2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Vintage Collector]

Boy identifying as girls should not allowed to run girls track.

Boys identifying as girls should not share a shower room with my daughter.

And you are born male or female or hermaphrodite, which from what I hear does happen. Not gender x. Lol

If you need a unisex bathroom that is fine.

Other than that dress how you like, act as you wish, live you life the way you see fit and you should be entitiled to all of the liberties and restrictions every american is afforded. No more no less. That is my opinion.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

I'm not going to hammer people for not understanding transgender Americans, it's not an easy thing to wrap your brain around. The 'T' in LBGTQ+ is typically the most confusing.

One thing however, to say that a transgender woman has the "mind of a man" would be incorrect.

Also, the idea that cisgender men are somehow disguising themselves to get into women's restrooms masquerading as women en masse is incorrect.

(Note: I'm fully aware that some of you will chase down anecdotes to counter the above, but it's folly. Move on.)

The old anecdotal liberal go to.
Fine, the next time someone brings up something to the effect of "when someone close to you dies of covid" argument, I'll patiently wait for you to jump in with your "move on" response.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

To answer your questions in the first paragraph, then they would know what it's like to be a Trump supporter.

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Thanks for the chuckle.

It's funny because it's probably true in some sense. It's also sad, and I feel guilty for thinking it's funny.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Are you old enough to remember trough urinals?

Disgusting.

We evolved. We will continue to do so.

The LGBTQ statement that I feel differently than Trump has been backed up. Yes, he is anti-trans, simply by being pro-not trans.

If you want to disagree about whether I am pro or Trump is anti, I think we've gone full circle and there's nothing left to discuss without repeating ourselves.

I feel like somehow you or someone else will accuse me of skirting the issue now. Isn't that the next move of the playbook? Have at it. I'll just say "see above".

It's time to move on to another topic. Shall we?

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Seriously?
Given the choice at the concert, ballgame or any other largely populated venue and I'll take that disgusting trough over the 45 minute line any and every day of the week.
So would most men I would imagine.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Vintage Collector

Boy identifying as girls should not allowed to run girls track.

Boys identifying as girls should not share a shower room with my daughter.

And you are born male or female or hermaphrodite, which from what I hear does happen. Not gender x. Lol

If you need a unisex bathroom that is fine.

Other than that dress how you like, act as you wish, live you life the way you see fit and you should be entitiled to all of the liberties and restrictions every american is afforded. No more no less. That is my opinion.

What about girls identifying as boys and taking testosterone? Which track team should they be on? (I have no idea, lol)

Nobody should share a shower with your daughter...until she's an adult and gives consent.

I think there are like 1000 different types of hermaphrodite (intersex is the proper term, btw). Some have this but not that, some have this and that, some have these, those, and the other, some have these hormones, ovaries but not that, etc. It's not as simple as genitals.

I pretty much agree though. Then again, idk.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Seriously?
Given the choice at the concert, ballgame or any other largely populated venue and I'll take that disgusting trough over the 45 minute line any and every day of the week.
So would most men I would imagine.

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Ewww.

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[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by Boo

To be clear, you want to suppress free speech?

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Free speech is already suppressed in many ways.

I would like to see anti-bullying or anti-hate crime legislation, though I think we already have that and I'd leave that to Constitutional experts to hammer out.

What do you propose, if anything?

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I agree with the sentiment in this, but it seems like one of those things that sounds/feels good in theory, but actually developing and enforcing policy around it would be a nightmare with a high potential of a slippery slope and potential government overreach.

It goes back to a question I posed in this thread a week or two ago; as it seems our current society has skewed/blurred the difference between having legitimate criticism towards something and having a phobia or being "phobic" towards it.

If someone openly criticizes my religious beliefs or makes fun of my sexual preferences, should they be subject to some type of criminal punishment? What if my interpretation of a legitimate criticism is seen as a personal attack that affects my mental health? Are we, as a society, willing to put an end to dialogue on certain subjects because it has the potential of causing some type of emotional distress? Edit* - What about satire and comedic skits/shows/performances that make fun of protected areas... are they gone for good?

