2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

the ways democrats have acted the past four years i can easily see why millions and millions of more republicans would come out to vote.

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.

I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).

Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Zero comparison, we know this. It's just sad that they are resorting to some "camp" over all the fear.

Sending people to a camp, is rather extreme - although if they are getting treatment from professionals there - it may be a good thing. Who knows.

You know, people around the USA or even on both sides of the aisle would be in agreement if Covid was like Ebola (viral hemorrhagic fever) that they could see quickly.

Someone gets infected and the incubation period is what 7-10 days. In that time they could have spread it around their community but since no one can see it - it is "out of sight out of mind".

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.



I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).



Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

***raises hand***

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

One of the crazier outliers in polls for me is that in the recent Times/Siena poll of Pennsylvania that has Biden winning by 7; the margin in Philadelphia according to that poll is 70/24 Biden.

Clinton won Philadelphia 82/15. 584,000 votes to 108,000 votes. If 70/24 is accurate; on 700,000 votes, that means it would be 490,000 to 168,000 and the blue team has 150,000 less votes in the city. That's a lot of burb votes you think your banking to overcome the 50,000 vote loss in the state + the much lower spread in the city.

IDK; a lot of these polls have some crazy lines embedded in them; will be interesting to see what is right and what is just insanely wrong.

This year more than ever, I feel like we're seeing crazy ranges almost solely to account for the "see, we were the only ones correct" chest puffing.

The only thing that would truly shock me in this presidential election would be Jo Jorgenson winning a state. Anything else...I wouldn't be shocked.

It's 2020, perhaps the "Big One" is coming in a week and knocks out One Wilshire in Los Angeles, leaving the US cut off from the bulk of the internet and the bulk of the country in the dark regarding internet.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

the ways democrats have acted the past four years i can easily see why millions and millions of more republicans would come out to vote.

yep, i have a buddy who i can honestly say keeps his mouth shut/generally disinterested in politics, lives his life, knows alot usually doesnt change regardless of who is in, but ive always suspected he leaned left. I used to make trump comments just before 2016 election and he'd kinda laugh and say "oh you and your rhetoric" but nothing more than that. We were hanging out about 2 months ago and he said man, "after all ive seen in these cities and what they are allowing these people to get away with..defund the police? there is no way i would vote democrat this year."

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.

I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).

Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

i agree with that as well.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

You must live in a different world than me. My family, community, and my bank account have never been better. If it wasn't for coronavirus 2020 would have been one of the best years of my life lol. I think your doing it wrong. Life that is.

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As I said, preserving the country and the right of the citizens is more important than policy. At this point I could care less if Trump or the GOP comes up with the best economic plan in history. The GOP has a stranglehold on the country for decades and it will continue to get worse. They get away with everything and their base supports them no matter what. For example they stripped at least two and maybe three democrat governors of their powers after they won the election in 2018 (I am not up to date on if they followed through with it in Michigan). This is stuff that would happen in 3rd world countries with weak governments. It shouldn't be happening in America.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.

I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).

Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

The group of people I am around the most - are voting the same as in 2016.
I have run into a few that are willing to offer up they voted for Trump in 16 but are voting for Biden in 20.

Now, I do not ask people who they are voting for and avoid politics as much as I can when around friends.

I go on facts of the virus and spread. Honestly, a good friend of mine was dead set against masks and said the virus was fabricated to hurt Trump. He called me (knowing my background) and asked me questions about what I knew (and didn't know) and I was completely honest with him.

He is still voting for Trump but also will tell anyone that asks the virus is real and to wear a mask. Maybe I helped him, maybe I didn't. He has been a friend of mine for 10 years and all I care to know is that he is safe.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.

I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).

Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

I couldn’t vote in 2016 but I would’ve voted Trump. This election I can vote in and I didn’t vote for either of those candidates

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.

I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).

Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

I know a bunch

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

yep, i have a buddy who i can honestly say keeps his mouth shut/generally disinterested in politics, lives his life, knows alot usually doesnt change regardless of who is in, but ive always suspected he leaned left. I used to make trump comments just before 2016 election and he'd kinda laugh and say "oh you and your rhetoric" but nothing more than that. We were hanging out about 2 months ago and he said man, "after all ive seen in these cities and what they are allowing these people to get away with..defund the police? there is no way i would vote democrat this year."

my wife was really against trump in 2016 but didnt vote. after four years of seeing the good he has done in the face of the left and media doing everything they can to bring him down and has seen rioting, anarchy, antipolice movement from the left has pushed her in a vote for trump this year. im proud of her.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

As I said, preserving the country and the right of the citizens is more important than policy. At this point I could care less if Trump or the GOP comes up with the best economic plan in history. The GOP has a stranglehold on the country for decades and it will continue to get worse. They get away with everything and their base supports them no matter what. For example they stripped at least two and maybe three democrat governors of their powers after they won the election in 2018 (I am not up to date on if they followed through with it in Michigan). This is stuff that would happen in 3rd world countries with weak governments. It shouldn't be happening in America.

I have to say that when I wake up in the morning, there are a lot of things I'm more concerned about than whether or not some governor had his or her power taken away. That's faux outrage just to be outraged.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I say this honestly but understanding I'm in my own circle of people.

I don't know a single person who voted for Trump in '16 who will not vote for him in '20; but I do know people who didn't vote for him in '16 and will vote for him in '20. (And all Clinton supporters I know are Biden supporters).

Is there anyone in this thread that voted Trump in '16 who will not do the same in '20 (or vote Biden in '20)? That's a hard road to take ...

