2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I really only responded to what I'm arguing in bold. I've stated in the past what I mean when I said conservatives vs republicans and to me they are both the same thing. Personally I've never heard of a liberal republican. So at the end of the day, feel free to identify what you like. The way you talk about right makes me believe you read a lot of left leaning stuff. I don't like Trump but I'm quite aware that suppressing minorities is done in both parties and it's silly to say otherwise.

I hear you. But many conservatives dislike Trump (since he isn't one). That does not mean we like liberals.

Originally Posted by mike1498

Due to polarization I don't believe there is anything more than two sides.



Look at this thread, there's very few moderates on here. Even ones who try to portray themselves at it, have a clear leaning. That's why I say voting third party is a waste of a vote. Now you may ask, why did I write in a vote? I'm at the point that I don't care if my vote is wasted. I know it won't start the uprising of the third party, but I couldn't convince myself to vote Trump and I don't agree with the democratic platform.

The way parties move and change over time is exactly what I think you may be underestimating.

It's logical to say there are two sides. But each "side" has more sides within it. Not all democrats are progressive, for example.

As the political landscapes change over time, meaning the American public shifts slowly one way or the other, the losing party tends to move more toward the center to compensate and stay relevant. This has happened to both parties at different times in their histories. As the republicans have shifted, they moved away from conservatives and toward people like Trump. Most conservatives will probably still vote Trump because he is closer to their viewpoint than any democrat is likely to ever be. But those conservatives will not be happy about Trump despite having chosen him as the lesser of two evils.

I rip on Trump more than I rip on liberals because I expect weird ideology from the left, so I don't get upset by it. But when a clown like Trump comes to the right and starts doing crazy stuff like stifling the media and spending uncontrollably, it feels like he's screwing with my side, not some left crap that's always been weird anyway. Now both sides are weird. Ugh.

Perhaps his biggest sin is tossing out norms of conduct. McConnell is responsible for most of that, but Trump does it as well. Conservatives believe that gentlemanly behavior and good faith need to be a part of government. Conservatives (unlike republicans) don't act like juvenile morons in Congress. John McCain simply wouldn't act like these children running around Congress these days, stabbing each other in the back and going back on their word every five minutes.


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[salthill]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

oh by producing the lowest unemployment rates for african americans i think ever? yeah hes a terrible man.

How’re those numbers looking now?
If you’re going to give him credit for sitting at the bottom of a trend that began in 2010, then he also has to accept responsibility for that number reaching its second-highest level ever.

But wait...is this racist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPUFwmZN9eo
or does it not apply?

Does that clip of Biden make Trump not racist? I’m not sure that’s how it works.
Enjoy your coffee, it’s a great beverage!

edit: IDGAF about UK politics thats probably why, but the point is just about every country that isn't like an island or whatever is seeing a spike, it happens, its an invisible virus. Trump did what he had to do on the fly...Biden has a "plan" yeah im real sure.

Guess which country we’re talking about is an island...

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I have no idea where you are headed with this.







I've not defended anyone on the boards except to tell you Rachel was not a liberal.







let me be 100% clear: the dems are frauds. The pubs are frauds. Each party will say or do whatever it takes to further their agenda.

Well said.

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[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by salthill

How’re those numbers looking now?
If you’re going to give him credit for sitting at the bottom of a trend that began in 2010, then he also has to accept responsibility for that number reaching its second-highest level ever.


Does that clip of Biden make Trump not racist? I’m not sure that’s how it works.
Enjoy your coffee, it’s a great beverage!


Guess which country we’re talking about is an island...

1. Those current numbers are not his fault, blame the shutdowns of your wonderful party who want to control all of us on the way to communism....i didn't misspeak i do mean communism.

2. Trump really isn't racist imo

3. Yes coffee is delicious, many health benefits, helps with alertness, and really gets the poop going in the morning.

4. i was referring to how everyone was worshipping new zealand, because they're pretty stand alone.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I hear you. But many conservatives dislike Trump (since he isn't one). That does not mean we like liberals.



The way parties move and change over time is exactly what I think you may be underestimating.

It's logical to say there are two sides. But each "side" has more sides within it. Not all democrats are progressive, for example.

