2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 2114

JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

So we agree that there is a limit to what a President can do, and that no strategy, no matter how good, can actually be enforced. Yes?

No. We do not.

There are ways to enforce things.

ETA: limits, yes. Presidents have limits.

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

No. We do not.

There are ways to enforce things.

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Says the "republican"

mike1498 · 10-25-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Maybe so. He could've been a douche, lol. Idk. Like I said earlier, he wasn't great because he always was great. He was great because he did great things.

He succeeded in making an agreement between 13 states that didn't agree on a darn thing. He compromised, wrote, rewrote...he did exactly what people are saying can't be done. He got 13 states to form a union. And he wasn't even president at the time. He was just some guy, lol.

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I don't think you understand his philosophy. If he felt that way we probably would have more rules in the constitution. He believed in states rights

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He felt there were basic rights of every human (which he deprived to blacks) but he felt A LOT of things should be states rights not the central government.

Why do you think there is nothing in the constitution that he wrote up about things like a centralized currency or banking system?

If you like it or not, his handling of COVID would be a lot closer to Trump without the 24/7 twitter feed.

JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Says the "republican"

Yes.

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JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

I don't think you understand his philosophy. If he felt that way we probably would have more rules in the constitution. He believed in states rights

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He felt there were basic rights of every human (which he deprived to blacks) but he felt A LOT of things should be states rights not the central government.

If you like it or not, his handling would be a lot closer to Trump without the 24/7 twitter feed.

His philosophy was irrelevant. 13 states wouldn't have ratified his philosophy. So he wrote stuff he disagreed with in order to get it done.

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oldgoldy97 · 10-25-2020, 05:27 PM

Comply or turn in your Red card.

rman112 · 10-25-2020, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

No. We do not.

There are ways to enforce things.

ETA: limits, yes. Presidents have limits.

What is the issue? Of course Presidents have limits. It's how things work.

So you're saying he should've gotten all 50 governors together? That that was a legitimately realistic scenario of agreement? Even though the President's limits stop at state rights?

Astros19 · 10-25-2020, 05:29 PM

Anyone care to guess how many more countries will sign peace deals with Israel?
Just saying.

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Onions · 10-25-2020, 05:29 PM

The best part of watching this discussion is that Trump could not create and enforce a national plan (no matter how brilliant it may be) to magically eradicate a virus, even on the state level no one can agree. You have rural areas begging their governors to apply the mandates differently within the same state.

You guys think you could get every individual in the country to fall in line on a national standard? Thanks for the chuckle.

JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:30 PM

Lincoln is the only president that got stuff done by force. Every other president got it done without trampling states' rights, without violating the Constitution. How do you suppose that happened?

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Astros19 · 10-25-2020, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Onions

The best part of watching this discussion is that Trump could not create and enforce a national plan (no matter how brilliant it may be) to magically eradicate a virus, even on the state level no one can agree. You have rural areas begging their governors to apply the mandates differently within the same state.

You guys think you could get every individual in the country to fall in line on a national standard? Thanks for the chuckle.

Some of us are realistic, others not so much.

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JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Onions

The best part of watching this discussion is that Trump could not create and enforce a national plan (no matter how brilliant it may be) to magically eradicate a virus, even on the state level no one can agree. You have rural areas begging their governors to apply the mandates differently within the same state.

You guys think you could get every individual in the country to fall in line on a national standard? Thanks for the chuckle.

You are correct. Trump could not. He's not good enough.

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oldgoldy97 · 10-25-2020, 05:32 PM

Someone from this thread should have told Trump not to waste his time

https://www.npr.org/2017/02/27/51756...-in-washington

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48OU8SlOZTQ

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Onions

The best part of watching this discussion is that Trump could not create and enforce a national plan (no matter how brilliant it may be) to magically eradicate a virus, even on the state level no one can agree. You have rural areas begging their governors to apply the mandates differently within the same state.

You guys think you could get every individual in the country to fall in line on a national standard? Thanks for the chuckle.

Trumps power is "absolute" remember? All the states just said yep.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...um/2987065001/

LOL.

JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:34 PM

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Some of us are realistic, others not so much.

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FDR did. Pretty much. So did many others.

