2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 2189

GOWIFB · 11-01-2020, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Early vote closed in NC now. Amazing the turnout being identical among both parties.

Sets R's up nicely for election day. We'll see.

Just curious do these numbers include mail in voting or are those results still currently unknown? Also looks like a big key here is going to be which way do the independents vote. In addition which party defects more is also going to be a factor. What percent of the Democrats voted for Trump and what percentage of Republicans voted for Biden?

Brobocop · 11-01-2020, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

Just like protesting/rioting is and keeping your business open?

Stay on topic

pac213up · 11-01-2020, 09:51 AM

Not seeing much significant movement in polls the last couple of days and unlike 2016 Trump has failed to close the gap on General election polls. Overall Biden has polled remarkable consistent for a long period of time. I do not see the polls being worse than 2016...which means it looks like Biden has this fairly easily.

MI,PA, WI all look good for Biden. NC is leaning blue with the young voter turnout which is Independent and favors D's by a significant amount when under 30. I think the under 30 turnout is going to be surprisingly significant and good for Biden across the board and impact where Independents lean.

JustRachel · 11-01-2020, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I know people hate to hear the Influenza argument but it was credited with roughly 60,000 deaths last year and I doubt it has been inflated as much as Covid.

(I could be wrong but I believe they calculated deaths different from the annual Flu and how they do for Covid do to political/financial reasons, is there a difference anymore?).

Did you go around wearing masks, social distancing, shutting down businesses, ect last year? If not, why? 60,000 preventable deaths is a lot, its not Covid but its a lot and preventable.

While I personally disagree with the premise here, it is at least a coherent response that puts forth an argument. That alone makes it superior to the nonsensical drivel spewed by another poster (who I shall not name, but his initials are NC, hehe).

I see the major difference here though as being the vaccine. A flu vaccine allows a person to protect themselves if they wish from the risk of infected people in their vicinity as they go about their business. Short of a hazmat suit, there is no such protection from Covid, since as we have previously established, masks protect others, not the wearer. I see the personal choice aspect of a flu vaccine as sufficient prevention for those that want it.

Since no such prevention exists for Covid, we must rely on our neighbors to protect us.

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Sometimes I’m not sure if I want to high five you or flip you the bird. It’s very confusing.

I shall take that as a compliment and offer my thanks.

I'd like to think that the people that don't fit neatly into some little box are the more interesting folks. It scares me how many people seem to follow straight down the line on every single issue with their party.

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DegaBama · 11-01-2020, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

Stay on topic

Or answer the question?

The hypocrisy in the fact that you don't even need an ID to vote, yet need one to go eat, is ridiculous.

JustRachel · 11-01-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

Or answer the question?

The hypocrisy in the fact that you don't even need an ID to vote, yet need one to go eat, is ridiculous.

Wait...you need an ID to go eat? What did I miss?

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rhigh2390 · 11-01-2020, 10:09 AM

Why is anyone against having an ID to vote?

JustRachel · 11-01-2020, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Why is anyone against having an ID to vote?

One reason that comes to mind is that IDs are not free. States charge a fee to get them. Forcing a citizen to pay for the right to vote is kinda not cool. What about homeless people trying to find some food to eat? They don't want to drop $25 for an ID so they can vote, but their vote should count same as ours.

The real reason though is that requiring IDs would help one party by hurting the other. Without that, nobody would be arguing about it.

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NeedChapmans · 11-01-2020, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Just curious do these numbers include mail in voting or are those results still currently unknown? Also looks like a big key here is going to be which way do the independents vote. In addition which party defects more is also going to be a factor. What percent of the Democrats voted for Trump and what percentage of Republicans voted for Biden?

This is 100% of the early vote; it includes all mail ballots and in person early voting.

The defections you note happen more on the D side every election because a lot of old school legacy Dems actually vote R these days. Why the Dems have a 400,000 registration advantage in North Carolina (and why they had a 700,000 advantage in 2016). Slowly, those D registrations are changing to R.

DegaBama · 11-01-2020, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Wait...you need an ID to go eat? What did I miss?

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You do in Michigan for contract tracing.

DegaBama · 11-01-2020, 10:28 AM

If people can't see the fraud Fauci is, they can't be helped. Saying there's a perfect storm with people being indoors this winter... THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU RECOMMEND RESTRICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER?! Mind-blowing.

JustRachel · 11-01-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

You do in Michigan for contract tracing.

Wowsers. That's a bit "Big Brothery"!!!

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Pete Schweddy · 11-01-2020, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

Imagine where one is a right and the other is a privilege.

I have to show ID to purchase gun, which is a right.

JustRachel · 11-01-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

If people can't see the fraud Fauci is, they can't be helped. Saying there's a perfect storm with people being indoors this winter... THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU RECOMMEND RESTRICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER?! Mind-blowing.

Umm...huh? I'm struggling to connect whatever dots you're offering here.