As the political landscapes changes over time, meaning the American public shifts slowly one way or the other, the losing party tends to move more toward the center to compensate and stay relevant. This has happened to both parties at different times in their histories. As the republicans have shifted, they moved away from conservatives and toward people like Trump. Most conservatives will probably still vote Trump because he is closer to their viewpoint than any democrat is likely to ever be. But those conservatives will not be happy about Trump despite having chosen him as the lesser of two evils.

I rip on Trump more than I rip on liberals because I expect weird ideology from the left, so I don't get upset by it. But when a clown like Trump comes to the right and starts doing crazy stuff like stifling the media and spending uncontrollably, it feels like he's screwing with my side, not done left crap that's always been weird anyway. Now both sides are weird. Ugh.

Perhaps his biggest sin is tossing out norms of conduct. McConnell is responsible for most of that, but Trump does it as well. Conservatives believe that gentlemanly behavior and good faith need to be a part of government. Conservatives (unlike republicans) don't act like juvenile morons in Congress. John McCain simply wouldn't act like these children running around Congress these days, stabbing each other in the back and going back on their word every five minutes.


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Fine, but saying misinformation about the republican party being the party of suppression makes you look like a liberal democrat whatever. You can dislike Trump and realize that statement is nonsense.

To your second point, it is binary but you bring up a good point about the lefts split. It's the reason they will have difficulty defeating Trump. Some lefties are scared of the radical left. What we do know is that most of the left that fears socialism is over 65. This means in a few decades I truly believe the left will support full blown socialism. The split was very clear with age demographics between voters for Bernie and Biden in the primaries. We right now are in the "transition" stage.

I totally disagree with you on discrediting the media. When something is **** it's ****. You make it clear Trump is **** why is it that hard to say it about the media? I'm glad Trump put the media in it's place. No one with as much power as he has have ever challenged it as aggressively.

To your last point, I actually agree with you. It's the reason I didn't vote Trump. But if you think Pelosi doesn't fall into that group you're silly. So really what I'm getting at is why rip on one party when it happens on both sides? Covid, all trumps fault. Budget, all trumps fault. Division, all trumps fault. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely at fault somewhat for all them. You always discredit the dems being part of the problem. They won't work with him no matter what you think.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

3. The right sticking up for "poor lil' wayne" cracks me up. As if anyone here gave a flip about lil wayne before he endorsed trump.

They'd blow a gasket if they Googled up some of their new lil' pal's lyrics.


I also found it quite telling how quickly they embraced Ice Cube for not immediately dismissing Trump's lies out of hand, even though Ice Cube co-wrote the most iconic anti-police song ever, and undoubtedly still stands by those words.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Fine, but saying misinformation about the republican party being the party of suppression makes you look like a liberal democrat whatever. You can dislike Trump and realize that statement is nonsense.



To your second point, it is binary but you bring up a good point about the lefts split. It's the reason they will have difficulty defeating Trump. Some lefties are scared of the radical left. What we do know is that most of the left that fears socialism is over 65. This means in a few decades I truly believe the left will support full blown socialism. The split was very clear with age demographics between voters for Bernie and Biden in the primaries. We right now are in the "transition" stage.



I totally disagree with you on discrediting the media. When something is **** it's ****. You make it clear Trump is **** why is it that hard to say it about the media? I'm glad Trump put the media in it's place. No one with as much power as he has have ever challenged it as aggressively.



To your last point, I actually agree with you. It's the reason I didn't vote Trump. But if you think Pelosi doesn't fall into that group you're silly. So really what I'm getting at is why rip on one party when it happens on both sides? Covid, all trumps fault. Budget, all trumps fault. Division, all trumps fault. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely at fault somewhat for all them. You always discredit the dems being part of the problem. They won't work with him no matter what you think.

Again, when have you seen me defending liberal idiocy? Attacking or hating Trump does not mean I support democrats or liberals.

I am freaking disgusted by Pelosi. She's horrible. I do not, have not, will not endorse her crazy antics. I'm not sure why you think I do.

