2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Specfically, under Obama, students could be expelled, without trial, cause or evidence for the mere allegation of sexual misconduct on campus. Never allowed to confront their accuser, never allowed to hire an attorney and have a hearing. Just gone.

That has changed under Devos. She reinstated student rights so that every accusation must include a hearing, present evidence etc. Here's a nice opinion article from the NYT about what was done to bring some sanity back on campus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/o...-feminist.html

I can’t pull up that NYT opinion piece (no paid sub), so I can’t formulate an opinion on it.

This search result article from 2017 did not convince me this was much of an issue prior to the Devos reform. From review of the Devos reform, it seems to potentially create more barriers for assault victims to be scrutinized and renewed opportunities for perps to avoid responsibility on campus, by and large.
Just my initial read of the situation.
Of course each circumstance is unique and will continue to be an issue of discussion in the country moving forward.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...440_story.html

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Why are you still addressing me? Your services are no longer desired. Thank you.

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Well, when you find that anti immigration policy; you let me know. Seems like what you believe is simply a product of your imagination.

That's unfortunate. Reality can be just as awesome too. Even for liberals!

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Why are you still addressing me? Your services are no longer desired. Thank you.

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Walk away today, good sports on and these pitchforks will be dull in the am.
They think they know you...and everyone. Trumpitis is a disease unto itself...closet racists with zero empathy for the simple man.

Log out and breathe...there will be nobody for them to argue with and they will start picking off each other.

11/4 there will be no leg for a single Trumper...he will probably quit on 11/30

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Walk away today, good sports on and these pitchforks will be dull in the am.
They think they know you...and everyone. Trumpitis is a disease unto itself...closet racists with zero empathy for the simple man.

Log out and breathe...there will be nobody for them to argue with and they will start picking off each other.

11/4 there will be no leg for a single Trumper...he will probably quit on 11/30

"they think they know you .... and everyone"

"Now let me tell you how much I know them"

LOL.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Walk away today, good sports on and these pitchforks will be dull in the am.
They think they know you...and everyone. Trumpitis is a disease unto itself...closet racists with zero empathy for the simple man.

Log out and breathe...there will be nobody for them to argue with and they will start picking off each other.

11/4 there will be no leg for a single Trumper...he will probably quit on 11/30

Why not just back up the points that were made instead of trying to end the conversation (without doing so) twice?

[rman112]

'Racist' used.

Drink.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rman112

'Racist' used.

Drink.

Nah, he's probably right. I certainly don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle. Why I moved to Connecticut.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

"When 60 Minutes and Leslie Stahl are too tough for you, you ain't all that tough. If you gotta walk outta a 60 Minutes interview, then you aren't gonna stand up to a dictator" -President Obama

Lol. His record on foreign relations has been recognized around the world. Give me a break. He has done more than any other president in the past 40 years in terms of that.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Any guesses on voter turnout this election? We were over 55% in 2016 at 55.5% of population voting. I am guessing we hit 60% this election. Just seems like more people than ever taking an interest in politics. I personally know a handful of friends and family that are voting for the first time. All voting for Trump which is a good sign. But I know passion for change and hate for Trump is strong from the left as well so could be record numbers from either side.

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Unfortunately I have been seeing more turnout for the Republicans lately and have a feeling that Trump is going to squeeze this out again. Have been seeing numerous articles predicting a Trump win. Can't believe the amount of people that love voting for a dictator just because the economy is good. Sickening

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I can’t pull up that NYT opinion piece (no paid sub), so I can’t formulate an opinion on it.

This search result article from 2017 did not convince me this was much of an issue prior to the Devos reform. From review of the Devos reform, it seems to potentially create more barriers for assault victims to be scrutinized and renewed opportunities for perps to avoid responsibility on campus, by and large.
Just my initial read of the situation.
Of course each circumstance is unique and will continue to be an issue of discussion in the country moving forward.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...440_story.html

I’ll chime in a little because as soon as Chapman’s brought this up I actually didn’t know Trump added onto this. I read a little into and I agree it may make it a little harder for the perpetrator to be caught, Chapman’s is right a lot were wrongfully accused. What I will say is a super plus is that it’s actually one of the biggest things enforced (at least on my campus). Every teacher is required to put this on their syllabus. If a teacher is told any information they are required to report it. I can’t say I know the laws under the Obama administration but from what I read this is a more concise protocol. For what it’s worth, they must be really strict on it because it’s a big deal on campus. Schools actually required by law to have some type of professional to speak with any victims who says they need one. Hearings also can be requested to not be done in the same room as the perpetrator now. The jist I got from reading it was trying to make it innocent until proven guilty but providing a lot of help for victims who need it.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Unfortunately I have been seeing more turnout for the Republicans lately and have a feeling that Trump is going to squeeze this out again. Have been seeing numerous articles predicting a Trump win. Can't believe the amount of people that love voting for a dictator just because the economy is good. Sickening

Dictator.

Do you truly mean that in the literal sense of the word?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Unfortunately I have been seeing more turnout for the Republicans lately and have a feeling that Trump is going to squeeze this out again. Have been seeing numerous articles predicting a Trump win. Can't believe the amount of people that love voting for a dictator just because the economy is good. Sickening

Dictator.

Another example of people not using words properly. Hope you voted in person; Trump was this close to stealing the election through the USPS!

[NeedChapmans]

Dammit rman. By seconds!

[jarrodsalas]

https://youtu.be/xYAcpS_ORqE


They don’t have a prayer. 😂 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Dammit rman. By seconds!

This is after a long conversation earlier about Trump's lack of authority vs. state rights.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Unfortunately I have been seeing more turnout for the Republicans lately and have a feeling that Trump is going to squeeze this out again. Have been seeing numerous articles predicting a Trump win. Can't believe the amount of people that love voting for a dictator just because the economy is good. Sickening

The left loves making decisions for you...

I’ll let you think about that for a minute.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I’ll chime in a little because as soon as Chapman’s brought this up I actually didn’t know Trump added onto this. I read a little into and I agree it may make it a little harder for the perpetrator to be caught, Chapman’s is right a lot were wrongfully accused. What I will say is a super plus is that it’s actually one of the biggest things enforced (at least on my campus). Every teacher is required to put this on their syllabus. If a teacher is told any information they are required to report it. I can’t say I know the laws under the Obama administration but from what I read this is a more concise protocol. For what it’s worth, they must be really strict on it because it’s a big deal on campus. Schools actually required by law to have some type of professional to speak with any victims who says they need one. Hearings also can be requested to not be done in the same room as the perpetrator now. The jist I got from reading it was trying to make it innocent until proven guilty but providing a lot of help for victims who need it.

Some of the many stories.

https://www.facecampusequality.org/our-stories

There was some excellent pieces in Rolling Stone and Vanity Fair over the years as well; stories you couldn't believe. Having children and imagining what it would be like to have them ruined for something, at best, they MAY have done w/o evidence, trial or hearing is enraging.

Ensuring that everyone in the process has rights is a good move.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I’ll chime in a little because as soon as Chapman’s brought this up I actually didn’t know Trump added onto this. I read a little into and I agree it may make it a little harder for the perpetrator to be caught, Chapman’s is right a lot were wrongfully accused. What I will say is a super plus is that it’s actually one of the biggest things enforced (at least on my campus). Every teacher is required to put this on their syllabus. If a teacher is told any information they are required to report it. I can’t say I know the laws under the Obama administration but from what I read this is a more concise protocol. For what it’s worth, they must be really strict on it because it’s a big deal on campus.

When you say ‘a lot were wrongfully accused,’ what do you mean by it?

Is there some data that backs the assertion that the policy under the Obama admin was a net negative, or at least that the backlash was significant enough to warrant the specific reform?
I don’t doubt there were some who were wrongly accused, but I’m skeptical this was a more significant issue than the actual instances of assault that were being reported.

Of note, I’m not particularly sensitive to anecdotal evidence in either direction.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

C'mon..

Lol. That individual is not interested in conversing with people like me. That's clear enough, no?

NC is probably a decent enough person, idk. But the constant attacks and lack of actual discussion are just not entertaining.

You and I disagree a lot, but you seem to be respectful. I hope I've returned the favor. If not, I am truly sorry and I shall chastise myself. My interactions with NC are not as respectful as my interactions with you.

I am happy to continue our conversations, if you wish. But please do not assume I feel that way with everyone.

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[NeedChapmans]

"In 2011, Yale University reported thirteen allegations of sexual assault. All thirteen were filed under an informal complaint process in which the accused student does not have the right to cross-examine his accuser or present evidence of his innocence. None of the complainants ever went to the police or ever received any sort of medical exam. Under this procedure, a student can press charges against another student for behaving in a way that causes her to worry. Yale’s guidelines make the extraordinary claim that the goal of the disciplinary process is “to achieve a resolution that is desired by the complainant.” If you accept Yale University’s data, you are ten times more likely to be sexually assaulted on the Yale University campus than in the city of New Haven, one of America’s most violent cities."

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/07/13369/

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

"they think they know you .... and everyone"

"Now let me tell you how much I know them"

LOL.

Any idiot can read garbage and figure out which color it represents.

Originally Posted by rman112

Why not just back up the points that were made instead of trying to end the conversation (without doing so) twice?

Because you made your decision before you have even read it depending on the poster. Like I said to you last month....you’re (<—-just for granmar cop cneedy) close minded. Unless its sports related.

Originally Posted by rman112

'Racist' used.

Drink.

Yes drink...probably less of a douchebag when you do...

Racist
Racist

Now your drunk....

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Nah, he's probably right. I certainly don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle. Why I moved to Connecticut.

Yep....just remind your kids that you support a man that degrades women and its ok to grab them in the P if your famous. Great example.....

I’ll take my lumps...what you got tonight? Any bets on my ban from this thread? Over/under 11/3....?
What are the rules for side bets on the election results?

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Dictator.

Another example of people not using words properly. Hope you voted in person; Trump was this close to stealing the election through the USPS!

Haven't voted yet. I will vote early but only up to a week before the election as then I can put the ballot in the machine myself rather than sealing it in an official envelope at city hall. Was originally going to vote by mail but we already know Trump is making contingency plans to steal the election. Trump is not going to have my vote overturned.

And yes he is a dictator. He operates with no rules and no restrictions. He is using the DOJ as a weapon against democrats and anyone he doesn't like. He called on the DOJ to drop charges against Republicans because ongoing investigations hurt their election chances. He illegally declared an emergency to override Congress when they wouldn't give him funding for his wall. He withheld federal funds to attempt to force a foreign entity to investigate the family of his rival. He attempts to withhold money from Democratic areas because they didn't vote for him. I can go on and on and on.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

The left loves making decisions for you...

I’ll let you think about that for a minute.

I have no idea what this means

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Lol. That individual is not interested in conversing with people like me. That's clear enough, no?

NC is probably a decent enough person, idk. But the constant attacks and lack of actual discussion are just not entertaining.

You and I disagree a lot, but you seem to be respectful. I hope I've returned the favor. If not, I am truly sorry and I shall chastise myself. My interactions with NC are not as respectful as my interactions with you.

I am happy to continue our conversations, if you wish. But please do not assume I feel that way with everyone.

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If you make claims, refuse to back them up when challenged, an instead try and end the conversation .. You either can't or won't back up said claims.

No one has to agree. It's not even about respect or disrespect. But it's definitely poor form, regardless of how anyone feels about each other.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

"In 2011, Yale University reported thirteen allegations of sexual assault. All thirteen were filed under an informal complaint process in which the accused student does not have the right to cross-examine his accuser or present evidence of his innocence. None of the complainants ever went to the police or ever received any sort of medical exam. Under this procedure, a student can press charges against another student for behaving in a way that causes her to worry. Yale’s guidelines make the extraordinary claim that the goal of the disciplinary process is “to achieve a resolution that is desired by the complainant.” If you accept Yale University’s data, you are ten times more likely to be sexually assaulted on the Yale University campus than in the city of New Haven, one of America’s most violent cities."

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/07/13369/

I have no idea what that quote is supposed to indicate, but this Yale news article presents evidence that the policies already in place were having a markedly positive effect on the schools climate.

https://news.yale.edu/2019/10/15/yal...and-misconduct