2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Aaron Burr was a catalyst to changing the way it was done. Burr later killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. I think we’ve moved on far enough that we don’t need duels anymore or the 12th Amendment.

Or maybe dueling is the way to go.

That isn't the reason. The bolded is in this article https://www.archives.gov/historical-...on%20of%201800.

The 1800s election was JA vs TJ. It was ratified in 1803. From my knowledge, JA is the only president to ever have the opposite party as a VP.

Hamilton was a Federalist, Burr was a Democratic Republican (Jefferson's party). But yes, they were both VPs just with beef.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

First paragraph = good
Second paragraph = 100% malarkey.

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I know you still think something can be done. Like country ....

Ohh that's right. Nothing can be done.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I know you still think something can be done. Like country ....



Ohh that's right. Nothing can be done.

I'm not sure if you're peddling fear here or if you are actually afraid of me.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Willing recession? Umm....

If we didn't shut anything down, we'd be looking at a lot of death, a lot of fear. How much? Idk, but more than now is a safe bet. That much fear and death would inevitably cause some sort of recession.

Whether we were going to experience a slowdown or not was never a question. It was a certainty no matter what we did. The question wasn't "if", it was "how bad".

The same is true of death. Not "if", but "how much".

If there was a perfect option, we would've had an easy decision. Life isn't like that though. Life sucks sometimes. We have to choose between imperfect options.

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Neil Ferguson, is that you?

No one knows what the outcome would have been if we treated this virus the same as every, other virus out there. However, if the media, "experts" and "leaders" spent time teaching us about the virus and not pushing fear, I'd be curious where we'd be, as well.

Sweden did virtually nothing, and their death rate per million is less than ours. We had harsher lockdowns and more mandates.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No we wouldn't. You're the one pedding the fear.

This virus doesn't kill you unless your very sick or very old. We did have a perfect option ... we just thought we could beat science.

But nobody listened to the science. Instead we pretend to by wearing masks and thinking that matters. Tell that to Europe right now.

This could be applied to so many parts of our country's history.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Neil Ferguson, is that you?



No one knows what the outcome would have been if we treated this virus the same as every, other virus out there. However, if the media, "experts" and "leaders" spent time teaching us about the virus and not pushing fear, I'd be curious where we'd be, as well.



Sweden did virtually nothing, and their death rate per million is less than ours. We had harsher lockdowns and more mandates.

No one knows? Okay, I guess literally that's true. But it's pretty ridiculous to assume we can't make educated guesses.

Let's get the smartest mfers we can find, stick em in a room, and let them guide us. Or, we can ignore the people we already had in place for that and instead just wing it. Excellent.

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[packman80]

Ok this should make anyone laugh.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No one knows? Okay, I guess literally that's true. But it's pretty ridiculous to assume we can't make educated guesses.

Let's get the smartest mfers we can find, stick em in a room, and let them guide us. Or, we can ignore the people we already had in place for that and instead just wing it. Excellent.

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You keep saying "we" like the US is doing it wrong.

Which country should we have modeled our response after? Which one do you think is doing it right?

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by packman80

Ok this should make anyone laugh.

That was hilarious

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

This could be applied to so many parts of our country's history.

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238 years ago we froze and starved in order to defeat the largest military force on earth in order to build a free nation...

And you surrendered it because you're afraid of a recession.

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[Jgil316]

The leadership of the USA was non-existent. There was no plan for testing or information. The only plan was to have Governors navigate so that the administration could claim any failures upon individual states.
As we are well aware, the POTUS knew the what and how of this virus but chose (and I can not for the life of me understand why) to communicate the exact opposite.
Here we sit, 220,000 dead (at least), segments of our population believing the virus is a hoax, segments believing in herd immunity, segments believing mask do not work and so forth.

Let's go back to that fateful day: January 20, 2020
On that day was the first recorded case of Covid in the USA
That same day was also the first recorded case of Covid in South Korea

S Korea is less than 900 miles from Mainland China
USA is approx 3800+ miles from Mainland China

In a population of 51 million, S Korea has:
Infections: 26,000
Deaths: 457

In a population of 331 million, USA has:
Infections: 8,831,000
Deaths: 230,000

Source of the above information: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

S Korea is on track to be the 2nd best major economy in the covid era:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/16...korea-success/


Leadership is essential during a crisis. The current administration failed on nearly every level and we the people are paying the price, economically, mentally and with our lives.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You keep saying "we" like the US is doing it wrong.