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NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 05:34 PM

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FDR did. Pretty much. So did many others.

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Second worst president of all-time.

Holla!

Onions · 10-25-2020, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

You are correct. Trump could not. He's not good enough.

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No one could. You live in a fantasy world.

rman112 · 10-25-2020, 05:36 PM

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You are correct. Trump could not. He's not good enough.

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Lol. Let's just get the California coastal folks to agree to the same covid policies that the Midwestern farm folk also agree to. Seems realistic.

Astros19 · 10-25-2020, 05:36 PM

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FDR did. Pretty much. So did many others.

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FDR dealt with an unknown virus pandemic?
I must have been sick during those history classes.
You simply cannot compare one with the other. It's just not logical.

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JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:38 PM

You guys are right, I guess.

Our president is useless. He doesn't even have the authority to do anything about Covid. Thinking a president should lead us through a crisis is ridiculous. He should just go back to playing golf or something. He quite obviously has no responsibility or author to do anything at all concerning Covid.

I understand now.

So tell me, why does this election matter again?

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Onions · 10-25-2020, 05:38 PM

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FDR dealt with an unknown virus pandemic?
I must have been sick during those history classes.
You simply cannot compare one with the other. It's just not logical.

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Here is where the disconnect lies with JR

Boo · 10-25-2020, 05:38 PM

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Anyone care to guess how many more countries will sign peace deals with Israel?
Just saying.

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I said Friday, the Great Peacemaker

oldgoldy97 · 10-25-2020, 05:39 PM

Neither the UAE nor Bahrain is or ever has been at war with Israel, so the documents are not peace treaties in the formal sense. But until now, both Persian Gulf states had officially considered Israel to be illegitimate.
Arab states in the Persian Gulf have edged closer to Israel over the past decade, some with extensive but largely unpublicized ties, in response to a shared desire to blunt Iranian influence in the region

JustRachel · 10-25-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

FDR dealt with an unknown virus pandemic?
I must have been sick during those history classes.
You simply cannot compare one with the other. It's just not logical.

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Lol. Not only can I, I just did.

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Astros19 · 10-25-2020, 05:39 PM

Put FDR in today's world and political climate and see how much he gets done.
It's an apples to oranges comparison.

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View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
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10-25-2020, 05:27 PM	#52831
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 53,274	Comply or turn in your Red card. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

10-25-2020, 05:32 PM	#52838
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 53,274	Someone from this thread should have told Trump not to waste his time https://www.npr.org/2017/02/27/51756...-in-washington https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48OU8SlOZTQ __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

10-25-2020, 05:39 PM	#52848
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 53,274	Neither the UAE nor Bahrain is or ever has been at war with Israel, so the documents are not peace treaties in the formal sense. But until now, both Persian Gulf states had officially considered Israel to be illegitimate. Arab states in the Persian Gulf have edged closer to Israel over the past decade, some with extensive but largely unpublicized ties, in response to a shared desire to blunt Iranian influence in the region __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

10-25-2020, 05:29 PM	#52833
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	Anyone care to guess how many more countries will sign peace deals with Israel? Just saying. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

10-25-2020, 05:29 PM	#52834
Onions Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,230 onion99	The best part of watching this discussion is that Trump could not create and enforce a national plan (no matter how brilliant it may be) to magically eradicate a virus, even on the state level no one can agree. You have rural areas begging their governors to apply the mandates differently within the same state. You guys think you could get every individual in the country to fall in line on a national standard? Thanks for the chuckle.

10-25-2020, 05:30 PM	#52835
JustRachel Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 5,663	Lincoln is the only president that got stuff done by force. Every other president got it done without trampling states' rights, without violating the Constitution. How do you suppose that happened? Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

10-25-2020, 05:38 PM	#52845
JustRachel Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 5,663	You guys are right, I guess. Our president is useless. He doesn't even have the authority to do anything about Covid. Thinking a president should lead us through a crisis is ridiculous. He should just go back to playing golf or something. He quite obviously has no responsibility or author to do anything at all concerning Covid. I understand now. So tell me, why does this election matter again? Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

10-25-2020, 05:39 PM	#52850
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	Put FDR in today's world and political climate and see how much he gets done. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk