2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't understand this pattern of attack.

399 out of every 400 people who get this virus, live. It makes little sense to me why you all have suddenly latched onto the "only the well off survive!"

399 out of every 400.

For me it has nothing to do with him dying. He’s not even off treatment yet and he’s still at risk for spreading the disease. He won’t self isolate Christ he can’t even go three days without doing photo ops and making them drive him around the block. My issue is 100% with his lack of giving a sh$t about about anyone other than himself. Even after going through this

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

4 or 5

I would've said 3.

Yeah, I think it could've been better, could've been worse.

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[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

“Don’t be afraid of Covid,” Trump says, while in quarantine, in a hospital he was airlifted to, and been in for the last four days, where he needed to be hooked up to oxygen, and is taking experimental medicine, because there is no vaccine, cure or therapeutic. Nothing to fear...

The irony is fantastic for sure.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Locoduck

truth hurts and this is not a second account. I JUST DESTROYED YOU TODAY!!!!!!!!!

Lower case letter to start a sentence, emojis, lame insults.....there are so many accounts like this on the left that it’s hard to nail down who it is.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

For me it has nothing to do with him dying. He’s not even off treatment yet and he’s still at risk for spreading the disease. He won’t self isolate Christ he can’t even go three days without doing photo ops and making them drive him around the block. My issue is 100% with his lack of giving a sh$t about about anyone other than himself. Even after going through this

Going through what?

You understand that's the point yes? He wants to show that this is nothing and that it is not as scary as many believe. That has been his line from day one and it's a line I absolutely believe as well. Don't be afraid of this; if you get it, you're going to be fine.

It's not that he doesn't care (or I for that matter) about others. I simply believe the math shows this is not something to care about for the vast majority of the population.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Clark

Opportunity is all anyone can ask. No barriers should exist, and I believe that is the case in 2020 Canada/USA.



No, I didn't take your comment as a "toot my own horn". I read it for what it was. A person with odds stacked against them, which they overcome.

Again, thank you.

Someone said to me a long time ago, "You'd be surprised what you can do when you have no choice". It's funny how things stick in your mind. That person was right, at least for me.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The irony is fantastic for sure.

Again, I don't understand the irony.

Almost everyone recovers. You can find millions of Americans who have had the same experience as Trump as it relates to the timeline / recovery. It's not a rare event... it's the norm.

[Locoduck]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Lower case letter to start a sentence, emojis, lame insults.....there are so many accounts like this on the left that it’s hard to nail down who it is.

Life is hard.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Locoduck

Life is hard.

You win the internetz today.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Again, thank you.

Someone said to me a long time ago, "You'd be surprised what you can do when you have no choice". It's funny how things stick in your mind. That person was right, at least for me.

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.Number 3 on your poll for me.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Going through what?

You understand that's the point yes? He wants to show that this is nothing and that it is not as scary as many believe. That has been his line from day one and it's a line I absolutely believe as well. Don't be afraid of this; if you get it, you're going to be fine.

It's not that he doesn't care (or I for that matter) about others. I simply believe the math shows this is not something to care about for the vast majority of the population.

It’s not nothing. No matter how bad you want to close your eyes and get on with your life it’s not nothing. People have FaceTimed with their family before they died bc they couldn’t see them. People can’t be in the same room as loved ones as they waste way with this. Telling people it’s not nothing is not only offensive it’s just stupid. And yes protests were stupid before you throw that comparison at me. People are trying to follow what they feel as an obligation to not put others at risk and telling them that’s silly or weak is insulting. We still have 40,000 cases a day. We’re almost back up to 1000 people a day dying. It’s completely embarrassing to me that we stick our chests out and try to tell the rest of the world to follow us because we can lead. We can’t lead at anything other than arrogance and stupidity.

Now I’m logging off for the day so feel free to pile on at how lame I am.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I wish I could start a poll on Trump's Covid response.

1) He did everything right. He made the perfect decision at the perfect moment every step of the way.

2) He did as well as could be expected and probably better than most would've. Can't blame him.

3) He did okay. Could've been much better, but it was a tough job. Some blame but not much.

4) He bungled it and cost a bunch of lives. Most intelligent people could've done much better. Lots of blame.

5) He absolutely screwed everything up. He probably made this worse. A ham sandwich would've done a better job.

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3. He got dealt a bad hand. We all did. It's an unfortunate thing that happened, and we have to get through it. That's it, that's all. I think 1 is impossible to achieve. I'm not sure I'd give anyone a 5, even Cuomo... he'd get a 4.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Again, I don't understand the irony.

Almost everyone recovers. You can find millions of Americans who have had the same experience as Trump as it relates to the timeline / recovery. It's not a rare event... it's the norm.

How many Presidents have been hospitalized from a virus? Does not seem that normal to me.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't understand this pattern of attack.

399 out of every 400 people who get this virus, live. It makes little sense to me why you all have suddenly latched onto the "only the well off survive!"

399 out of every 400.

Yes 399 of 400 with exceptional health care will live....lets compare your numbers to Detroit & Houston.

[Wade Mulroy]

I think 3 is the correct option.