I have one friend who voted for Trump in 2016 that is not voting for him this year. Why? The Supreme Court has swung to the side he wanted it to for the foreseeable future. (Another reason, is that he's insulating himself with a mixed voting record for a future run in politics.)

My other friends who voted for Trump in 2016 are still voting for Trump in 2020.

That said, I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016 and I won't vote for Trump or Biden in 2020.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by discostu

Why? The Supreme Court has swung to the side he wanted it to for the foreseeable future.

This is underrated. Having a lopsided Supreme Court could be just as important as having the White House.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

I know a bunch

Originally Posted by discostu

I have one friend who voted for Trump in 2016 that is not voting for him this year. Why? The Supreme Court has swung to the side he wanted it to for the foreseeable future. (Another reason, is that he's insulating himself with a mixed voting record for a future run in politics.)

My other friends who voted for Trump in 2016 are still voting for Trump in 2020.

That said, I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016 and I won't vote for Trump or Biden in 2020.

There are two buckets.

Trump '16 vote / no Trump '20 vote
No Trump '16 vote / Trump '20 vote

The latter bucket is undeniably larger to me. So many never-Trump people who voted McMuffin / Johnson and others are coming home. Tired of the riots and the suppression and such. But I also know there are a lot of I's who will also swing to Biden.

Seeing the outliers in some of these polls like the Philly one mentioned above (and how poorly Joe is likely to do in Miami Dade); I still have a hard time w/ this election because it is 100% guaranteed that Trump does better in the city than he did in '16. 100% automatic.

And yet, so many are calling the election already. I can't compute that quite yet.

[GOWIFB]

I really don't know what to make of the numbers this year. There are plenty of numbers indicating Biden will win but plenty of numbers also indicating Trump will win. From just my personal experience I can tell driving around my area that there are tons of Biden signs and hardly any Trump signs. In 2016 Clinton signs definitely outnumbered Trump but no where near Biden signs outnumbering Trump this time. Also my mom is in a pretty conservative city and as of a month ago I saw about a dozen Biden signs. In 2016 I only saw two Clinton signs and that was just the week before the election. Trump signs were still outnumbering Biden signs in her area but not nearly as big as the difference was in 2016. I still believe that overall though the projections are showing that Trump is going to prevail.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

my wife was really against trump in 2016 but didnt vote. after four years of seeing the good he has done in the face of the left and media doing everything they can to bring him down and has seen rioting, anarchy, antipolice movement from the left has pushed her in a vote for trump this year. im proud of her.

love it, goes back to the old saying actions speak louder than words.

Trump has done so much in terms of economic growth, and for all classes/races...i did laugh when he said he was probably the best for african-americans since lincoln, but he's not far off imo. And did leaps and bounds more than Obama did, and as they say "for his own people". Trump does say a lot of dumb $hit but again actions speak louder than words.

on the flip side, the dems say all the stuff people want to hear, but do nothing really. and look at the actions of many of their voters. see portland for example, if portland isn't your cup of tea, see seattle, or chicago, or the fine folks of NYC in that video that was posted on here recently.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I have to say that when I wake up in the morning, there are a lot of things I'm more concerned about than whether or not some governor had his or her power taken away. That's faux outrage just to be outraged.

lol it is not fake outrage. It is just one example of how the GOP has unfairly placed a stranglehold on the country. When voter suppression failed they just changed the election results after the fact. The second a GOP governor is elected in those states I guaranty their powers will be given back to them.

[pingbling23]

ive traveled through multiple states (did an 8 state road trip in 9 days camping with my wife as well as other vacations) this year with a lot of back roads. ive seen thousands of trump signs and maybe 50 biden signs. ive seen vehicle parades going down the interstate with hundreds of cars, ive seen boat parades on multiple lakes, all in favor of trump.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

lol it is not fake outrage. It is just one example of how the GOP has unfairly placed a stranglehold on the country. When voter suppression failed they just changed the election results after the fact. The second a GOP governor is elected in those states I guaranty their powers will be given back to them.

Again, the vast majority of Americans are 10000x more concerned with their own lives than with whether or not some governor was treated unfairly.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

ive traveled through multiple states (did an 8 state road trip in 9 days camping with my wife as well as other vacations) this year with a lot of back roads. ive seen thousands of trump signs and maybe 50 biden signs. ive seen vehicle parades going down the interstate with hundreds of cars, ive seen boat parades on multiple lakes, all in favor of trump.

I've heard that a heck of a lot more than the previous post which claimed that there are more Biden signs in their area. Was it this thread where someone posted the top three signs in their state:

1. Trump
2. Wood for sale
3. Biden

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

ive traveled through multiple states (did an 8 state road trip in 9 days camping with my wife as well as other vacations) this year with a lot of back roads. ive seen thousands of trump signs and maybe 50 biden signs. ive seen vehicle parades going down the interstate with hundreds of cars, ive seen boat parades on multiple lakes, all in favor of trump.

But I heard every single boat sank.

[coachnip13]

Could someone tell me which states had their gubernatorial election results just changed by the GOP? Seems like that would have been bigger news.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Again, the vast majority of Americans are 10000x more concerned with their own lives than with whether or not some governor was treated unfairly.

It is not about a governor being treated unfairly. It is about the will of the people being overthrown after the fact.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I've heard that a heck of a lot more than the previous post which claimed that there are more Biden signs in their area. Was it this thread where someone posted the top three signs in their state:

1. Trump
2. Wood for sale
3. Biden

Here its this way

1) BLM

2) Trump/Biden probably equal-ish

3) For Rent

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