single issue with their party.

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I understand that and I understand if the flu shot was 100% effective it would make much more sense to me. However at best when the shot is a good match for a particular season's type of flu its still only 40-60% effective. Meaning even in the best years you still have 30,000-40,000 deaths from it.

If you're up an arms and dead set on what we are doing now to protect others, you should have been doing it before. Just my opinion.

I definitely don't fit into a box. I've never cared much for politics until this year and I often share beliefs from both parties but often disagree with how to best implement them.

I believe government should serve to compromise to meet the needs of both parties. However, I think certain key members of the left are so far that way that there is no longer room to find middle ground if they get their way.

[JustRachel]

Let's say someone wanted to take over a nation, to install themselves as an uncontested leader. It's been done many times throughout history. One way has been to simply destroy that country's military and proclaim oneself king. That's been done many times historically.

Another way is to take control from within. Maduro and Chavez did it in Venezuela. Pol Pot in Cambodia. Mao Tse Tung, Mussolini, Stalin, all rose from within a nation to seize power.

How did they do it? Well, there are some common themes. Some of the first steps these men took were:

1) Control of information. Installing oneself as the One Source of Truth.

2) Suppressing votes, controlling elections

3) Discrediting political rivals, sometimes even arresting or killing them

4) Taking control of the judiciary

These things allowed those men to change the rules to retain power, as Putin did in Russia. These are the first steps in the playbook for these types of tyrants.

Trump has done or tried to do all of these. Everyone but him is lying, he says. Doctors, scientists, politicians, all are liars. The GOP isn't even trying to hide voter suppression tactics anymore and gerrymandering is running rampant, allowing his party to retain power in the face of waning public support. He and his cronies call every political rival a criminal and chant "Lock Him Up" daily. And Trump brags about seizing the judiciary, appointing hundreds of federal judges and turning SCOTUS to the right.

The next steps in the playbook include consolidation. Purges of opposition of all types, from unfriendly media to dissenting views put forth by anyone of any profession are common among these leaders. Installation of trusted family members and other loyal cronies follows. At this point, loyalty is more important than any other qualification. And as before, controlling the media and flow of information are crucial.

Never before has our nation seen a president like Donald J. Trump. His constant fear mongering has allowed him to install himself among the faithful as the savior, the defender, the solution.

We've seen all this before, and it hasn't worked out so well.

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[majestik101]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I assure you when covid goes away (and it will at some point) I will not be wearing a mask.

The virus will mysteriously 'vanish' if President Harris wins.

It's science.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Please, show me the science that supports this.

Google "do masks work".

It's not hard.

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[majestik101]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Google "do masks work".

It's not hard.

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That's not science. But nice try.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I understand that and I understand if the flu shot was 100% effective it would make much more sense to me. However at best when the shot is a good match for a particular season's type of flu its still only 40-60% effective. Meaning even in the best years you still have 30,000-40,000 deaths from it.



If you're up an arms and dead set on what we are doing now to protect others, you should have been doing it before. Just my opinion.



I definitely don't fit into a box. I've never cared much for politics until this year and I often share beliefs from both parties but often disagree with how to best implement them.



I believe government should serve to compromise to meet the needs of both parties. However, I think certain key members of the left are so far that way that there is no longer room to find middle ground if they get their way.

I generally find you to be a reasonable individual. I respect that.

You make good points. As for the flu or any other virus, I guess the key is "reasonable" precautions. I do and always have taken reasonable precautions. People say driving is dangerous, and they're right. But is it reasonable to ban driving? No. Slap on a seat belt and be careful.

Covid I think requires a bit more to be "reasonable precautions".

As to the bolded, dead right. 100%


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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by majestik101

That's not science. But nice try.

None of it? You could not find a single scientific argument? What came up when you hit the search button? Chocolate chip cookie recipes?

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Let's say someone wanted to take over a nation, to install themselves as an uncontested leader. It's been done many times throughout history. One way has been to simply destroy that country's military and proclaim oneself king. That's been done many times historically.

Another way is to take control from within. Maduro and Chavez did it in Venezuela. Pol Pot in Cambodia. Mao Tse Tung, Mussolini, Stalin, all rose from within a nation to seize power.

How did they do it? Well, there are some common themes. Some of the first steps these men took were:

1) Control of information. Installing oneself as the One Source of Truth.