Again, I think the effort is a noble one and think we should all offer common courtesy to one another as we are engaging with each other, especially with touchy subjects. However, I suppose I feel that we may end up doing more harm than good by trying to be overly protective.

Just my thoughts that aren't worth anything more than the internet ink it used to type them

[Astros19]

This made me chuckle.

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States President Barack Obama for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people"


Derp. Great take Boonut.

Trump’s campaign promises: Mexican wall and brining two minor, non-threatening countries to recognize Israel.

Mission complete....well, sort of.

Originally Posted by Astros19

The old anecdotal liberal go to.
Fine, the next time someone brings up something to the effect of "when someone close to you dies of covid" argument, I'll patiently wait for you to jump in with your "move on" response.

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To be fair, we probably have 250,000 + more people that have died of Covid than men dressing as women to be predators in the women's restroom.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by cnewby

definitely ok to grab them by the pansy.

Rough night for you - hope you are still around today.

Would you like to elaborate?

[Ray27Ray52]

Many of us are old enough to remember when being gay was cause for being ostracized and shunned from the rest of the world. It's basically why the term "in the closet" was invented. Now being gay is cause for celebration and is the cool hip thing. The pendulum has swung to the other side just like everything else it seems in this world. Neither side is right imo.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Would you like to elaborate?

You're back! Way to not be a pansy!

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You're back! Way to not be a pansy!

Nice answer...still see you cant successfully answer a question.

Thanks for sharing..

Nice Avatar

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Many of us are old enough to remember when being gay was cause for being ostracized and shunned from the rest of the world. It's basically why the term "in the closet" was invented. Now being gay is cause for celebration and is the cool hip thing. The pendulum has swung to the other side just like everything else it seems in this world. Neither side is right imo.

Cool & hip?
You obviously have zero gay friends....

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Nice answer...still see you cant successfully answer a question.

Thanks for sharing..

Nice Avatar

You ask too many questions- haven't earned any answers yet.

Does that make me a racist?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Cool & hip?
You obviously have zero gay friends....

So what if I do or don't? It's irrelevant.

I'm talking in terms of popular culture. There is absolutely no denying that being gay is celebrated amongst popular culture with a vengeance.

I can put my biases aside. Can you?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

To be fair, we probably have 250,000 + more people that have died of Covid than men dressing as women to be predators in the women's restroom.

Get back to me when someone knows all 250,000 of them.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

So what if I do or don't? It's irrelevant.



I'm talking in terms of popular culture. There is absolutely no denying that being gay is celebrated amongst popular culture with a vengeance.



I can put my biases aside. Can you?

Yeah, someone will deny it. I'm not sure who or why, but right now there are people trying to poke holes in it.

It seems obvious to me too. I'm guessing someone is about to tell you how many apples are in their refrigerator though. We'll see.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Umm, yeah. Not so much.

There are dozens of examples in the link I posted about Trump's policies. They're not all about bsthrooms, lol. Honestly, I doubt bathrooms is even in the top 5 issues for transpeople. They want workplace protections, fair housing, marriage rights, etc.

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All stuff any reasonable person is on board with. So why the hang up on bathrooms? Letting a transgender in the same bathroom as my daughter is non negotiable. I don’t care what the work around is. A third bathroom category, completely individual bathrooms, unisex bathrooms with far more security/privacy in the individual stalls... whatever. Make em all unisex and I’ll hang out in there while my daughter goes potty. Leaving everything as is and letting former men in the bathroom with my daughter isnt happening. Too bad so sad. The safety of my children is more important to me than someone’s feelings.

The statistically low probability of a trans attacking my daughter in the bathroom doesn’t change my mind. What’s the statistical probability of a black man being shot by a cop? And yet libs ain’t say a peep about statistical probability then. One life is too many amirite

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

I agree with the sentiment in this, but it seems like one of those things that sounds/feels good in theory, but actually developing and enforcing policy around it would be a nightmare with a high potential of a slippery slope and potential government overreach.