Which country should we have modeled our response after? Which one do you think is doing it right?

We shouldn't model after anyone. They should model after us. Sadly, nobody wanted to follow our lead on this one.

Americans lead the way. At least we used to.

Yes, we are doing it wrong. Isn't that obvious? Do you not agree? If we are doing it right, why do you whine every day about it?

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

We shouldn't model after anyone. They should model after us. Sadly, nobody wanted to follow our lead on this one.

Americans lead the way. At least we used to.

Yes, we are doing it wrong. Isn't that obvious? Do you not agree? If we are doing it right, why do you whine every day about it?

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No, I don't. I whine about what some states are doing; not all of them. The NY's, CA's, NJ's of the world are crippling themselves; while the FL's, GA's, SD's of the world are doing it right. Took a little while to get here, but there are certainly smart states and dumb states.

But since you believe we're doing it wrong, I can't wait to hear how you would do it differently (or would have). There's plenty of countries who probably did exactly what you wanted done, we should check them out to see the effectiveness of the idea.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by discostu

You seriously thought that this was something appropriate to link here? Seriously?

A Hunter Biden sex tape, completely unrelated to anything political.

Talk about craving something damning.

This is America.

So weird.

Bud, you don’t have to watch it.

Conservatives and bad Guliani aren’t making this up.

Neither are they making up the corruption that our democratic presidential nominee is legitimately involved in.

Nor the under age Pedo activity that he is involved in.

The point is you have to do your own research and stop visually spoon feeding yourself MSM.

The media won’t even acknowledge these facts against a presidential candidate and his family,
When if it was the Trump family, you would be doing the same thing I did, except maliciously.

I’m creating awareness, I can’t help that he is a pervert drug abused and couldn’t have prevented the crimes his father has committed.

Wake up.


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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

The leadership of the USA was non-existent. There was no plan for testing or information. The only plan was to have Governors navigate so that the administration could claim any failures upon individual states.
As we are well aware, the POTUS knew what and how of this virus but chose (and I can not for the life of me understand why) to communicate the exact opposite.
Here we sit, 220,000 dead (at least), segments of our population believing the virus is a hoax, segments believing in herd immunity, segments believing mask do not work and so forth.

Let's go back to that fateful day: January 20, 2020
On that day was the first recorded case of Covid in the USA
That same day was also the first recorded case of Covid in South Koea

S Korea is less than 900 miles from Mainland China
USA is approx 3800+ miles from Mainland China

In a population of 51 million, S Korea has:
Infections: 26,000
Deaths: 457

In a population of 331 million, USA has:
Infections: 8,831,000
Deaths: 230,000

Source of the above information: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

S Korea is on track to be the 2nd best major economy in the covid era:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/16...korea-success/


Leadership is essential during a crisis. The current administration failed on nearly every level and we the people are paying the price, economically, mentally and with our lives.

This I disagree with. I hold governors to the same standard as Trump. They are not cooperating at all with them and have completely different plans. Trump said, "hey if NY want's to go into lockdown so be it". Whatever he says, the dems would just do the opposite. That's polarization at it's finest. I actually agree it should be up to the states since the governor should know its state better than anyone else.

My biggest issue with Trump about this pandemic is the lack of seriousness about it. He doesn't set a good example to the American people about wearing a mask and acts like it's the flu.

That being said, how NY and IA should operate are completely different even with the severity of COVID

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, I don't. I whine about what some states are doing; not all of them. The NY's, CA's, NJ's of the world are crippling themselves; while the FL's, GA's, SD's of the world are doing it right. Took a little while to get here, but there are certainly smart states and dumb states.



But since you believe we're doing it wrong, I can't wait to hear how you would do it differently (or would have). There's plenty of countries who probably did exactly what you wanted done, we should check them out to see the effectiveness of the idea.

Well, we could start with S Korea or New Zealand if we wanted to, but I already said what I would've done.

I would've got the smartest mfers I can find, put them in a room, and then listen to them. We did the first two but not the third.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'll have to disagree with this one a little. While I'll agree if the parents are the reason the child feels they need drugs to cop I could see the argument. I'll have to say from what I've seen, some people just fall into the wrong crowd and there's not much you can do after that. I believe in personal accountability and I think some people have difficulty saying no in tough situations. The problem is once you're hooked, you're hooked. I feel like most people at least know one person where you wonder how they could've fell off so hard. Sometimes it is the parents, I would disagree it's always though.

