2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Onions]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Haven't voted yet. I will vote early but only up to a week before the election as then I can put the ballot in the machine myself rather than sealing it in an official envelope at city hall. Was originally going to vote by mail but we already know Trump is making contingency plans to steal the election. Trump is not going to have my vote overturned.

And yes he is a dictator. He operates with no rules and no restrictions. He is using the DOJ as a weapon against democrats and anyone he doesn't like. He called on the DOJ to drop charges against Republicans because ongoing investigations hurt their election chances. He illegally declared an emergency to override Congress when they wouldn't give him funding for his wall. He withheld federal funds to attempt to force a foreign entity to investigate the family of his rival. He attempts to withhold money from Democratic areas because they didn't vote for him. I can go on and on and on.

You have no idea what a dictator is. Wow.

I had no idea how bad off we are.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

When you say ‘a lot were wrongfully accused,’ what do you mean by it?

Is there some data that backs the assertion that the policy under the Obama admin was a net negative, or at least that the backlash was significant enough to warrant the specific reform?
I don’t doubt there were some who were wrongly accused, but I’m skeptical this was a more significant issue than the actual instances of assault that were being reported.

Of note, I’m not particularly sensitive to anecdotal evidence in either direction.

It's a fair argument but my philosophy is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Once we change our mindset, we get into murky water. While I don't know if this was under Obama or Trump, they are now allowing the victim to have hearings without the perpetrator in the room. I think this (hopefully) will increase victims to come out and feel safe. Also schools have exact protocols to follow and are required by law to have the appropriate staff. I can't stress how much schools put into this. Again, I don't know who deserves more the credit, Obama or Trump, but I do know (at least for me) my campus feels a lot safer.

In regards to anecdotal, these always are the most unfortunate situations because without proof someone will ultimately be punished. Honesty, I don't know what's worse, someone wrongly convicted or someone who doesn't get justice. All I can hope for is a fair trial and I believe we're closer to that then we were.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Because you made your decision before you have even read it depending on the poster. Like I said to you last month....you’re (<—-just for granmar cop cneedy) close minded. Unless its sports related.

..

Yes drink...probably less of a douchebag when you do...

Racist
Racist

Now your drunk....

Lol..

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Haven't voted yet. I will vote early but only up to a week before the election as then I can put the ballot in the machine myself rather than sealing it in an official envelope at city hall. Was originally going to vote by mail but we already know Trump is making contingency plans to steal the election. Trump is not going to have my vote overturned.

And yes he is a dictator. He operates with no rules and no restrictions. He is using the DOJ as a weapon against democrats and anyone he doesn't like. He called on the DOJ to drop charges against Republicans because ongoing investigations hurt their election chances. He illegally declared an emergency to override Congress when they wouldn't give him funding for his wall. He withheld federal funds to attempt to force a foreign entity to investigate the family of his rival. He attempts to withhold money from Democratic areas because they didn't vote for him. I can go on and on and on.

This post was 100% accurate up until the second "but" in the first paragraph. Then it was 100% inaccurate.

Haven't voted yet.
I will vote early.
I can put the ballot in the machine myself.
Was originally going to vote by mail.

You went 4/4 here. But then the last 13 statements ... all false. A shame, you were batting 1.000!

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Dammit rman. By seconds!

2 peas in a pod....




Sign the petition you little rascals!!


https://www.republicansagainsttrump.com/petition

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I have no idea what that quote is supposed to indicate, but this Yale news article presents evidence that the policies already in place were having a markedly positive effect on the schools climate.

https://news.yale.edu/2019/10/15/yal...and-misconduct

*(Except for the students expelled without recourse)

The quote notes that if you believe all of the times a sexual assualt was reported on campus at Yale, that university is 10x more dangerous than the city of New Haven.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

2 peas in a pod....




Sign the petition you little rascals!!


https://www.republicansagainsttrump.com/petition

Trump is not a dictator.

No U.S. President could possibly be a dictator.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by rman112

Trump is not a dictator.

No U.S. President could possibly be a dictator.

I agree....

Sign the petition

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

I agree....

Sign the petition

I'll get to that.

[Vintage Collector]

Originally Posted by mike1498

First off, your vote won't matter. The only red county was Monmouth County in 2016 if I remember correctly. While I agree it's stupid, it's really not a big deal at all. I don't know why people freak out about this. They were also having problems with people to work at the polls (since most were older volunteers).

Hopefully my vote will count if it doesn't end up in a dumpster. My candidate this time may just not have enough votes to win NJ but mine should still count.

Part of the problem in NJ is because people blindly vote one way forever. I have voted both Democrat and Republican in my life depending who I felt was better for my family and my country at the time so your statement is ignorant.

It is not about the person for whom the vote is being cast but the fact that my local government is preventing people from voting in person "to protect us". that is the biggest disgrace. It is a smack in the face and does open the door for voter fraud whether your narrow mind can see it or not.

Win or lose. I do not need governor murphy making decisions for me and my family and if you think that is okay. You are sad and will be on the wrong side of history and you think differently than what our country really should strive for.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

https://www.republicansagainsttrump.com/petition

Cool link and site. Sadly, no one ever sees it.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

If you make claims, refuse to back them up when challenged, an instead try and end the conversation .. You either can't or won't back up said claims.



No one has to agree. It's not even about respect or disrespect. But it's definitely poor form, regardless of how anyone feels about each other.

Okay. Sure.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but sure.

Trump 2020. You do you. Lol.

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[Onions]

Originally Posted by rman112

Trump is not a dictator.

No U.S. President could possibly be a dictator.

Unless you want to believe it to reinforce your hate for Trump. I have seen a lot of stupid in this thread but today might take the cake. It's almost as if they see the election slipping away from them.

