2020 Topps Ginter X

[Comix Guy]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Exactly, this is different than Finest Flashbacks which blew up despite having no guaranteed auto. This is essentially a box of base cards on black paper of a set that is already widely distributed. No rip cards, many of the insert sets do not exist in this, completely different animal and I hope Topps understands that.

Some people will say, even if it is $150 I bet I could flip it for $200...but those people are the reason pricing is so high right now to begin with. If people could maybe control themselves and NOT buy something that is overpriced, we wouldn't be in this bloated wax market.

But we know it will all sell out anyways even if autos are 1 in every 4 boxes and the price is $200 a box, so Topps might as well price it as such. I just will not partake.

Do people really do this?

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Exactly, this is different than Finest Flashbacks which blew up despite having no guaranteed auto. This is essentially a box of base cards on black paper of a set that is already widely distributed. No rip cards, many of the insert sets do not exist in this, completely different animal and I hope Topps understands that.

Some people will say, even if it is $150 I bet I could flip it for $200...but those people are the reason pricing is so high right now to begin with. If people could maybe control themselves and NOT buy something that is overpriced, we wouldn't be in this bloated wax market.

But we know it will all sell out anyways even if autos are 1 in every 4 boxes and the price is $200 a box, so Topps might as well price it as such. I just will not partake.

I love ginter

But 1 auto then one mini to 5 or 1 in most boxes

I’m sure boxes will be 200-300

But it will be brutal at that price

I will not touch it

I would rather buy hobby at 90 a box

[sandlotsportcards]

I'll probably buy if it's around $100 but if this is like $150 or more I'm probably going to pass.

[joecarterfan]

We thinking tomorrow or Friday for non-MC members?

[fenwaykid]

I’ve opened plenty of cases of Ginter X...is this is over $200 a box it’s a pass. The value is just not there. The red /5 and silver /1 minis do not sell well at all.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by sandlotsportcards

I'll probably buy if it's around $100 but if this is like $150 or more I'm probably going to pass.

This is pretty much where I’m at also. I really enjoy ripping ginter but anything over 100 and I’m out.

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by Comix Guy

Do people really do this?

I won't lie, I did that with 2020 TC Sapphire. However that was the exception, not the rule for me. With Ginger X being only 1 box, I don't know if I'd keep that mentality for it.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Exactly, this is different than Finest Flashbacks which blew up despite having no guaranteed auto. This is essentially a box of base cards on black paper of a set that is already widely distributed. No rip cards, many of the insert sets do not exist in this, completely different animal and I hope Topps understands that.

Some people will say, even if it is $150 I bet I could flip it for $200...but those people are the reason pricing is so high right now to begin with. If people could maybe control themselves and NOT buy something that is overpriced, we wouldn't be in this bloated wax market.

But we know it will all sell out anyways even if autos are 1 in every 4 boxes and the price is $200 a box, so Topps might as well price it as such. I just will not partake.

The flippers aren't the problem. The secondary buyers are. Without them, there are no flippers. Maybe that's what you're saying.

I agree - regardless of how high Topps prices this, it will still sell out and be flipped.

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by fenwaykid

I’ve opened plenty of cases of Ginter X...is this is over $200 a box it’s a pass. The value is just not there. The red /5 and silver /1 minis do not sell well at all.

Many of the framed autos don't sell as well either. There are some good ones to hit this year though.

[Asian62150]

Card companies should really be careful about trying to max out profits with every new release. It is easy to make money when the market is hot.

The sports card market isn't always going to be this way and constantly coming out with higher priced items is going to quicken the downturn.

$50 for 2019 TC Sapphire and $55 for Finest Flashback were fair price points. I'm sure Topps was still making plenty of money at those prices and consumers that were ripping enjoyed it. Win-Win.

$150+ for Ginter X is really just a win for Topps, not for MC members/consumers. That price will encourage more people to buy to hold or buy to resell. Less people will buy just to rip. And long term, that will really hurt the market.

[beauspencer]

$50 for 2019 TC Sapphire and $55 for Finest Flashback were fair price points.

I wouldn't say fair, when they sell for 6X on the secondary market. The $300 price tag on Sapphire this year was "fair" for all parties. Topps charged market value for a product. There's even still a little meat on the bone for the flippers to make a small profit.

[belikemike]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

They need to edit the checklist, the last 10 pages just lists team names, no player names

Its the second column from the first page...and so on...

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

The flippers aren't the problem. The secondary buyers are. Without them, there are no flippers. Maybe that's what you're saying.

I agree - regardless of how high Topps prices this, it will still sell out and be flipped.