If drug addiction was the only issue being outlined, then I’d agree and I’d be more sympathetic to the Biden family. Losing a mother, two siblings, the daily rigors of having a politician for a father, the corruptness around you (a given in politics, it seems)... all could easily lead one to drugs. But couple that with everything else described and it’s just part of the recipe, not the main ingredient.

Granted, I haven’t dug into this, but if even half of it is true, Joe is a colossal failure of a household leader. Trump is a scumbag in his own right, but we’re setting a low bar if we’re going tit for tat on personal character issues between Trump and Biden.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

238 years ago we froze and starved in order to defeat the largest military force on earth in order to build a free nation...

And you surrendered it because you're afraid of a recession.

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I typically enjoy your posts, but this one doesn't make any sense.

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[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

The bolded is why this can't be true.

Why would they be "coming"? Why are they not here? If Trump or Rudy had stuff like that, you think they'd sit on it? C'mon. They want dumb people to fill in the blanks. And some will do it.

Pfffft.

Yeah, I've got earth-shattering evidence. I'll give it to you in a few days maybe. No, you can't see it now, but trust me...it's big!

C'mon.

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Paper thin 1D mental argument here, had they let this out earlier 2 things would happen,

1. Media wouldn’t cover it just as they are doing now and it would lose its effect with possible swing voters.

2. This puts social media on blast for censoring information that Americans should have access to and brings out their hypocrisy of interfering with politics to the point you are even saying what you say.


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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, I don't. I whine about what some states are doing; not all of them. The NY's, CA's, NJ's of the world are crippling themselves; while the FL's, GA's, SD's of the world are doing it right. Took a little while to get here, but there are certainly smart states and dumb states.

But since you believe we're doing it wrong, I can't wait to hear how you would do it differently (or would have). There's plenty of countries who probably did exactly what you wanted done, we should check them out to see the effectiveness of the idea.

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

16 of the worst 19 states via unemployment are run by democratic governors. Pretty impressive considering there are more republican governors in the U.S. than democratic ones.

Try to lock down the economy and you just kill more people and send more people out of work. These states on the bottom aren't saving lives either, they have some of the worst U.S. death rates too. Double threat.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well, we could start with S Korea or New Zealand if we wanted to, but I already said what I would've done.

I would've got the smartest mfers I can find, put them in a room, and then listen to them. We did the first two but not the third.

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LOL, yes of course. The island w/ 5 million people. We should have done that!

You should check their GDP. They got clobbered much greater than we did second and third quarters.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I typically enjoy your posts, but this one doesn't make any sense.

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No, it does not. That was the point. The meme made no sense either. It was just the silly spewings of a disturbed, triggered individual...probably made in-between paintball sessions out in the woods as his cronies patted him on the back and called him "Sgt-at-arms".

How you feel about my post is how I felt about yours. Backatcha.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Aaron Burr was a catalyst to changing the way it was done. Burr later killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. I think we’ve moved on far enough that we don’t need duels anymore or the 12th Amendment.

Or maybe dueling is the way to go.

Also I forgot to mention in the 1800s election, 4 people ran. Two Federalist and Two Democratic Republicans. People assumed that the top two people voted for would be from the same party which is why everyone assumed there wouldn't be a problem. I don't even think in the 1800s they thought it would be a good idea to have two opposite parties in the white house. They just assumed it wouldn't happen.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

LOL, yes of course. The island w/ 5 million people. We should have done that!

You should check their GDP. They got clobbered much greater than we did second and third quarters.

So?

Are you afraid of losing a couple bucks? Would you sacrifice a few bucks to save your neighbor?

Why are you so afraid of a recession?

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

Bud, you don’t have to watch it.

Conservatives and bad Guliani aren’t making this up.

Neither are they making up the corruption that our democratic presidential nominee is legitimately involved in.

Nor the under age Pedo activity that he is involved in.

The point is you have to do your own research and stop visually spoon feeding yourself MSM.

The media won’t even acknowledge these facts against a presidential candidate and his family,
When if it was the Trump family, you would be doing the same thing I did, except maliciously.

I’m creating awareness, I can’t help that he is a pervert drug abused and couldn’t have prevented the crimes his father has committed.

Wake up.


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You are most certainly not "creating awareness."

Please don't confuse yourself.