I'm not sure I've said the republican party is the party of suppression. Let me clarify: Trump is most definitely suppressing some things. But that does not mean that I think he is the only one! I don't support BLM riots or any of that crap either. I'm not sure why you think I do. Both parties are oppressing/suppressing things. It's not cool for either party to act this way. I have never said it was okay for anyone to do this.

Do not mistake my hatred of Trump as love for Pelosi or liberals. That's just a silly assumption and, to be honest, it's offensive.

Why rip on one party? Because it's the party in power. Because I can. Because I want to. Because Trump is on my TV lying through his teeth every day. That's why.

Seriously, Mike...this isn't like you. You're not some name-calling clown...are you?

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[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Again, when have you seen me defending liberal idiocy? Attacking or hating Trump does not mean I support democrats or liberals.

I am freaking disgusted by Pelosi. She's horrible. I do not, have not, will not endorse her crazy antics. I'm not sure why you think I do.

I'm not sure I've said the republican party is the party of suppression. Let me clarify: Trump is most definitely suppressing some things. But that does not mean that I think he is the only one! I don't support BLM riots or any of that crap either. I'm not sure why you think I do. Both parties are oppressing/suppressing things. It's not cool for either party to act this way. I have never said it was okay for anyone to do this.

Do not mistake my hatred of Trump as love for Pelosi or liberals. That's just a silly assumption and, to be honest, it's offensive.

Why rip on one party? Because it's the party in power. Because I can. Because I want to. Because Trump is on my TV lying through his teeth every day. That's why.

Seriously, Mike...this isn't like you. You're not some name-calling clown...are you?

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Don't you know that you're supposed to pick one side to blindly support and hate everything about the other! Geez!

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by salthill

Your ignorance of UK politics does you no favors in this situation. The Tories (who are in power) never had a plan to deal with covid. (Or rather they took the Trump style “open it up” approach). And they derided their opposition for calling for a lockdown (“We’ll keep Britain open!”). Now cases and hospitalisations are out of control and they’ve finally come around.
No the virus isn’t 100% Trump’s fault.
Yes he’s “so stupid” (he’s incredibly intellectually limited - his inability to finish a coherent sentence and long rambling rally babbling show that).
He’s also a documented long-term racist, and a self-admitted sexual assaulter. Plus a terrible businessman. Any other shining qualities I forgot?

Trump's cowed the people around him to the point that no one's willing to tell him how grotesque his spray tan/pancake makeup combo looks. It's an "Emperor's New Clothes" scenario at this point. He's also very low energy, at times unable to raise a glass to his mouth with one hand or effortlessly walk down a slight incline, unlike Biden who can still ride a bicycle. I can't even imagine Trump even getting on a bike without a system of pulleys and counterweights.

He sets the worst possible example for Americans to follow at all times, as though that is his default setting.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump's cowed the people around him to the point that no one's willing to tell him how grotesque his spray tan/pancake makeup combo looks. It's an "Emperor's New Clothes" scenario at this point. He's also very low energy, at times unable to raise a glass to his mouth with one hand or effortlessly walk down a slight incline, unlike Biden who can still ride a bicycle. I can't even imagine Trump even getting on a bike without a system of pulleys and counterweights.

He sets the worst possible example for Americans to follow at all times, as though that is his default setting.

But no mention of Biden's hairplugs, plastic surgery and teeth enamel?
Seriously I don't give a rat's behind about it, I just find you to be pretty comical when you're not trying to be.
Like others have stated, my life won't change much depending on who wins. I'll accept the outcome and continue on with my life as usual.
If Trump wins will you?

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[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Again, when have you seen me defending liberal idiocy? Attacking or hating Trump does not mean I support democrats or liberals.

I am freaking disgusted by Pelosi. She's horrible. I do not, have not, will not endorse her crazy antics. I'm not sure why you think I do.

I'm not sure I've said the republican party is the party of suppression. Let me clarify: Trump is most definitely suppressing some things. But that does not mean that I think he is the only one! I don't support BLM riots or any of that crap either. I'm not sure why you think I do. Both parties are oppressing/suppressing things. It's not cool for either party to act this way. I have never said it was okay for anyone to do this.

Do not mistake my hatred of Trump as love for Pelosi or liberals. That's just a silly assumption and, to be honest, it's offensive.

Why rip on one party? Because it's the party in power. Because I can. Because I want to. Because Trump is on my TV lying through his teeth every day. That's why.

Seriously, Mike...this isn't like you. You're not some name-calling clown...are you?

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I usually stay out of this thread, but being that the election is a couple of days away, I thought I’d read a few pages just out of curiousity. I just wanted to say, you are one of the more rational people here. Trump is not a Repulican; he is an opportunist. He was a Democrat and huge Clinton supporter until he realized there were 16 Republicans throwing in and figured he’d go get some attention. Now he’s the President. He professes to be this Reagan-esque transformative President only he’s literally the antithesis of President Reagan. Reagan had a sign on his desk that read, “There’s no limit to what we can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit.” Our current President only cares about getting the credit.

Frankly, I don’t care who wins the Presidency on Tuesday because either guy is likely only gonna be there for 4 years. I’ll just enjoy the show. What I’m hoping for on election night is the Republicans at least hold the Senate so whomever is in the Oval office can’t do too much damage. In this case, gridlock is good.

And P.S. You can pass my kudos to your husband as well. If only more teachers resisted from indoctrinating our children.

[Gatorsmld]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I have no idea where you are headed with this.



I've not defended anyone on the boards except to tell you Rachel was not a liberal.



let me be 100% clear: the dems are frauds. The pubs are frauds. Each party will say or do whatever it takes to further their agenda.

I would agree with your last point. However, only one party currently tries to uphold the 2nd amendment. That’s who gets my vote.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

yes i guess england just started a 1 month lockdown. But how? everyone had a plan besides trump, hes just so stupid, and the virus is 100% his fault.

Pretty sure Trump gave the experts the middle finger back in August....he gave up on us. He is not a true leader...except maybe on the golf course.

All of Europe will be closed by 11/7


But here in the US.....”rounding the corner” and by 11/4 “you wont hear about covid”....so there’s that. Good thing its a hoax here.....

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Pretty sure Trump gave the experts the middle finger back in August....he gave up on us. He is not a true leader...except maybe on the golf course.

All of Europe will be closed by 11/7


But here in the US.....”rounding the corner” and by 11/4 “you wont hear about covid”....so there’s that. Good thing its a hoax here.....

Europe closing is the wrong move. The "experts" missed big time.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Again, when have you seen me defending liberal idiocy? Attacking or hating Trump does not mean I support democrats or liberals.

I am freaking disgusted by Pelosi. She's horrible. I do not, have not, will not endorse her crazy antics. I'm not sure why you think I do.

I'm not sure I've said the republican party is the party of suppression. Let me clarify: Trump is most definitely suppressing some things. But that does not mean that I think he is the only one! I don't support BLM riots or any of that crap either. I'm not sure why you think I do. Both parties are oppressing/suppressing things. It's not cool for either party to act this way. I have never said it was okay for anyone to do this.

Do not mistake my hatred of Trump as love for Pelosi or liberals. That's just a silly assumption and, to be honest, it's offensive.

Why rip on one party? Because it's the party in power. Because I can. Because I want to. Because Trump is on my TV lying through his teeth every day. That's why.

Seriously, Mike...this isn't like you. You're not some name-calling clown...are you?

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I'm honestly lost. Correct me on what isn't true.

1) I didn't name call anyone (I did say JD is nuts)
2) You say the right suppresses the minority, get shown that it's both sides and back track your initial statement.
3) You rip on Trump for not doing anything while we both realize the Dems wouldn't work with him anyway
4) You say Trump isn't what the party identifies with and then rips both the party and Trump. Then claims to be part of the republican party. I don't even know or care if your republican or conservative or whatever the hell you want to call it but how do you not see this as confusing?

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Europe closing is the wrong move. The "experts" missed big time.

Thats understandable...but lying to the people in our country is not. Nobody else says the stuff Trump says. “Rounding the corner” and “forget about covid” is not how leaders lead. Its how selfish humans who are really in it for themselves are....

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm honestly lost. Correct me on what isn't true.