It goes back to a question I posed in this thread a week or two ago; as it seems our current society has skewed/blurred the difference between having legitimate criticism towards something and having a phobia or being "phobic" towards it.

If someone openly criticizes my religious beliefs or makes fun of my sexual preferences, should they be subject to some type of criminal punishment? What if my interpretation of a legitimate criticism is seen as a personal attack that affects my mental health? Are we, as a society, willing to put an end to dialogue on certain subjects because it has the potential of causing some type of emotional distress? Edit* - What about satire and comedic skits/shows/performances that make fun of protected areas... are they gone for good?

Again, I think the effort is a noble one and think we should all offer common courtesy to one another as we are engaging with each other, especially with touchy subjects. However, I suppose I feel that we may end up doing more harm than good by trying to be overly protective.

Just my thoughts that aren't worth anything more than the internet ink it used to type them

I appreciate the intelligent, thought out response. You make good points.

I'd like to think that we could define a line where criticism or even mockery cross over into harassment, bullying, stalking, etc. It just gets so complex though, so idk. You're right about the slippery slope, for sure.

I haven't taken the time to research what's already on the books in this regard. I imagine it is inadequate though, to one side or the other, since this issue seems to be evolving rapidly when compared to many others.

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[BTownCards]

Here you go from your own warm and fuzzy website...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1135141

Vengeance, kills more people POC than police.

Can’t you see schools and woke capitol don’t care about your children, why would they promote something that is killing your son or daughter ?

Just think.

This is SUICIDE.

Not trans murder or anything like that.

This isn’t from bullying, it’s from realizing after losing their families or their boyfriend or girlfriend, they have nothing. Pushing people to sexually exploit themselves or create an entire being because you are attracted to a different or same sex person isn’t healthy.

That’s personal information and shouldn’t be drug through the streets.

The same reason you hate womanizing TRUMP is the same behavior you are advocating for but just for some over aggressive insecure gay people and their desire to constantly throw it everyone’s face.


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[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

All stuff any reasonable person is on board with. So why the hang up on bathrooms? Letting a transgender in the same bathroom as my daughter is non negotiable. I don’t care what the work around is. A third bathroom category, completely individual bathrooms, unisex bathrooms with far more security/privacy in the individual stalls... whatever. Make em all unisex and I’ll hang out in there while my daughter goes potty. Leaving everything as is and letting former men in the bathroom with my daughter isnt happening. Too bad so sad. The safety of my children is more important to me than someone’s feelings.

The statistically low probability of a trans attacking my daughter in the bathroom doesn’t change my mind. What’s the statistical probability of a black man being shot by a cop? And yet libs ain’t say a peep about statistical probability then. One life is too many amirite

Boom.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You ask too many questions- haven't earned any answers yet.

Does that make me a racist?

Stand by......

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

my money is still on you for next ban. surprised it hasn't happened actually

So you openly admit to being part of a ban-bounty group that is operating in this thread and wagering real money, eh? Nice.

Make it easy on yourself and name the other members who are participating in this with you, which bounties have been paid out thus far to which members for "getting" which members, and in what amounts.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

All stuff any reasonable person is on board with. So why the hang up on bathrooms? Letting a transgender in the same bathroom as my daughter is non negotiable. I don’t care what the work around is. A third bathroom category, completely individual bathrooms, unisex bathrooms with far more security/privacy in the individual stalls... whatever. Make em all unisex and I’ll hang out in there while my daughter goes potty. Leaving everything as is and letting former men in the bathroom with my daughter isnt happening. Too bad so sad. The safety of my children is more important to me than someone’s feelings.

The statistically low probability of a trans attacking my daughter in the bathroom doesn’t change my mind. What’s the statistical probability of a black man being shot by a cop? And yet libs ain’t say a peep about statistical probability then. One life is too many amirite

Well said and is basic common sense which unfortunately today people confuse with bigotry or hate.

Love it, stay normal and decent my man.

God bless


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