That was exactly what I was saying. Just because something exists, people feel the need to buy it. Control yourselves, don't overpay the bloated pricing. You'll live not buying overpriced Ginter X from these flippers.

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by sandlotsportcards

I'll probably buy if it's around $100 but if this is like $150 or more I'm probably going to pass.

Originally Posted by fenwaykid

I’ve opened plenty of cases of Ginter X...is this is over $200 a box it’s a pass. The value is just not there. The red /5 and silver /1 minis do not sell well at all.

@Topps: Split the difference, please. $125-$150 without guaranteed autographs is much better for single-box limits, and will keep collectors somewhat happy with a "down to earth" from where TC Sapphire and TC Ben Baller were...

Sincerely, a Ginter X fan

[Ctjwa]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

The flippers aren't the problem. The secondary buyers are. Without them, there are no flippers. Maybe that's what you're saying.

I agree - regardless of how high Topps prices this, it will still sell out and be flipped.

Of course flippers are the problem. They add zero value and inflate the price. What you’re arguing is that if people don’t buy it, the flippers will go away, and people will be able to buy it at original retail price... which is exactly what would happen if flippers didn’t exist in the first place. Don’t blame a hobby guy for buying product he wants but has no other way to get it because flippers buy it all first.

The easiest way Topps could fix this is to sell unsealed boxes that wouldn’t be trusted on the secondary market.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by Jamesebee

@Topps: Split the difference, please. $125-$150 without guaranteed autographs is much better for single-box limits, and will keep collectors somewhat happy with a "down to earth" from where TC Sapphire and TC Ben Baller were...

Sincerely, a Ginter X fan

$125 - 150 without autos is still too high. That's not splitting the difference, that's inflating the price.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by Ctjwa

Of course flippers are the problem. They add zero value and inflate the price. What you’re arguing is that if people don’t buy it, the flippers will go away, and people will be able to buy it at original retail price... which is exactly what would happen if flippers didn’t exist in the first place. Don’t blame a hobby guy for buying product he wants but has no other way to get it because flippers buy it all first.

The easiest way Topps could fix this is to sell unsealed boxes that wouldn’t be trusted on the secondary market.

Flippers don't inflate the price. It's demand from secondary buyers. If that demand wasn't there, the prices wouldn't be inflated. Simple economics. The way for Topps to fix it would be for Topps to charge market-clearing prices. Then there wouldn'be be flippers. But as you can see on here, everyone cries about that. You can't have below-market prices free of participants (i.e., flippers) who are trying to exploit that gap. That's supply and demand.

Topps could use the reverse Dutch auction format, which allows for perfect price discrimination. Everyone pays what the product is worth to them. That's the best solution. I'm sure people would freak out about that too for some reason. People only want to pay less for a product than it's worth, but then they get mad if someone else (i.e., flippers) does that. I don't get it.

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

$125 - 150 without autos is still too high. That's not splitting the difference, that's inflating the price.

I agree with you on inflating the price. I think the price difference is subjective, though. I think I meant it more in the context of raffle-based releases and the increases we've seen. More specifically, we've seen two 2020 releases in particular without guaranteed autographs (Finest Flashbacks @ $55, Ben Baller @ $250), and previous Ginter X releases for context (I believe they were originally $60-$70, with a guaranteed autograph through last year's release).

Landing it somewhere between last year's Ginter X price and Ben Baller seems likely-the only question from most people's perspective is where that ends up. Most would be happy with a price between $100-200, but some people-Ginter X fans like myself-might be okay with a more significant increase even if the autograph odds aren't guaranteed...

[yrocks2001]

I have a hard time believing it will be more than $100 without a guaranteed auto and $150 with one. I love Ginter but this is not the most amazing product.

[gamboooler]

Wouldn't be the worst thing for them to price it too high and have it flop. They've been pushing the envelope for a while now. This is a selfish POV though, since I'm not terribly interested in one box of X. Easy to sacrifice this one for more reasonable pricing on other offerings.

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by gamboooler

Wouldn't be the worst thing for them to price it too high and have it flop. They've been pushing the envelope for a while now. This is a selfish POV though, since I'm not terribly interested in one box of X. Easy to sacrifice this one for more reasonable pricing on other offerings.

I agree

[dodgerfanjohn]

I keep refreshing this thread, partially with dread as, like others, won’t pay more than $125-150 a box, if composed as in the past.

[fsu2007]

so they are up and $99.99. 1 auto a box

[bchynoweth]

Bingo bango, one coming to me!

[Chris Cards]

Its live and its 99.99.