1) I didn't name call anyone (I did say JD is nuts)

You should know that really hurt my feelings.

Originally Posted by Astros19

But no mention of Biden's hairplugs, plastic surgery and teeth enamel?
Seriously I don't give a rat's behind about it, I just find you to be pretty comical when you're not trying to be.
Like others have stated, my life won't change much depending on who wins. I'll accept the outcome and continue on with my life as usual.
If Trump wins will you?

I like it that when I am trying to be comical, you think I'm not trying to be comical. That's actually the very essence of my preferred brand of humor.

To answer the question, yes, I'll accept the outcome and continue on with your life as usual.
When do we get up most days?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Thats understandable...but lying to the people in our country is not. Nobody else says the stuff Trump says. “Rounding the corner” and “forget about covid” is not how leaders lead. Its how selfish humans who are really in it for themselves are....

Yes, I tend to care about me and my family first. I dont care what he says. We can nit pick all day long. Having Governors tell me to close my business but it's okay to protest doesn't sit well with me, either.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm honestly lost. Correct me on what isn't true.

1) I didn't name call anyone (I did say JD is nuts)
2) You say the right suppresses the minority, get shown that it's both sides and back track your initial statement.
3) You rip on Trump for not doing anything while we both realize the Dems wouldn't work with him anyway
4) You say Trump isn't what the party identifies with and then rips both the party and Trump. Then claims to be part of the republican party. I don't even know or care if your republican or conservative or whatever the hell you want to call it but how do you not see this as confusing?

I can (and have) explained it to you at length. I cannot understand it for you.

Call me confusing, mean, silly, whatever...just don't call me liberal. That's just mean, man. Haha

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

I usually stay out of this thread, but being that the election is a couple of days away, I thought I’d read a few pages just out of curiousity. I just wanted to say, you are one of the more rational people here. Trump is not a Repulican; he is an opportunist. He was a Democrat and huge Clinton supporter until he realized there were 16 Republicans throwing in and figured he’d go get some attention. Now he’s the President. He professes to be this Reagan-esque transformative President only he’s literally the antithesis of President Reagan. Reagan had a sign on his desk that read, “There’s no limit to what we can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit.” Our current President only cares about getting the credit.



Frankly, I don’t care who wins the Presidency on Tuesday because either guy is likely only gonna be there for 4 years. I’ll just enjoy the show. What I’m hoping for on election night is the Republicans at least hold the Senate so whomever is in the Oval office can’t do too much damage. In this case, gridlock is good.



And P.S. You can pass my kudos to your husband as well. If only more teachers resisted from indoctrinating our children.

Thank you.

I doubt many here would call me rational, but I'd like to think so. Both my husband and I appreciate the kind words.

Reagan would not approve of Mr. Trump. Of that, I am confident.

Enjoy your evening.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I can (and have) explained it to you at length. I cannot understand it for you.

Call me confusing, mean, silly, whatever...just don't call me liberal. That's just mean, man. Haha

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I don’t know why being called a “liberal” is mean. To my friends since I’m more of a moderate Republican they call me a liberal lol. I didn’t know being a liberal was a bad things these days. I’d rather be called a liberal than a radical on either spectrum

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Don't you know that you're supposed to pick one side to blindly support and hate everything about the other! Geez!

Lol. My bad. I didn't understand the rules. : )

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I don’t know why being called a “liberal” is mean. To my friends since I’m more of a moderate Republican they call me a liberal lol. I didn’t know being a liberal was a bad things these days. I’d rather be called a liberal than a radical on either spectrum

Lol. It was a joke.

Enjoy your evening, Mike. I'll pop in again later I'm sure, but the Gators are playing soon. Woohooooo

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by jdandns

You should know that really hurt my feelings.



I like it that when I am trying to be comical, you think I'm not trying to be comical. That's actually the very essence of my preferred brand of humor.

To answer the question, yes, I'll accept the outcome and continue on with your life as usual.
When do we get up most days?

I get your jokes bud

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Lol. It was a joke.

Enjoy your evening, Mike. I'll pop in again later I'm sure, but the Gators are playing soon. Woohooooo

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I’m genuinely confused what just happened