Here's a couple other quotes that I don't recall seeing in this thread

March 26, the World Health Organization tweeted: “If you do not have any respiratory symptoms, such as fever, cough, or runny nose, you do not need to wear a medical mask. When used alone, masks can give you a false feeling of protection and can even be a source of infection when not used correctly.”

Edit - removed the second quote because it was a bit confusing.

[Locoduck]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You win the internetz today.

For real???? Thanks man!!!!!

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Locoduck

For real???? Thanks man!!!!!

Go enjoy another cookie, you deserve it!

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I wish I could start a poll on Trump's Covid response.

1) He did everything right. He made the perfect decision at the perfect moment every step of the way.

2) He did as well as could be expected and probably better than most would've. Can't blame him.

3) He did okay. Could've been much better, but it was a tough job. Some blame but not much.

4) He bungled it and cost a bunch of lives. Most intelligent people could've done much better. Lots of blame.

5) He absolutely screwed everything up. He probably made this worse. A ham sandwich would've done a better job.

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Closer to a 3 than a 4.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

It’s not nothing. No matter how bad you want to close your eyes and get on with your life it’s not nothing. People have FaceTimed with their family before they died bc they couldn’t see them. People can’t be in the same room as loved ones as they waste way with this. Telling people it’s not nothing is not only offensive it’s just stupid. And yes protests were stupid before you throw that comparison at me. People are trying to follow what they feel as an obligation to not put others at risk and telling them that’s silly or weak is insulting. We still have 40,000 cases a day. We’re almost back up to 1000 people a day dying. It’s completely embarrassing to me that we stick our chests out and try to tell the rest of the world to follow us because we can lead. We can’t lead at anything other than arrogance and stupidity. WelI guess we can lead at killing middle eastern people.

Now I’m logging off for the day so feel free to pile on at how lame I am.

There's a whole lotta tangents in here but I'm going to stick with the idea that the virus is nothing.

I never said that having people die alone and/or the other terrible consequences stemming from this virus are nothing. I find the decisions made by most involved to be downright pathetic; so much more hard has been caused than was necessary. But that does not change the fact that this virus' claim to fame is not that it is lethal, but that it is contagious. And we continue to try to prevent the spread... like morons.

Getting this virus is not ideal but it's also not a big deal. That we have idolized it as some sort of death guarantee has scared so many people into a world of irrationality; it will be hard to overcome. Again I say, if you contract the virus, you have a 399/400 chance of survival simply on a random draw of population. And chances are someone in that group of 400 is much more likely to pass away than you.

From the beginning, our strategy was wrong. It's still wrong. And unfortunately, we may never have a chance to undo the things already done to so many. But to pretend that we should be scared of something as inefficient as COVID is to deny SCIENCE!

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mike1498

My guess is a more efficient supply chains and less barriers to enter than before. While I'll admit I don't know the history of why manufacturing wasn't always in China, if I had to guess without researching it, that would be my guess. I'm sure there has to be an answer but my guess is that wouldn't help your case.

Nope. Supply chains were all well established prior to normalization of Chinese trade policy in 2000, signed by Clinton. Prior to the US-China relations act of 2000, we used tariffs to protect domestic production. Following that devastating policy, 60k factories left and millions of jobs inside of a decade.

I will concede the point to you that we cannot compete with China playing by the rules of today. The rules we wrote ourselves. I am simply saying they need to change.

[jdandns]

Leaked footage showing how the President spent the last few days:



He'll shortly be back to work, though, making up for lost time.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Yes 399 of 400 with exceptional health care will live....lets compare your numbers to Detroit & Houston.

No.

399 out of 400. Health care be dammed, that's the IFR for this virus.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

I think 3 is the correct option.

Here's a couple other quotes that I don't recall seeing in this thread

March 26, the World Health Organization tweeted: “If you do not have any respiratory symptoms, such as fever, cough, or runny nose, you do not need to wear a medical mask. When used alone, masks can give you a false feeling of protection and can even be a source of infection when not used correctly.”

NBC host Chuck Todd asked former Vice President Joe Biden, “Do you think there is blood on the president’s hands, considering the slow response? Or is that too harsh of a criticism?”

Even Biden called the criticism a “little too harsh.”

“A little too harsh”? Trump, neither a doctor nor a scientist, merely followed the advice given him from his medical experts. The problem is that a lot of the advice was vague, inconsistent, contradictory or flat-out wrong.

Biden criticized Trump as xenophobic regarding the border. The WHO maintained that country border closures was not advised.

The WHO was more concerned with the economic impact on Asian countries shipping their junk, than you or me.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pac213up

How many Presidents have been hospitalized from a virus? Does not seem that normal to me.

How does that have any relevance? The point everyone tried to make w/ their speech about helicopters and drugs is that the President is shrugging this off because he has world class heath care.

And yet, almost every American is able to shrug off this virus without those things. 99.74% of them. So I don't understand why that has any bearing on anything. World class health care, or bronze level Obamacare... you're going to be fine.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

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And yet, almost every American is able to shrug off this virus without those things. 99.74% of them. So I don't understand why that has any bearing on anything. World class health care, or bronze level Obamacare... you're going to be fine.

200,000 families might disagree with you.

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