Fauci has said things are likely to get worse as winter comes. Why do you think that makes him a fraud?

Oh, wait...I get it now. Is it because Herr Trump pulled some totalitarian crap and discredited his opposition?

Heil Trump!!!

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ucLAkers · 11-01-2020, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

Wow, I’m surprised. I’m always told the righties are full of hate

Not righties...Trumpers
There is a huge huge YUGE difference...

Brobocop · 11-01-2020, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

Or answer the question?

The hypocrisy in the fact that you don't even need an ID to vote, yet need one to go eat, is ridiculous.

I did answer the question. You just deflected about something related to protests.

free2131 · 11-01-2020, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

I have to show ID to purchase gun, which is a right.

You have the right to own a gun, not purchase one.

DegaBama · 11-01-2020, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Umm...huh? I'm struggling to connect whatever dots you're offering here.

Fauci has said things are likely to get worse as winter comes. Why do you think that makes him a fraud?

Oh, wait...I get it now. Is it because Herr Trump pulled some totalitarian crap and discredited his opposition?

Heil Trump!!!

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Then why wasn't he pushing for getting people outside in the summer, when now he is saying being inside will cause more issues?

techtre2003 · 11-01-2020, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

I have to show ID to purchase gun, which is a right.

In IL I have to purchase a special license to possess a firearm.

JustRachel · 11-01-2020, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

Then why wasn't he pushing for getting people outside in the summer, when now he is saying being inside will cause more issues?

He was.

He suggested any gatherings should be held outdoors.

The real question is why Trump discredited a top Infectious Disease expert and replaced him with a neuroradiologist that toes the company line.

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yanksfan1 · 11-01-2020, 11:19 AM

Interesting data point in Georgia early voting. So far, 93% of the vote total from 2016 has already been cast there. Of those votes, at least 55.1% are from women, 42.9% from men and then 1.9% are from unknown/voters who don't have it on voter file. Even if all the unknown are men, that's still a 10% point gender gap in voter turnout.

NeedChapmans · 11-01-2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan1

Interesting data point in Georgia early voting. So far, 93% of the vote total from 2016 has already been cast there. Of those votes, at least 55.1% are from women, 42.9% from men and then 1.9% are from unknown/voters who don't have it on voter file. Even if all the unknown are men, that's still a 10% point gender gap in voter turnout.

True of NC as well.

DegaBama · 11-01-2020, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

He was.

He suggested any gatherings should be held outdoors.

The real question is why Trump discredited a top Infectious Disease expert and replaced him with a neuroradiologist that toes the company line.

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Pushing for social distancing and limits on mass gatherings is not pushing for getting people outside. His opinion should matter zero. As should the new guy Trump has. Data should rule at this point.

At the end of the day, A LOT of people made mistakes. Which happens when an unknown thing comes. I think it's overall unfair to blame people's actions in March and April. However, seeing people DOUBLE DOWN is an issue. They would rather mess up again, rather than change their mind, admit they were wrong and reverse course.

JustinVerlander07 · 11-01-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

You do in Michigan for contract tracing.

Like everything else I'm assuming any restaurant isn't going to force people into giving up their info or turn them away. Sorta like the 'mandatory' mask thing that people are too selfish to put on.

DegaBama · 11-01-2020, 11:45 AM

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Like everything else I'm assuming any restaurant isn't going to force people into giving up their info or turn them away. Sorta like the 'mandatory' mask thing that people are too selfish to put on.

I would hope they wouldn't but who knows.

Selfish? Hahahahahah.

View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

11-01-2020, 09:51 AM	#54703
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,268	Not seeing much significant movement in polls the last couple of days and unlike 2016 Trump has failed to close the gap on General election polls. Overall Biden has polled remarkable consistent for a long period of time. I do not see the polls being worse than 2016...which means it looks like Biden has this fairly easily. MI,PA, WI all look good for Biden. NC is leaning blue with the young voter turnout which is Independent and favors D's by a significant amount when under 30. I think the under 30 turnout is going to be surprisingly significant and good for Biden across the board and impact where Independents lean. __________________ "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

11-01-2020, 10:09 AM	#54707
rhigh2390 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 10,814	Why is anyone against having an ID to vote? __________________ Jerry, it's L.A..... Nobody leaves. MJ Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152884306@N08/albums Bulls Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/145799131@N08/albums

11-01-2020, 10:28 AM	#54711
DegaBama Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,582	If people can't see the fraud Fauci is, they can't be helped. Saying there's a perfect storm with people being indoors this winter... THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU RECOMMEND RESTRICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER?! Mind-blowing.

11-01-2020, 11:19 AM	#54721
yanksfan1 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Interesting data point in Georgia early voting. So far, 93% of the vote total from 2016 has already been cast there. Of those votes, at least 55.1% are from women, 42.9% from men and then 1.9% are from unknown/voters who don't have it on voter file. Even if all the unknown are men, that's still a 10% point gender gap in voter turnout.