Too bad Heelie is not here to spread more stupid.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Onions

Unless you want to believe it to reinforce your hate for Trump. I have seen a lot of stupid in this thread but today might take the cake. It's almost as if they see the election slipping away from them.



Too bad Heelie is not here to spread more stupid.

Backatcha.

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[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by Onions

Unless you want to believe it to reinforce your hate for Trump. I have seen a lot of stupid in this thread but today might take the cake. It's almost as if they see the election slipping away from them.

Too bad Heelie is not here to spread more stupid.

The election isn't slipping away, I have stated for months I felt Trump was still going to win. Have no faith in the American people at this point. I was getting slightly encouraged with the polls right around the time Trump had Covid but I wasn't getting my hopes up. With what has been reported over the last week I am getting more and more confident Trump is going to win again.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

The election isn't slipping away, I have stated for months I felt Trump was still going to win. Have no faith in the American people at this point. I was getting slightly encouraged with the polls right around the time Trump had Covid but I wasn't getting my hopes up. With what has been reported over the last week I am getting more and more confident Trump is going to win again.

Hopefully you are right.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

The election isn't slipping away, I have stated for months I felt Trump was still going to win. Have no faith in the American people at this point. I was getting slightly encouraged with the polls right around the time Trump had Covid but I wasn't getting my hopes up. With what has been reported over the last week I am getting more and more confident Trump is going to win again.

This has always been the key to Trumps victory. It's not really about changing minds ... it's about getting your people out to vote.

If the trend remains ... he will win. But we won't know until the 3rd.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by Onions

Hopefully you are right.

Hoping that maybe I am just so disappointed in America that I am expecting the worst but that Biden actually wins. But then again even if he does win we already know Trump is going to dispute the elections results and the Supreme Court will side with him give he will have 3 lackeys on the court.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Okay. Sure.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but sure.

Trump 2020. You do you. Lol.

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Now you're being blatantly disingenuous.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

Now you're being blatantly disingenuous.

Backatcha

What claims weren't backed up?

Why continue a conversation with a person who attacks without thought?

You seem to be taking the same route. Am I wrong? I am trying to give you the benefit of doubt.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This has always been the key to Trumps victory. It's not really about changing minds ... it's about getting your people out to vote.

If the trend remains ... he will win. But we won't know until the 3rd.

In 2016, these were the registration #'s in NC

Democrat - 2,725,054
Republican - 2,079,619

In 2020, these are the registration #'s in NC

Democrat - 2,607,337
Republican - 2,208,384

So what was a gap of around 650,000 voters is now a gap of only 400,000. Anything similar to the turnout in '16 where Dems came out at 68% an Republicans at 75% and Trump wins going away. I expect the numbers to converge a bit but even if it's 70% blue and 73% Red, Trump still likely wins.

Blue needs to turn out more voters, bottom line. We'll see.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

It's a fair argument but my philosophy is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Once we change our mindset, we get into murky water. While I don't know if this was under Obama or Trump, they are now allowing the victim to have hearings without the perpetrator in the room. I think this (hopefully) will increase victims to come out and feel safe. Also schools have exact protocols to follow and are required by law to have the appropriate staff. I can't stress how much schools put into this. Again, I don't know who deserves more the credit, Obama or Trump, but I do know (at least for me) my campus feels a lot safer.

In regards to anecdotal, these always are the most unfortunate situations because without proof someone will ultimately be punished. Honesty, I don't know what's worse, someone wrongly convicted or someone who doesn't get justice. All I can hope for is a fair trial and I believe we're closer to that then we were.

I understand where you’re coming from and yeah it’s unfortunate that some have been wrongfully punished for actions they didn’t take. I tend to lean in the direction that the vast majority of accusals are justified in some form and that recent dialogues on appropriate sexual conduct are good for the culture, but that the pendulum can trend in the wrong direction if left unchecked.

It’s positive that both campuses and society as a whole are taking steps to curb misconduct and assault instances while now recognizing the shortcomings of punishment without due process and the court of public opinion. Both were the backlash to a historically patriarchal dynamic in sexual relations between men and women. Young people seem to understand more easily than those in past generations.

The issue I take with some folks is when they’re more concerned with instances of wrongful accusal than the overwhelming number of instances of either justified accusal, or barriers to just accusal.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Backatcha

What claims weren't backed up?

Why continue a conversation with a person who attacks without thought?

You seem to be taking the same route. Am I wrong? I am trying to give you the benefit of doubt.

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Yes, you are wrong.

I'm not going to go back and find the posts. They are the 2 that you chose to try and end the conversation abruptly instead of backing up what you had said, when challenged.

Your problem seems to be with the poster personally than the content of the posts. I think you should be able to look past the person you don't like if there is valid information that you could choose to post instead. You're choosing 'poster' over 'post'.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

In 2016, these were the registration #'s in NC

Democrat - 2,725,054
Republican - 2,079,619

In 2020, these are the registration #'s in NC

Democrat - 2,607,337
Republican - 2,208,384

So what was a gap of around 650,000 voters is now a gap of only 400,000. Anything similar to the turnout in '16 where Dems came out at 68% an Republicans at 75% and Trump wins going away. I expect the numbers to converge a bit but even if it's 70% blue and 73% Red, Trump still likely wins.

Blue needs to turn out more voters, bottom line. We'll see.

And one more. Current turnout right now is

Dem - 48.18%
Rep - 42.09%

This will tighten everyday up to election day, and then who shows up on the 3rd is what will matter.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

And one more. Current turnout right now is

Dem - 48.18%
Rep - 42.09%

This will tighten everyday up to election day, and then who shows up on the 3rd is what will matter.

Other states are more crucial flips for blue. Just my view as of today, although I’ll likely dive more into the numbers next week.
I’m enjoying the stat breakdowns though, despite us looking for different outcomes