2) Suppressing votes, controlling elections

3) Discrediting political rivals, sometimes even arresting or killing them

4) Taking control of the judiciary

These things allowed those men to change the rules to retain power, as Putin did in Russia. These are the first steps in the playbook for these types of tyrants.

Trump has done or tried to do all of these. Everyone but him is lying, he says. Doctors, scientists, politicians, all are liars. The GOP isn't even trying to hide voter suppression tactics anymore and gerrymandering is running rampant, allowing his party to retain power in the face of waning public support. He and his cronies call every political rival a criminal and chant "Lock Him Up" daily. And Trump brags about seizing the judiciary, appointing hundreds of federal judges and turning SCOTUS to the right.

The next steps in the playbook include consolidation. Purges of opposition of all types, from unfriendly media to dissenting views put forth by anyone of any profession are common among these leaders. Installation of trusted family members and other loyal cronies follows. At this point, loyalty is more important than any other qualification. And as before, controlling the media and flow of information are crucial.

Never before has our nation seen a president like Donald J. Trump. His constant fear mongering has allowed him to install himself among the faithful as the savior, the defender, the solution.

We've seen all this before, and it hasn't worked out so well.

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I think you have too much time on your hands.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't think anyone does to be honest, so I'm not sure your point.

Pretty sure every single person in this forum wears a mask when required to. I certainly do; and when it is not required, I never do.

If you think not wearing a mask when not having to makes me selfish; then the word has lost all meaning.

It was required at the Bullhead, AZ walmart I just went to....but it was 70% not wearing masks.
Debating on lighting a cig inside walmart next time I go....

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by rman112

I think you have too much time on your hands.

Or a pretty wild imagination.
The "Trump wants to be a dictator" argument just seems so bizarre to me.

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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Let's say someone wanted to take over a nation, to install themselves as an uncontested leader. It's been done many times throughout history. One way has been to simply destroy that country's military and proclaim oneself king. That's been done many times historically.

Another way is to take control from within. Maduro and Chavez did it in Venezuela. Pol Pot in Cambodia. Mao Tse Tung, Mussolini, Stalin, all rose from within a nation to seize power.

How did they do it? Well, there are some common themes. Some of the first steps these men took were:

1) Control of information. Installing oneself as the One Source of Truth.

2) Suppressing votes, controlling elections

3) Discrediting political rivals, sometimes even arresting or killing them

4) Taking control of the judiciary

These things allowed those men to change the rules to retain power, as Putin did in Russia. These are the first steps in the playbook for these types of tyrants.

Trump has done or tried to do all of these. Everyone but him is lying, he says. Doctors, scientists, politicians, all are liars. The GOP isn't even trying to hide voter suppression tactics anymore and gerrymandering is running rampant, allowing his party to retain power in the face of waning public support. He and his cronies call every political rival a criminal and chant "Lock Him Up" daily. And Trump brags about seizing the judiciary, appointing hundreds of federal judges and turning SCOTUS to the right.

The next steps in the playbook include consolidation. Purges of opposition of all types, from unfriendly media to dissenting views put forth by anyone of any profession are common among these leaders. Installation of trusted family members and other loyal cronies follows. At this point, loyalty is more important than any other qualification. And as before, controlling the media and flow of information are crucial.

Never before has our nation seen a president like Donald J. Trump. His constant fear mongering has allowed him to install himself among the faithful as the savior, the defender, the solution.

We've seen all this before, and it hasn't worked out so well.

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Good Lord lol. Do you have any aluminum foil left after making your hats? Your posts have gotten more and more entertaining! This should get even more entertaining if Trump pulls off a victory.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

I think you have too much time on your hands.

Well...yeah.

Excellent rebuttal, btw.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

It was required at the Bullhead, AZ walmart I just went to....but it was 70% not wearing masks.

Debating on lighting a cig inside walmart next time I go....

That's really strange to me. I've been in Walmarts, Targets, Menards, Home Depots and plenty of grocery stores here in Des Moines and I think I've seen one elderly gentleman without a mask, and that was just a day ago. Guessing he has a medical condition.
Masks are pretty much mandatory and enforced with door greeters here.
Although I don't think many people have been forced and just do it on their own.
Honestly, I'm having a difficult time believing your Walmart scenario. It just seems pretty hard to believe compared to my neck of the woods

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